Moms make case for gun control

Mar 16, 2013 Full story: usatoday.com 9,283

Peg Paulson had never beaten a path through the halls of Congress before or met a U.S. senator's staffer or advocated for a controversial issue.

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xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#1669 May 13, 2013
Yeah wrote:
<quoted text>That's your claim. But it is part of the series of events, which many of you Zimmerman supporters simply eliminate from any consideration.
Again, too bad you people have such a selective view of events.
What's selective about it? I asked you earlier last week to pinpoint what took place that evening that turned this from self-defense into murder? You never replied back. Apparently, you think this short little foot chase had something to do with it.

I would agree with you had Martin turned around during that chase and strike Zimmerman. That's because Martin had a right to defend himself from somebody who was chasing him. Unfortunately, when Martin was shot dead, Zimmerman was not chasing him at that time. That rules out any self-defense claim prosecution tries to make.

If I see you breaking into my house while I'm watching television, the law gives me the right to shoot and kill you. However, if while breaking into my house, and you see me in the house getting my gun and are able to run away. I can't shoot you later if I'm going to the store and happen to see you walking on the street. If I did shoot you, sure, it would be because you broke into my house. But the law doesn't allow me to use my right of deadly force once the incident is over.

That being said, the chasing incident was long over when Martin attacked Zimmerman. The law doesn't allow Martin to use physical force on somebody for revenge of an earlier event.
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#1670 May 13, 2013
Yeah wrote:
<quoted text>How many of the Gospels were actually written by the acclaimed authors?
And regardless of your dating, what is the dating for those books that are included?
According to church father Iranaeus,writing in 180 AD, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John were the actual authors of the gospels attributed to them.

"Matthew published a written Gospel for the Hebrews in their own language, while Peter and Paul were preaching the Gospel in Rome and laying the foundations of the Church."
Irenaeus, Against the Heresies 180AD

"After their passing Mark also, the disciple and interpreter of Peter, transmitted to us in writing the things preached by Peter.'
Irenaeus of Lyons 180 AD


`Luke, the follower of Paul, set down in a book the Gospel preached by him [i.e., Paul].'
Irenaeus of Lyons 180 AD


"Lastly John, the disciple of the Lord, who had leaned back on His breast, once more set forth the Gospel, while residing at Ephesus in Asia.''
Irenaeus of Lyons 180 AD

"The evidence indicates that the written sources of our Synoptic Gospels are not later than c. AD 60; some of them may even be traced back to notes taken of our Lord's teaching while His words were actually being uttered. The oral sources go back to the very beginning of Christian history. We are, in fact, practically all the way through in touch with the evidence of eyewitnesses. The earliest preachers of the gospel knew the value of this firsthand testimony, and appealed to it time and again.'We are witnesses of these things,' was their constant and confident assertion."
Biblical scholar F. F. BRUCE, M.A., D.D., F.B.A.
Yeah

Mililani, HI

#1671 May 13, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
What's selective about it? I asked you earlier last week to pinpoint what took place that evening that turned this from self-defense into murder? You never replied back. Apparently, you think this short little foot chase had something to do with it.
I would agree with you had Martin turned around during that chase and strike Zimmerman. That's because Martin had a right to defend himself from somebody who was chasing him. Unfortunately, when Martin was shot dead, Zimmerman was not chasing him at that time. That rules out any self-defense claim prosecution tries to make.
If I see you breaking into my house while I'm watching television, the law gives me the right to shoot and kill you. However, if while breaking into my house, and you see me in the house getting my gun and are able to run away. I can't shoot you later if I'm going to the store and happen to see you walking on the street. If I did shoot you, sure, it would be because you broke into my house. But the law doesn't allow me to use my right of deadly force once the incident is over.
That being said, the chasing incident was long over when Martin attacked Zimmerman. The law doesn't allow Martin to use physical force on somebody for revenge of an earlier event.
I don't recall that question.

But I don't think Zimmerman will be convicted of murder at this stage.

As for your version of events, that still remains to be seen in a court of law.

