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“O'er the land of the free ? ”

Since: Jan 09

Don't Tread On Me

#1 Nov 22, 2012
Here maybe my last hand gun purchase.(credit card)

This is what I have found to be the best semi auto for Florida weather . TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK !

http://xdspistol.com/

“For Home Defense Get A Shotgun”

Since: May 08

York, PA

#2 Nov 22, 2012
Where Is My America wrote:
Here maybe my last hand gun purchase.(credit card)
This is what I have found to be the best semi auto for Florida weather . TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK !
http://xdspistol.com/
I have read mixed reviews. Mostly complaints that the aggressive grips leave "waffle" prints on the hands. I checked one out at a local store and while the grips are a bit harsh, I do not believe the gun is intended to be used at the range all day long. The shop wanted a couple hundred dollars more than for what I have seen them advertised. The salesman said they cannot keep them in stock. I am still debating, so I would be interested in your feedback after you have cycled a couple of hundred rounds or so.

“O'er the land of the free ? ”

Since: Jan 09

Don't Tread On Me

#3 Nov 22, 2012
God Save The Republic wrote:
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I have read mixed reviews. Mostly complaints that the aggressive grips leave "waffle" prints on the hands. I checked one out at a local store and while the grips are a bit harsh, I do not believe the gun is intended to be used at the range all day long. The shop wanted a couple hundred dollars more than for what I have seen them advertised. The salesman said they cannot keep them in stock. I am still debating, so I would be interested in your feedback after you have cycled a couple of hundred rounds or so.
I have not bought it , yet .

They are in short supply but I am not paying more then list or the shop owner can figure out the profit margin as I walk out.
Tray

Belden, MS

#4 Nov 22, 2012
I love the words "Springfield Armory U.S.A." on the right side but the words on the left say "Made in Croatia". Seems like an American company could build products in America. It's not a big deal because I own guns from all parts of the world but it just makes me sad that an American company with a heritage like Springfield would import a foreign gun and then place their name on it. "Made in the U.S.A." is becoming extinct.

“O'er the land of the free ? ”

Since: Jan 09

Don't Tread On Me

#5 Nov 22, 2012
Tray wrote:
I love the words "Springfield Armory U.S.A." on the right side but the words on the left say "Made in Croatia". Seems like an American company could build products in America. It's not a big deal because I own guns from all parts of the world but it just makes me sad that an American company with a heritage like Springfield would import a foreign gun and then place their name on it. "Made in the U.S.A." is becoming extinct.
Well said , I was shocked.

Our tax laws make it advantageous to produce outside the USA and of course Obama is right on that job.

Obama still can't figure out more employment means more tax revenue for him to throw away.

“Why call 911? 1911 is faster”

Since: Feb 08

Wesley Chapel, FL

#6 Nov 25, 2012
God Save The Republic wrote:
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I have read mixed reviews. Mostly complaints that the aggressive grips leave "waffle" prints on the hands. I checked one out at a local store and while the grips are a bit harsh, I do not believe the gun is intended to be used at the range all day long. The shop wanted a couple hundred dollars more than for what I have seen them advertised. The salesman said they cannot keep them in stock. I am still debating, so I would be interested in your feedback after you have cycled a couple of hundred rounds or so.
Waffle imprints on the hand is a weak argument against using a weapon. Any very small and lightweight .45ACP is going to be aggressive on the hand. The key features would be in this case. Is it easily concealable? Is it accurate? Uncomfortable to shoot is irrelevant when defending your life.

I purchased this http://www.kimberamerica.com/1911/aegis-ii/ul... slightly larger than what we’re talking about and it’s only a 9mm. But, I’ve been considering this http://www.kimberamerica.com/1911/super-carry... A year ago I decided only one gun a month. Only a few more days until December.

I’m a big fan of the Kimber. There’s nothing wrong with the XD-S. Tray pointed out it’s made in Croatia, that I don’t like.

