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Poll: Do you agree with the NRA that U.S. schools have armed guards?

There are 16 comments on the MLive.com story from Dec 23, 2012, titled Poll: Do you agree with the NRA that U.S. schools have armed guards?. In it, MLive.com reports that:

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rob is right

Seattle, WA

#1 Dec 23, 2012
they should have a select group of individuals who are armed and are there protecting our children if we kept them low key and under cover we wouldn't have to worry about students getting a hold of weapons instead of attacking guns in general they should make it a requirement to take a basic gun class and a mental eval test to prevent the real nuts from getting a hold of what there not suppose to why punish all the non felons and law abiding citizens of this country because some nut case stole his moms firearms why not make it a requirement to own a gun safe?

“Pompous pontificator”

Since: Jun 08

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#2 Dec 23, 2012
We pay men with guns to protect cash. We have boatloads of money to pay THOUSANDS of TSA agents to grope and annoy us with no demonstrable benefit.

It's a no-brain-er that we can and should train and equip armed individuals to guard our children in gun-free zones. And even further, select staff should be able to qualify and carry too, if-not ALL those with state issued concealed carry permits. THIS is something that can be instituted in a matter of weeks, if-not sooner. All it needs is a stroke of a pen. The more difficult approaches can be studied and instituted as they are ready to adopt.

Since: Feb 09

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#3 Dec 23, 2012
It works in Israel

Since: Feb 09

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#4 Dec 23, 2012
I was wrong the guards in Israel are armed..
Neil Abercrombie

Dallas, TX

#5 Dec 23, 2012
...and armed guards in Walmart, your church, sporting events, city parks, the bowling alley, etc. etc. etc. etc.
Eventually in front of your house.

“Pompous pontificator”

Since: Jun 08

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#6 Dec 23, 2012
Neil Abercrombie wrote:
...and armed guards in Walmart, your church, sporting events, city parks, the bowling alley, etc. etc. etc. etc.
Eventually in front of your house.
Naaa, don't need one in front of my house. However, If I had a kid in any school, I'd welcome a responsible person safeguarding him. American parents have become so lazy and trusting. Once you shove your kid out the car door at school, you place him/her in the hands of others. Then when something horrible happens, you have everybody to blame except yourself. You think nothing of bank guards, security guards and police being armed...and for what; to safeguard money and assets. What MORE-important 'asset' is there than you child?

Cops and security guards put on their pants the same as us. And most cops these days are marginally trained in the use of firearms; they are just a tool of the job. Most firearms affectionados/sportsmen are better trained and more experienced that any NYC cop. And I would have no fear of having one or more at my child's school after special training and other screening. Specialize equipment and techniques can be used to minimise collateral damage in the event of an emergency situation. And facing fire with immediate fire will save lives. Wouldn't it be better to have some/no casualties than dozens? When you need help now, you don't have the luxury of waiting for a police response.
Neil Abercrombie

Dallas, TX

#7 Dec 23, 2012
Bubbletoes wrote:
<quoted text>
...If I had a kid in any school, I'd welcome a responsible person safeguarding him.
Fair enough but not another TSA style bureaucracy. Maybe volunteers, retired military or police officers. No more government agencies.

“Pompous pontificator”

Since: Jun 08

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#8 Dec 23, 2012
Neil Abercrombie wrote:
<quoted text>Fair enough but not another TSA style bureaucracy. Maybe volunteers, retired military or police officers. No more government agencies.
See, there IS some common ground; I wholeheartedly agree that there is a vast pool of qualified people available from the ranks of professional retirees and others as you mentioned. And I surely did not intend to imply another TSA type situation would be acceptable...FAR from it. Nobody should be able to perform this operation except sworn, special officers such as you suggest.

Since: Jan 09

Brooklyn, NY

#9 Dec 23, 2012
My big problem with the NRA is they are taking credit for an idea that they did not conceive of. According to an April 16, 2000 LA Times article at http://articles.latimes.com/2000/apr/16/news/... that credit belongs to:

"WASHINGTON Marking the first anniversary of the shooting deaths at Columbine High School, President Clinton announced $120 million in new federal grants Saturday to place more police officers in schools and help even the youngest kids cope with their problems."

Tell everyone who is against the idea now that then President Bill Clinton came up with the idea and I wonder what the response will be. Brilliant? Magnificent?