And as usual, you're injecting your opinion regarding a 'revenge' motive. As long as you continue to accept Zimmerman at this word and make things up for Martin, you can can many, many different scenarios to satisfy your requirements.
Yeah

Mililani, HI

#1672 May 13, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
<quoted text>
According to church father Iranaeus,writing in 180 AD, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John were the actual authors of the gospels attributed to them.
"Matthew published a written Gospel for the Hebrews in their own language, while Peter and Paul were preaching the Gospel in Rome and laying the foundations of the Church."
Irenaeus, Against the Heresies 180AD
"After their passing Mark also, the disciple and interpreter of Peter, transmitted to us in writing the things preached by Peter.'
Irenaeus of Lyons 180 AD
`Luke, the follower of Paul, set down in a book the Gospel preached by him [i.e., Paul].'
Irenaeus of Lyons 180 AD
"Lastly John, the disciple of the Lord, who had leaned back on His breast, once more set forth the Gospel, while residing at Ephesus in Asia.''
Irenaeus of Lyons 180 AD
"The evidence indicates that the written sources of our Synoptic Gospels are not later than c. AD 60; some of them may even be traced back to notes taken of our Lord's teaching while His words were actually being uttered. The oral sources go back to the very beginning of Christian history. We are, in fact, practically all the way through in touch with the evidence of eyewitnesses. The earliest preachers of the gospel knew the value of this firsthand testimony, and appealed to it time and again.'We are witnesses of these things,' was their constant and confident assertion."
Biblical scholar F. F. BRUCE, M.A., D.D., F.B.A.
So are you claiming his sources are the ORIGINAL gospels in their hands?

It's interesting how your 'source' requires faith alone as proof.
Storm Warning

De Forest, WI

#1673 May 13, 2013
Jews have always tried to disarm Whites

“Shall NOT be infringed!”

Since: Apr 13

San Jose, CA.

#1674 May 13, 2013
Yeah wrote:
<quoted text>So are you claiming his sources are the ORIGINAL gospels in their hands?
It's interesting how your 'source' requires faith alone as proof.
Wouldn't it be possible for a Being that created the whole universe, and everything in it. To maintain His word through those that He also created? The Dead Sea scrolls have shown the accuracy of His Word was maintained. And they were only found very recently. Why is that so hard to accept? Chariot wheels have been found in the Red Sea. As well as other scientific discoveries that prove the Bible to be true. Why is it so difficult to believe? You believe in scientific proof, right?

“Shall NOT be infringed!”

Since: Apr 13

San Jose, CA.

#1675 May 13, 2013
Storm Warning wrote:
Jews have always tried to disarm Whites
Actually, it was the Philistines that disarmed the Jews. And almost every place that Jews have ever lived have kept them disarmed. All the way up to Adolph Hitler. And this even though there is a distinct difference from a child of Israel, and a "Jew". A "Jew" is the follower of a certain religious sect.

Since: Feb 11

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#1676 May 14, 2013
GunShow1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Security Treaty Between the United States and Japan
Lobster Thermidor aux crevettes with a Mornay sauce, served in a Provencale manner with shallots and aubergines, garnished with truffle pt, brandy and a fried egg on top and Spam

Since: Feb 11

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#1677 May 14, 2013
GunShow1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, it was the Philistines that disarmed the Jews.
Spam, anyone?

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#1678 May 14, 2013
GunShow1 wrote:
Chariot wheels have been found in the Red Sea.
So have beer cans.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#1679 May 14, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
Unfortunately, when Martin was shot dead, Zimmerman was not chasing him at that time..
Let's see: the Martin boy was on the sidewalk in front of his house and was going home; the pedophile was armed with a gun and was told by the police dispatcher to not chase someone who had offended him by being a black person in his neighborhood, and the pedophile confronted the boy at night three blocks from where he was told to wait for police who were- he was told- on the way.

And you told us, you m/f c/s liar: that the pedophile only followed Martin for ten seconds.

You m/f c/s liar: you do remember telling us that the pedophile followed Martin for ten seconds?

The way it works, you m/f c/s liar: stand your ground works when you stand your ground, not if you chase someone down and shoot him.

It seems it's not illegal to be black on the sidewalk even in Florida.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#1680 May 14, 2013
GunShow1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Wouldn't it be possible for a Being that created the whole universe, and everything in it.
Sure: he created the world and planted proof that it was four million years old and a the universe that started in the middle of an explosion.

It's possible that the world was created this morning and you are the first human being and everyone around you are test robots.

Wipe your chin, GayDavy.

Why would he want the first human to be gay?

I guess he doesn't want to risk you reproducing.
spocko

Oakland, CA

#1681 May 14, 2013
GunShow1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Wouldn't it be possible for a Being that created the whole universe, and everything in it. To maintain His word through those that He also created? The Dead Sea scrolls have shown the accuracy of His Word was maintained. And they were only found very recently. Why is that so hard to accept? Chariot wheels have been found in the Red Sea. As well as other scientific discoveries that prove the Bible to be true. Why is it so difficult to believe? You believe in scientific proof, right?
What -- so you are a religious freak as well ye moron! The dead sea scrolls are scientific proof of God - what a f-ing moron why don't you quit while your ahead retard!!
Yeah

Honolulu, HI

#1682 May 14, 2013
GunShow1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Wouldn't it be possible for a Being that created the whole universe, and everything in it. To maintain His word through those that He also created? The Dead Sea scrolls have shown the accuracy of His Word was maintained. And they were only found very recently. Why is that so hard to accept? Chariot wheels have been found in the Red Sea. As well as other scientific discoveries that prove the Bible to be true. Why is it so difficult to believe? You believe in scientific proof, right?
Oh I don't deny that. But you aren't taking His word are you? You're taking the word of man that's been interpreted many times over time.