“O'er the land of the free ? ”

Since: Jan 09

Don't Tread On Me

#7 Nov 25, 2012
eternal cynic wrote:
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Waffle imprints on the hand is a weak argument against using a weapon. Any very small and lightweight .45ACP is going to be aggressive on the hand. The key features would be in this case. Is it easily concealable? Is it accurate? Uncomfortable to shoot is irrelevant when defending your life.
I purchased this http://www.kimberamerica.com/1911/aegis-ii/ul... slightly larger than what we’re talking about and it’s only a 9mm. But, I’ve been considering this http://www.kimberamerica.com/1911/super-carry... A year ago I decided only one gun a month. Only a few more days until December.
I’m a big fan of the Kimber. There’s nothing wrong with the XD-S. Tray pointed out it’s made in Croatia, that I don’t like.
You don't like Croatia or would prefer all firearms "Made in the USA"?

“Why call 911? 1911 is faster”

Since: Feb 08

Wesley Chapel, FL

#8 Nov 26, 2012
Where Is My America wrote:
<quoted text>You don't like Croatia or would prefer all firearms "Made in the USA"?
The preference would be made in the US.
sid

Chermside, Australia

#9 Nov 29, 2012
Tray wrote:
I love the words "Springfield Armory U.S.A." on the right side but the words on the left say "Made in Croatia". Seems like an American company could build products in America. It's not a big deal because I own guns from all parts of the world but it just makes me sad that an American company with a heritage like Springfield would import a foreign gun and then place their name on it. "Made in the U.S.A." is becoming extinct.
Sound like you fellas are going through the same shit as we are in australia our country has been sold out to asian manufacturing, our manufacturing industries long dead, they call it economic rationalisation, I call it corporate greed. About the only thing left you can buy thats australian made is a meat pie, funny but sad.

“O'er the land of the free ? ”

Since: Jan 09

Don't Tread On Me

#10 Nov 30, 2012
sid wrote:
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Sound like you fellas are going through the same shit as we are in australia our country has been sold out to asian manufacturing, our manufacturing industries long dead, they call it economic rationalisation, I call it corporate greed. About the only thing left you can buy thats australian made is a meat pie, funny but sad.
I don't blame the company if tooling up for one pistol would have made the sales price to high for the market.

It is unusual to see a .45 ACP pistol made in Europe.
sid

Chermside, Australia

#11 Nov 30, 2012
Where Is My America wrote:
<quoted text>I don't blame the company if tooling up for one pistol would have made the sales price to high for the market.
It is unusual to see a .45 ACP pistol made in Europe.
You are probably right about small runs of specific items but in general you can't find anything that used to be made in australia anymore, all chinese or indian now.

“O'er the land of the free ? ”

Since: Jan 09

Don't Tread On Me

#12 Dec 1, 2012
Here is the lowdown :

I found the XDS @ list on the net

XDS 599.99
Shipping 19.99
Credit Card Surcharge 18.60
Transfer at local FFL 40.00

Grand Total I don't want to think about it
When I get time to go to the range I will report back on what I think of it .

Now here is the original "Lowdown"

Tray

Tupelo, MS

#13 Dec 1, 2012
Where Is My America wrote:
<quoted text>You don't like Croatia or would prefer all firearms "Made in the USA"?
My point wasn't Croatia or the U.S. It's just Springfield Armory has a long history of being a U.S. company and U.S. pride. I would rather see it close than stoop to passing off "Made Elsewhere" guns with the U.S.A. stamp on the other side. I have owned a lot of guns made "Elsewhere" and had good quality out of most but many buy U.S. only products because they don't want U.S. dollars sent "elsewhere" and Springfield has just reduced that option.

“O'er the land of the free ? ”

Since: Jan 09

Don't Tread On Me

#14 Dec 1, 2012
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> My point wasn't Croatia or the U.S. It's just Springfield Armory has a long history of being a U.S. company and U.S. pride. I would rather see it close than stoop to passing off "Made Elsewhere" guns with the U.S.A. stamp on the other side. I have owned a lot of guns made "Elsewhere" and had good quality out of most but many buy U.S. only products because they don't want U.S. dollars sent "elsewhere" and Springfield has just reduced that option.
Welcome to America.

You would rather see it close ?

I guess you don't work there.
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#15 Dec 1, 2012
Where Is My America wrote:
<quoted text>Welcome to America.
You would rather see it close ?
I guess you don't work there.
If their not making guns but buying them and putting their name on them then not many people work there anyway. I have never put my name on another man's work or took credit for a product I didn't produce or would I allow my name to go on an inferior product just to sell it or imply that I had anything involved in it's production. I take pride in my work and would close the doors the day I can't back my work with my name. Would you buy a Rolex at Rolex prices then see Made in Mexico on the back, even if it was a perfectly adequate watch? It's probably just me but if I buy an item from a name brand company and pay name brand prices I expect the name brand company to have produced it. Springfield Armory is more than just a company but an American icon and it just saddens me that the day has come when that once great name now puts that name on someone else work.

