Moms make case for gun control

Moms make case for gun control

There are 9248 comments on the usatoday.com story from Mar 16, 2013, titled Moms make case for gun control. In it, usatoday.com reports that:

Peg Paulson had never beaten a path through the halls of Congress before or met a U.S. senator's staffer or advocated for a controversial issue.

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Yeah

Honolulu, HI

#1459 May 8, 2013
Armed Veteran wrote:
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And I don't give a f**k what you "think". And I am NOT on the side of the shooter. I am on the side of the EVIDENCE. The evidence just so happens to be supportive of the shooter's claims, with NOTHING to back yours.
I have said MANY times on these forums that if there is indeed evidence that proves Zimmerman is guilty of a crime, I hope the prosecution finds it and puts him away for it. To date....there hasn't been. Ans just because you have a dead body, it doesn't mean the shooter is guilty of murder or even manslaughter, ESPECIALLY if the evidence supports the shooters claim of self-defense.
I don't think you're on the side of evidence son... well, not all of it anyway.

Just what you want to accept.

My position has been to let the justice system do it's job.

So far, Zimmerman has killed. So for that part, it's up to the prosecution to try and prove whatever case or options they have. And if the defense will be claiming self defense, that's fine also.

But the affirmative defense will put the the case in their court as far as proof goes.

Because at that point, the defense will have to overcome the dead body.
Yeah

Honolulu, HI

#1460 May 8, 2013
Armed Veteran wrote:
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Wrong again. Martin can't "do" a damn thing....he's dead. You Trayvonites, just can't seem to admit that mistakes were made by Martin too, and his actions cost him his life. All you see is the smooth-faced 12 year old the media portrays him as, which is FAR from what he was. Sucks to be Martin.
The biggest difference here is the thinking of an adult versus a child.

Zimmerman should have known better.

Martin actually left Zimmerman behind.

Again, you're great at 20/20 hindsight and analyzing what each could have done.

But the bigger burden there will be on Zimmerman, unless he's going to claim some sort of mental issue. And I just don't see that happening.
Yeah

Honolulu, HI

#1461 May 8, 2013
Armed Veteran wrote:
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Hell, Jackson first stated that Martin was shot in the back of the'head execution style.
So is Jackson part of your 'evidence?'
spocko

Oakland, CA

#1462 May 8, 2013
Where Is My America wrote:
<quoted text>If only your brain was
"tightly regulated".
Like the man said:
So the real question is, why has no one been killed by a machine gun even though there are more registered machines guns than ever before?
spocko

Oakland, CA

#1463 May 8, 2013
GunShow1 wrote:
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Not for much longer. You had better buy a good stock of Depends.
So the real question is, why has no one been killed by a machine gun even though there are more registered machines guns than ever before?

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#1464 May 8, 2013
Yeah wrote:
<quoted text>The biggest difference here is the thinking of an adult versus a child.
Zimmerman should have known better.
Martin actually left Zimmerman behind.
Again, you're great at 20/20 hindsight and analyzing what each could have done.
But the bigger burden there will be on Zimmerman, unless he's going to claim some sort of mental issue. And I just don't see that happening.
1. Martin was NOT a child.
2. Martin DID leave Zimmerman behind. So how was it possible for Zimmerman to catch him with a two minute head start?? Or are you saying that Zimmerman possesses super human speed, and was able to catch up to him?
3. The burden of proof is NOT on Zimmerman. All he has to do is say "This guy was beating me up, slamming my head into the concrete, and I was in fear for my life. Here are the pictures of my injuries to my face and the back of my head. Here is the police report and EMT report from the paramedics at the seen. I thought he was going to kill me. And oh yeah, here my witnesses who saw him slamming my head into the concrete." With that said, the prosecution now has to prove BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT that Zimmerman wasn't in fear for his life, was purposely trying to kill Martin. And so far, they haven't presented a single shread of evidence that backs that claim.
4. And Zimmerman doesn't actually have to say a damn thing. His lawyer can make the claim for him, and he cannot be made to testify against himself.

You better come back with something more than "we got a dead body".

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#1465 May 8, 2013
Yeah wrote:
<quoted text>So is Jackson part of your 'evidence?'
Nope. It is evidence that Jackson was trying to turn this into a race issue from the beginning (which the FBI investigation said it wasn't) by deliberatley LYING to his followers.

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#1466 May 8, 2013
2. ....catch up to him....
d pantz

United States

#1467 May 8, 2013
Zimmerman is dumb and should do time and not be allowed to carry. He broke the rules of the neighborhood watch, and didn't follow the instructions of the dispatcher.

GunShow1

“Shall NOT be infringed!”

Since: Apr 13

San Jose, CA.

#1468 May 8, 2013
Yeah wrote:
<quoted text>The biggest difference here is the thinking of an adult versus a child....
Yeah, he's the adult, and >you< are the child.

GunShow1

“Shall NOT be infringed!”

Since: Apr 13

San Jose, CA.

#1469 May 8, 2013
spocko wrote:
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So the real question is, why has no one been killed by a machine gun even though there are more registered machines guns than ever before?
Because they are to expensive to use in crime, traitor-troll. We already went through this on another thread. And now you are lamely contending the same here? After I kicked the SNOT out of you on the other thread?