After all, it would appear the God of Christians and the God of Islam are one in the same.

Yet so called Christians deny this. It sort puts a damper on that belief in God by those Christians, doesn't it?
Yeah

Honolulu, HI

#1683 May 14, 2013
GunShow1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, it was the Philistines that disarmed the Jews. And almost every place that Jews have ever lived have kept them disarmed. All the way up to Adolph Hitler. And this even though there is a distinct difference from a child of Israel, and a "Jew". A "Jew" is the follower of a certain religious sect.
I think someone forgot to tell David.

“Shall NOT be infringed!”

Since: Apr 13

San Jose, CA.

#1684 May 14, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
Sure
"Sir, may not human institutions, made by the best wisdom of man for human preservation, receive the light of illustration from institutions established for the same beneficent purpose, by the ordinances of the Diety himself? "The Judge of all the earth" has expounded the laws of the Eternal, so that his prohibition against "shedding man's blood" does aid, not abrogate, his own paramount law of self-preservation, but, in effect, place a weapon in each man's hands to shed that blood in his own defence. Who, then, will, or can deny, to a whole people, united and embodied in the persons of their representatives, under that great institution, their political law--that constitution which makes them a nation, and forms their representatives into a sovereignty--who, I say, dares deny to that sovereignty the same rights of self-defence which appertain, not only to every individual of that nation, but also to every animated being throughout the universe!..."

"[Pages 2971-72]... France has drenched the streets of her own beloved Paris in blood, to secure "freedom of the press." The type, sir, the type must pioneer the sword in the march of freedom. The voice of eloquence may startle the oppressed from his slumber of ages--it may shake the tyrant on his throne of a hundred descents, if they may be found within the compass of its mighty volume; but the more efficient powers of the press may spread out the printed roll of human rights before every human eye. Dare we, sir, dare we snatch that printed roll from the hand of the American people; and that, too, when it is fraught with our own doings touching their own concernments, entrusted by them in our management, but to their use and for their benefit?

"Sir, I do not recollect any thing material, said by the learned advocate, which now remains unanswered: for I pass over, as utterly unworthy of any reply, the allegation that the deed of daring done by the respondent was done by him because a certain letter was not answered by the gentleman from Ohio; not because words were spoken, or because words were printed, but because words were not written; not for a wrong done, but for not doing a wrong. Equally unworthy of notice is the poor evasion which labored to censure the gentleman from Ohio for carrying arms to secure his own personal safety. The bravo--the ruffian--may fill his belt with pistols, and his bosom with dirk-knives, and threaten violence to peaceable citizens, and do all this with perfect impunity; but if such citizens take to themselves weapons for purposes of self-defence--the only lawful cause for which men may ever wear such weapons--they are, as it is said, guilty of provoking aggression, and justly liable to punishment for any violation of the public peace, committed by any assault made on their own person."--Mr. Trisam Burges, Representative of Rhode Island, May 11, 1832.[Debates in Congress. Part III. of Vol. VIII. Register of Debates in Congress, Comprising The Leading Debates And Incidents Of The First Sssion of the Twenty-Second Congree: Together With An Appendix, Containing Important State Papers and Public Documents, and the Laws Enacted During The Session; With a Copius Index to the whole. Volume VIII. Washington: Printed and Published by Gales & Seaton. 1838.]
http://gunshowonthenet.blogspot.com/2013/05/t...
spocko

