Moms make case for gun control

Mar 16, 2013 Full story: usatoday.com 9,286

Peg Paulson had never beaten a path through the halls of Congress before or met a U.S. senator's staffer or advocated for a controversial issue.

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“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#1376 May 7, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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The FACT that he was arrested is evidence that it was murder.
Wipe your chin, Sonny.
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Maybe

Santa Fe, NM

#1378 May 7, 2013
Armed Veteran wrote:
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SO. It was NOT illegal for him to be armed. He had a concealed carry permit issued from the state of Florida. It was not illegal for him to see where Martin ran off to. It was not illegal for him to ask Martin any questions. It WAS illegal for Martin to punch him in the face and then bash his head into the concrete.
And what "court records" are you talking about? This hasn't gone to trial yet. Got proof?
not illegal, but clearly a pattern of looking to create trouble and harassing a black kid. He was not a cop and has no business playing one. If anything about his version of events is true (of course, he conveniently killed the witness)it sounds like the kid was "standing his ground."

Manslaughter for sure. Murder may be harder to prove.

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#1379 May 7, 2013
Armed Veteran wrote:
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SO. It was NOT illegal for him to be armed.
He wasn't arrested for carrying a weapon, dumbazz.

He was arrested for chasing down a boy who had EVERY RIGHT TO BE WHERE HE WAS AT and shooting the boy in the chest.

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#1380 May 7, 2013
Armed Veteran wrote:
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Wipe your chin, Jzzmcheeks, you have pedophile spooge leaking...

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#1381 May 7, 2013
Armed Veteran wrote:
It WAS illegal for Martin to punch him in the fac?
YOu have no proof this boy touched him.

And your pedophile JUMPED the boy, the boy had every right to try to protect himself.

IN THE DARK after stalking the boy who had EVERY RIGHT TO BE WHERE HE WAS AT.

If your racist pedophile had WAITING for the cops LIKE HE WAS TOLD, there would not have been any incident.

Every one here knows this FAT WANNABE cop bit off more than he could chew.

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#1382 May 7, 2013
Armed Veteran wrote:
And what "court records" are you talking about? This hasn't gone to trial yet. Got proof?
He DUMBAZZ: your FAT PEDOPHILE has been to court several times.

PAY ATTENTION!

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#1383 May 7, 2013
Maybe wrote:
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not illegal, but clearly a pattern of looking to create trouble and harassing a black kid. He was not a cop and has no business playing one. If anything about his version of events is true (of course, he conveniently killed the witness)it sounds like the kid was "standing his ground."
Manslaughter for sure. Murder may be harder to prove.
And what actions by Zimmerman would put Martin in fear for his life or imminent bodily harm?? Be specific and prove your claim.

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#1384 May 7, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Wipe your chin, Jzzmcheeks, you have pedophile spooge leaking...
GFY, Troll.
Duh

Santa Fe, NM

#1385 May 7, 2013
Armed Veteran wrote:
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And what actions by Zimmerman would put Martin in fear for his life or imminent bodily harm?? Be specific and prove your claim.
being stalked or confronted by some crazy guy for no apparent reason.

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#1386 May 7, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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YOu have no proof this boy touched him.
And your pedophile JUMPED the boy, the boy had every right to try to protect himself.
IN THE DARK after stalking the boy who had EVERY RIGHT TO BE WHERE HE WAS AT.
If your racist pedophile had WAITING for the cops LIKE HE WAS TOLD, there would not have been any incident.
Every one here knows this FAT WANNABE cop bit off more than he could chew.
You continue to excrete your ignorance with EVERY POST.

Martin had a broken nose, two black eyes, lacerations to the back of his head, and a hurt back which he DID NOT have before the two met. There is more than one eye witness that saw Martin on top of Zimmerman bashing his head into the sidewalk.

The is absolutely NO EVIDENCE that Zimmerman ever touched Martin, let alone "jumped" him. In fact, the time line suggests that it was Martin who waited behind the townhouses to jump Zimmerman. Martin had almost two minutes to get away from Zimmerman and cover the remaining 80-100 yards to the dad's girlfriend's townhouse.

Zimmemrman was also NEVER TOLD to wait where he was at. he was told by the dispatcher "we don't need you to do that" which is NOT and order. And even of it was, he is under no obligation to follow it.

And if Zimmerman hadn't have been armed that night, Martin would be facing charges for aggravated assault or murder. Ever heard of blunt force trauma, you f**king idiot.

Now as kindly and gingerly as I can say it......Go F**K Yourself.

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#1387 May 7, 2013
Duh wrote:
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being stalked or confronted by some crazy guy for no apparent reason.
He wasn't "stalked". And even the proscutions star witness (the girlfriend on the phone) has said it was Martin who first spoke to Zimmerman. Try again.
Yeah

Santa Fe, NM

#1388 May 7, 2013
Armed Veteran wrote:
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He wasn't "stalked". And even the proscutions star witness (the girlfriend on the phone) has said it was Martin who first spoke to Zimmerman. Try again.
the kid probably asked the stalker WTF he was doing stalking him.