"They were NOT "strictly regulated" in 1934, traitor. They were prohibitively TAXED, in order to make it difficult for the average citizen to own one. And then future sales to civilians were UNCONSTITUTIONALLY banned in 1986. Although with the right FFL License, they are still MANUFACTURED TODAY."

"Then how come my friends, which have owned MACHINE GUNS, CANNON, and various other DESTRUCTIVE DEVICES. And some of them for well over TWENTY YEARS. Have NEVER ha a visit from the BATF? It's NOT about the "safety", it's about the MONEY, dunce."

"Do you have ANY idea how expensive it is to shoot a machine gun? Or how long it takes to load a magazine? Or to clean it after firing, so that it will keep functioning correctly? Or how difficult it is to find parts for them anymore? Yeah, I didn't think so.

"Criminals don't use machine guns, because they are a MAJOR PAIN to fire and maintain. And criminals are criminals because they are to LAZY to work.

Find another talking 'point', traitor."
http://www.topix.com/forum/guns/TIOOJ2V09UCFQ...
Yeah

Honolulu, HI

#1471 May 8, 2013
Armed Veteran wrote:
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Nope. It is evidence that Jackson was trying to turn this into a race issue from the beginning (which the FBI investigation said it wasn't) by deliberatley LYING to his followers.
So much for your claim of working based evidence...
Yeah

Honolulu, HI

#1472 May 8, 2013
GunShow1 wrote:
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Yeah, he's the adult, and >you< are the child.
Nice of you to offer your opinion, son.

Nothing unusual there....
spocko

Oakland, CA

#1473 May 8, 2013
Where Is My America wrote:
<quoted text>If only your brain was
"tightly regulated".
LOL ... unlike you at east I have one ...
spocko

Oakland, CA

#1474 May 8, 2013
GunShow1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Because they are to expensive to use in crime, traitor-troll. We already went through this on another thread. And now you are lamely contending the same here? After I kicked the SNOT out of you on the other thread?
"They were NOT "strictly regulated" in 1934, traitor. They were prohibitively TAXED, in order to make it difficult for the average citizen to own one. And then future sales to civilians were UNCONSTITUTIONALLY banned in 1986. Although with the right FFL License, they are still MANUFACTURED TODAY."
"Then how come my friends, which have owned MACHINE GUNS, CANNON, and various other DESTRUCTIVE DEVICES. And some of them for well over TWENTY YEARS. Have NEVER ha a visit from the BATF? It's NOT about the "safety", it's about the MONEY, dunce."
"Do you have ANY idea how expensive it is to shoot a machine gun? Or how long it takes to load a magazine? Or to clean it after firing, so that it will keep functioning correctly? Or how difficult it is to find parts for them anymore? Yeah, I didn't think so.
"Criminals don't use machine guns, because they are a MAJOR PAIN to fire and maintain. And criminals are criminals because they are to LAZY to work.
Find another talking 'point', traitor."
http://www.topix.com/forum/guns/TIOOJ2V09UCFQ...
The tax at $200 is chickenfeed, an M-16 is light weight, easily maintained and a child could operate it. Why, you as a gunloon sure are ill informed?
In the gunloons fantasy world, the 2nd Amendment is hallowed ground and needs to be absolute NOTHING in this world that is absolute. The 2nd Amendment is nothing more than a bunch of words on a piece of paper put together by a bunch of middle-aged, upper-class white guys some 220 years ago.
xxxrayted

Brook Park, OH

#1475 May 8, 2013
Yeah wrote:
<quoted text>I don't think you're on the side of evidence son... well, not all of it anyway.
Just what you want to accept.
My position has been to let the justice system do it's job.
So far, Zimmerman has killed. So for that part, it's up to the prosecution to try and prove whatever case or options they have. And if the defense will be claiming self defense, that's fine also.
But the affirmative defense will put the the case in their court as far as proof goes.
Because at that point, the defense will have to overcome the dead body.
why don't you be more specific?

Evidence points that Zimmerman was attacked.
Evidence points that Zimmerman used his firearm to stop the attack.

Now what changes self-defense to murder in this case? Again, be specific.
xxxrayted

Brook Park, OH

#1476 May 8, 2013
Yeah wrote:
<quoted text>So... you weren't using facts before?
Mostly facts but some speculation since that's what the jurors are going to do. But again, we can stick exclusively to hard evidence anytime you desire.
xxxrayted

Brook Park, OH

#1477 May 8, 2013
Another wrote:
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sick lie. There is nothing great about a thug stalking and shooting a kid.
Except for the fact that's not what happened. What happened is Zimmerman was pinned down so he couldn't move, beaten up, and then used his firearm to stop further injuries or death. Yes. That is a great thing.
xxxrayted

Brook Park, OH

#1478 May 8, 2013
spocko wrote:
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Check his court hearing statements quote: "I would have never got out of the car without my gun"
Go ahead moron give some more of your dogshit ...
Got a link to that?

So he would have never got out of his car if he wasn't armed. WTF does that prove?
spocko

Oakland, CA

#1479 May 8, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
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Now what changes self-defense to murder in this case? Again, be specific.
Sorry wacko but last time I checked - it's courts that decide these things!

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