Oakland, CA

#1685 May 14, 2013
GunShow1 wrote:
<quoted text>
"Sir, may not human institutions, made by the best wisdom of man for human preservation, receive the light of illustration from institutions established for the same beneficent purpose, by the ordinances of the Diety himself? "The Judge of all the earth" has expounded the laws of the Eternal, so that his prohibition against "shedding man's blood" does aid, not abrogate, his own paramount law of self-preservation, but, in effect, place a weapon in each man's hands to shed that blood in his own defence. Who, then, will, or can deny, to a whole people, united and embodied in the persons of their representatives, under that great institution, their political law--that constitution which makes them a nation, and forms their representatives into a sovereignty--who, I say, dares deny to that sovereignty the same rights of self-defence which appertain, not only to every individual of that nation, but also to every animated being throughout the universe!..."
"[Pages 2971-72]... France has drenched the streets of her own beloved Paris in blood, to secure "freedom of the press." The type, sir, the type must pioneer the sword in the march of freedom. The voice of eloquence may startle the oppressed from his slumber of ages--it may shake the tyrant on his throne of a hundred descents, if they may be found within the compass of its mighty volume; but the more efficient powers of the press may spread out the printed roll of human rights before every human eye. Dare we, sir, dare we snatch that printed roll from the hand of the American people; and that, too, when it is fraught with our own doings touching their own concernments, entrusted by them in our management, but to their use and for their benefit?

http://gunshowonthenet.blogspot.com/2013/05/t...
Im sorry but you Sir are a friggen idiot!
I wouldn't use the word "smarter." But I will say, as a whole, humanity knows more, a lot more, about the workings of the world we live in than we did 200 years ago. But I would also say it's due to the wisdom & collective learning from those who came before us. Does it not seem crazy to think that I know stuff Einstein didn't know? Not because Im as smart as he, not even close, but because it wasn't known during his time. I would say we owe a great deal to those who came before us so we could appreciate where we are now (at least some of us), and we should do the same for future generations.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#1686 May 14, 2013
We now have a ne problem bc the Second Amendment protects our right to bare arms the Government has made it so there is no ammunition. They say its being sold quickly but I've been to several gun stores religiously on delivery days and the fact is nothing is coming inn! One thing is for sure our Government loves to find loop holes and lie about whats really happening. Sad when we can't trust our own leaders to protect what little rights we have left. There are so many laws these days I can't believe we still call this country a democracy. Call it what it is and its not a Democracy! When will Americans wake up and secure our rights as Americans! So many have given there lives to protect our freedom but yet it slips further away every day!

“Shall NOT be infringed!”

Since: Apr 13

San Jose, CA.

#1687 May 14, 2013
spocko wrote:
<quoted text>
Im sorry but you Sir are a friggen idiot!
I wouldn't use the word "smarter." But I will say, as a whole, humanity knows more, a lot more, about the workings of the world we live in than we did 200 years ago. But I would also say it's due to the wisdom & collective learning from those who came before us. Does it not seem crazy to think that I know stuff Einstein didn't know? Not because Im as smart as he, not even close, but because it wasn't known during his time. I would say we owe a great deal to those who came before us so we could appreciate where we are now (at least some of us), and we should do the same for future generations.
"The bravo--the ruffian--may fill his belt with pistols, and his bosom with dirk-knives, and threaten violence to peaceable citizens, and do all this with perfect impunity; but if such citizens take to themselves weapons for purposes of self-defence--the only lawful cause for which men may ever wear such weapons--they are, as it is said, guilty of provoking aggression, and justly liable to punishment for any violation of the public peace, committed by any assault made on their own person."

- Mr. Trisam Burges, Representative of Rhode Island, May 11, 1832.[Debates in Congress. Part III. of Vol. VIII. Register of Debates in Congress, Comprising The Leading Debates And Incidents Of The First Sssion of the Twenty-Second Congree: Together With An Appendix, Containing Important State Papers and Public Documents, and the Laws Enacted During The Session; With a Copius Index to the whole. Volume VIII. Washington: Printed and Published by Gales & Seaton. 1838.]

Take a hike troll, you obviously have NO idea of what you are talking about. To go further, you are a traitor to your fellow citizens. And worthy of nothing other than scorn and abject detestation.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#1688 May 14, 2013
Yeah wrote:
<quoted text>I don't recall that question.
But I don't think Zimmerman will be convicted of murder at this stage.
As for your version of events, that still remains to be seen in a court of law.
And as usual, you're injecting your opinion regarding a 'revenge' motive. As long as you continue to accept Zimmerman at this word and make things up for Martin, you can can many, many different scenarios to satisfy your requirements.
Then I'll ask again: what did Zimmerman do to change this from self-defense into murder? Be specific.

Now if Martin had no revenge motive, then why was he hiding behind the houses for so long? If not for revenge, why did he attack and beat Zimmerman so badly?

The court works with facts, true. But that doesn't mean defense can't ask jurors or the judge these questions. Certainly some or many of them would answer these questions the same way I did in their minds.

The defense (nor the prosecution) can make statements about what was in people's minds, but they can ask. For instance, if the prosecution comes out and says "George was playing cop that night" that would be objected and sustained. They can ask "What was George thinking that night?"

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