I've said my peace. You have no special knowledge. The facts are that Zimmerman had no business playing cop, he should not prowling around with a gun looking for trouble and if he suspected something, he should have let the police handle it. A kid is dead. There will be a trial and because he killed the witness it will be hard to prove murder, but manslaughter is a likely result.

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#1389 May 7, 2013
Yeah wrote:
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the kid probably asked the stalker WTF he was doing stalking him.
I've said my peace. You have no special knowledge. The facts are that Zimmerman had no business playing cop, he should not prowling around with a gun looking for trouble and if he suspected something, he should have let the police handle it. A kid is dead. There will be a trial and because he killed the witness it will be hard to prove murder, but manslaughter is a likely result.
Too bad that other than having a dead guy, the rest of your post is nothing but pure conjecture on your part. And your right...I have no special knowledge. My opinion on this case is based strictly on what evidence has been reported to date. Statements like "playing cop", "stalking", "prowling around", "looking for trouble", etc. does nothing but show your own prejudice in this case. And in order for Zimmerman to be found guilty of anything, the prosecution is going to have to prove beyond reasonable doubt that this was NOT a self-defense shooting. Because so far, that is what the evidence is raising.....reasonable doubt.

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#1390 May 7, 2013
Yeah wrote:
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the kid probably asked the stalker WTF he was doing stalking him.
No. According to the girlfriend on the phone, he asked "Why are you following me?" To which Zimmerman replied "What are you doing here?" And then she heard a scuffle. Who hit who first? The lack of any offensive injuries to Martin other than a single GSW and a skinned finger suggests that it was MArtin who struck Zimmerman, which was Zimmerman's claim. His broken nose and two black eyes also lends to that claim. And without any evidence to the contrary, what are you going to believe???

It doesn't matter one iota what anyone "thinks" happened that night. Not. One. Bit. All that matters is what can be proven. I challenge each and every one of you who thinks Martin was innocent in this case to make your case with what EVIDENCE has been presented thus far. Leave your conjecture and personal feelings at home. Because if all you have is "playing wannabe cop", "stalking", etc.....Zimmerman walks.
So I was

Santa Fe, NM

#1391 May 7, 2013
Armed Veteran wrote:
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According to the girlfriend on the phone, he asked "Why are you following me?"

.
correct.

And his answer shows he was playing wannabee cop.

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#1392 May 7, 2013
So I was wrote:
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correct.
And his answer shows he was playing wannabee cop.
Or a member of that community who wanted to know what a stranger acting strangely was doing in his gated neighborhood. That being said, Martin didn't have to answer a damn thing, he could have kept walking. He could have said "none of your damn business" and kept walking. He could have said "go screw yourself" and kept walking. He could have done a mulitude of things. But what he didn't have the right to do is punch Zimmerman in the face because he was asked a question. And if you have any proof that Zimmerman did anything more than just ask him question, you need to contact the Sanford Police Department.
Yeah

Honolulu, HI

#1393 May 7, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
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Not at all. I'm willing to consider all possible reasons why a younger-taller guy than Zimmerman was waiting behind those houses when he was only seconds away from where he was staying. Couldn't be because he was scared. Scared people don't attack the person they are scared of. Scared people call the police. It couldn't be because he didn't have enough time. Zimmerman continued his conversation with 911 for about another minute after he and Martin parted.
You seem to confuse "all possible reasons" with the word "speculation."

... and perhaps, "assumption" too.
Yeah

Honolulu, HI

#1394 May 7, 2013
Armed Veteran wrote:
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Or a member of that community who wanted to know what a stranger acting strangely was doing in his gated neighborhood. That being said, Martin didn't have to answer a damn thing, he could have kept walking. He could have said "none of your damn business" and kept walking. He could have said "go screw yourself" and kept walking. He could have done a mulitude of things. But what he didn't have the right to do is punch Zimmerman in the face because he was asked a question. And if you have any proof that Zimmerman did anything more than just ask him question, you need to contact the Sanford Police Department.
They were both strangers.

From that perspective, they were on a level playing field... until the weapon was produced.

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Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#1395 May 7, 2013
Yeah wrote:
<quoted text>They were both strangers.
From that perspective, they were on a level playing field... until the weapon was produced.
And when was the weapon produced? The eye witnesses have said that a shot wasn't heard until they were on the ground and Martin was pounding Zimmerman's head into the concrete.
Yeah

Honolulu, HI

#1396 May 7, 2013
Armed Veteran wrote:
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And when was the weapon produced? The eye witnesses have said that a shot wasn't heard until they were on the ground and Martin was pounding Zimmerman's head into the concrete.
Well, that's your opinion.

It'll be interesting if the defense shows any intent on Martin's part.

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