“Pompous pontificator”

Since: Jun 08

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#10 Dec 23, 2012
Zzznorch wrote:
"WASHINGTON Marking the first anniversary of the shooting deaths at Columbine High School, President Clinton announced $120 million in new federal grants Saturday to place more police officers in schools and help even the youngest kids cope with their problems."
Tell everyone who is against the idea now that then President Bill Clinton came up with the idea and I wonder what the response will be. Brilliant? Magnificent?
Reminds me of the last election when Howard Stern sent interviews on the street to talk with Black people about President Obama's platform for his second term. They gave the ideas resounding accolades. BUT, the ideas attributed to Obama were actually Mitt Romney's.

So, whether an idea is good or bad seems to depend on who is claiming the idea, not the actual merits. It's the same for the gun debate. People are more aligned with WHO or what 'camp' is championing an idea, rather that if the idea will be worthwhile. The NRA haters don't know, or don't care that it trains many police agencies, has ALWAYS espoused safe handling of firearms, including educating children about the potential dangers of mishandling them, and has been an advocate for strict enforcement of the myriad gun laws already on the books. Guns protecting children is a good idea....and that's a fact that individuals who employ independent, critical thinking can grasp.
The Gun Guy

Red Lion, PA

#12 Dec 24, 2012
Could be viable, but...
with something like 137,000 schools (that figure may include "higher education" facilities) the financial burden would be significant.(Yes, I know about the "if it saves one life" argument.) Further, should children be protected in transit? Imagine adding a guard on -every- school bus. Should crossing guards be armed? Also, to mitigate costs, schools that DO have an armed security guard often assign him/her other duties to justify the expense. And... look at the sheer size of some of these schools! How effectively could one person be "in the right place" when needed. Many of the perpetrators of school violence seem unconcerned with being killed themselves (unless it deters their plan) to the extent they commit suicide. Maybe the Israelies have the answer; they arm the teachers! What might have been the outcome if the brave principal at Sandy Hook Elementary had been armed and trained? Yes, "adjudicated mentally ill" will block a firearms purchase, but, Adam Lanza (the shooter) didn't -buy- the guns (matter of fact, as just 20 years old, he would be barred from handgun purchases by NICS), he STOLE them from his mother after killing her. Undoubtedly, there are many problems with our "society." Anyone who believes banning guns, or guns with a specific appearance, or magazines that hold X+1 cartridges or the cartridges themselves, is foolish. Our -society- has changed... for the worse. No knee-jerk reaction will solve that problem.
Sean Livingstone

Lawrence, KS

#13 Dec 25, 2012
Bonhomme Richard wrote:
It works in Israel
Isn't this your greatest fear? A police state? NRA just wants to all more guns.... profitability...
Marauder

Anchorage, AK

#14 Dec 25, 2012
Neil Abercrombie wrote:
...and armed guards in Walmart, your church, sporting events, city parks, the bowling alley, etc. etc. etc. etc.
Eventually in front of your house.
Nah...that's alright...I carry my own.
Marauder

Anchorage, AK

#15 Dec 25, 2012
Neil Abercrombie wrote:
<quoted text>Fair enough but not another TSA style bureaucracy. Maybe volunteers, retired military or police officers. No more government agencies.
Here's a thought...eliminate ALL "gun free zones"...and allow Constitutional carry. Those that choose to carry, that would normally anyway, and are familiar with their own gun will carry...to include some teachers.

“Pompous pontificator”

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#17 Dec 25, 2012
Jakeco wrote:
Here is something quite ironic.
We have all seen how Oscuma and his cronies have mocked the idea of armed security in our schools.
But, there are 11 well armed, well trained security personnel at the private school his very own children attend.
Oh I'm sorry, guess I forgot there is a different set of rules for the arrogant, condescending elitists presently running the country.
You hit the nail squarely on-da-head.
If any of those so-called journalists who attend news briefings would have the balls to ask about this, I'd eat my shorts.

Speaking of irony. The British empire has royalty and a Prime minister. The Prime Minister has to think on his feet and come up with quick answers at Parliament...and somehow he does it. And by-God they're good answers.
Obama's news briefs are scripted, the reporters ask softball questions, and his highness answers some, gives half-assed answers to some, and ignores others. He is a master of obfuscation. And those bobble-heads let him get-away with it.
So, which side of the pond has a King and Queen? She's another story with all of her ladies in-waiting...but don't get me started.
Rebel with Attitude

Lockhart, TX

#18 Dec 25, 2012
I support it!!

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