“O'er the land of the free ? ”

Since: Jan 09

Don't Tread On Me

#16 Dec 1, 2012
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> If their not making guns but buying them and putting their name on them then not many people work there anyway. I have never put my name on another man's work or took credit for a product I didn't produce or would I allow my name to go on an inferior product just to sell it or imply that I had anything involved in it's production. I take pride in my work and would close the doors the day I can't back my work with my name. Would you buy a Rolex at Rolex prices then see Made in Mexico on the back, even if it was a perfectly adequate watch? It's probably just me but if I buy an item from a name brand company and pay name brand prices I expect the name brand company to have produced it. Springfield Armory is more than just a company but an American icon and it just saddens me that the day has come when that once great name now puts that name on someone else work.
I have a 1996 full size 4 wheel drive Chevy 6ft bed , 3 door K1500.

Sound American ?

Made in Canada.

Should I go on.......and........on ?
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#17 Dec 1, 2012
Where Is My America wrote:
<quoted text>I have a 1996 full size 4 wheel drive Chevy 6ft bed , 3 door K1500.
Sound American ?
Made in Canada.
Should I go on.......and........on ?
If it works for you and you have no problem with it then fine. Some things are better from other countries. I have an AK that was built in Russia. My computer says Japan. My Smith and Wesson says U.S.A. I don't want a U.S. made AK or a Russian S&W. My point was Springfield Armory has a 200 year history of providing American made guns and it is just a loss to have them of all companies fall into the dollar is more important than the heritage or pride in American craftsmanship. Do you think Harley Davidson sells more bikes because they make them in Canada? Would the Corvette mean as much if it was made in Mexico? These are symbols not just products to most buyers.

“O'er the land of the free ? ”

Since: Jan 09

Don't Tread On Me

#18 Dec 1, 2012
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> If it works for you and you have no problem with it then fine. Some things are better from other countries. I have an AK that was built in Russia. My computer says Japan. My Smith and Wesson says U.S.A. I don't want a U.S. made AK or a Russian S&W. My point was Springfield Armory has a 200 year history of providing American made guns and it is just a loss to have them of all companies fall into the dollar is more important than the heritage or pride in American craftsmanship. Do you think Harley Davidson sells more bikes because they make them in Canada? Would the Corvette mean as much if it was made in Mexico? These are symbols not just products to most buyers.
I don't disagree in theory.

If I could I would buy everything made in the USA.

I wear New Balance shoes and years ago when I bought my first pair my main reason was they were made in the USA.

Yesterday I just bought two more pair , I have been wearing them for over 20 years , just not the same pair.

Congress through tax laws and trade treaties has sold out America.
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#19 Dec 1, 2012
Where Is My America wrote:
<quoted text>I don't disagree in theory.
If I could I would buy everything made in the USA.
I wear New Balance shoes and years ago when I bought my first pair my main reason was they were made in the USA.
Yesterday I just bought two more pair , I have been wearing them for over 20 years , just not the same pair.
Congress through tax laws and trade treaties has sold out America.
I wonder if we could import a new and better congress.

“Why call 911? 1911 is faster”

Since: Feb 08

Wesley Chapel, FL

#20 Dec 2, 2012
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> If their not making guns but buying them and putting their name on them then not many people work there anyway. I have never put my name on another man's work or took credit for a product I didn't produce or would I allow my name to go on an inferior product just to sell it or imply that I had anything involved in it's production. I take pride in my work and would close the doors the day I can't back my work with my name. Would you buy a Rolex at Rolex prices then see Made in Mexico on the back, even if it was a perfectly adequate watch? It's probably just me but if I buy an item from a name brand company and pay name brand prices I expect the name brand company to have produced it. Springfield Armory is more than just a company but an American icon and it just saddens me that the day has come when that once great name now puts that name on someone else work.
Who said the plant would close if they made the weapons in the US? Assume much?

I always attempt to purchase US made goods. Buying American helps keep jobs here. Not that many years ago nearly everything we purchased was made in the US.

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