Moms make case for gun control

Moms make case for gun control

There are 9248 comments on the usatoday.com story from Mar 16, 2013, titled Moms make case for gun control. In it, usatoday.com reports that:

Peg Paulson had never beaten a path through the halls of Congress before or met a U.S. senator's staffer or advocated for a controversial issue.

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Yeah

Honolulu, HI

#1044 Apr 25, 2013
GunShow1 wrote:
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A Short History of Democrats, Republicans, and Racism
The following are a few basic historical facts that every American should know.
Fact: The Republican Party was founded primarily to oppose slavery, and Republicans eventually abolished slavery. The Democratic Party fought them and tried to maintain and expand slavery.
Why is this indisputable fact so rarely mentioned? PBS documentaries about slavery and the Civil War barely mention it, for example. One can certainly argue that the parties have changed dramatically in 150 years, but that does not change the historical fact that it was the Democrats who supported slavery and the Republicans who opposed it. And that indisputable fact should not be airbrushed out for fear that it will tarnish the modern Democratic Party.
Had the positions of the parties been the opposite, and the Democrats had fought the Republicans to end slavery, the historical party roles would no doubt be repeated incessantly in these documentaries. Funny how that works.
Fact: During the Civil War era, the "Radical Republicans" were given that name because they wanted to not only end slavery but also to endow the freed slaves with full citizenship, equality, and rights.
Yes, that was indeed a radical idea at the time!
Fact: Lincoln's Vice President, Andrew Johnson, was a strongly pro-Union (but also pro-slavery) Democrat who had been chosen as a compromise running mate to attract Democrats. After Lincoln was assassinated, Johnson thwarted Republican efforts in Congress to recognize the civil rights of the freed slaves, and Southern Democrats continued to thwart any such efforts for nearly a century.
Fact: The Ku Klux Klan was originally and primarily an arm of the Southern Democratic Party, and its mission was to terrorize freed slaves and Republicans who sympathized with them.
Why is this fact conveniently omitted in so many popular histories and depictions of the KKK, including PBS documentaries? Had the KKK been founded by Republicans, that fact would no doubt be repeated constantly on those shows.
Fact: In the 1950s, President Eisenhower, a Republican, integrated the US military and promoted civil rights for minorities. Eisenhower pushed through the Civil Rights Act of 1957. One of Eisenhower's primary political opponents on civil rights prior to 1957 was none other than Lyndon Johnson, then the Democratic Senate Majority Leader. LBJ had voted the straight segregationist line until he changed his position and supported the 1957 Act.
Fact: The historic Civil Rights Act of 1964 was supported by a higher percentage of Republicans than Democrats in both houses of Congress. In the House, 80 percent of the Republicans and 63 percent of the Democrats voted in favor. In the Senate, 82 percent of the Republicans and 69 percent of the Democrats voted for it.
Fact: Contrary to popular misconception, the parties never "switched" on racism.
Following the epic civil rights struggles of the 1960s, the South began a major demographic shift from Democratic to Republican
http://russp.us/racism.htm
So really, the non cons of today were the cons of yesteryear.

Most educated people already know that son. They don't need to "adjust" it like cons do!

“Antisocialistic”

Since: May 12

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#1045 Apr 25, 2013
Yeah wrote:
<quoted text>I find it interesting how cons revert to this argument for their case and cause.

And then I laugh when things like Michael Steele is put in charge of the RNC after Obama gets elected.

Funny thing is, now he's persona non grata with the party that he still supports.
Really? It's that interesting huh? Show one example of it being posted by a conservative when replying to someone that did not play the race card without justification. Just one post. Let me guess, you'll say it happens all the time, but fail to post proof of it.
spocko

Oakland, CA

#1046 Apr 25, 2013
Prep-for-Dep wrote:
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Nice side step and redirect, but I'll answer that.
250 million guns in America have made us safer by protecting all of our rights and freedoms. Without them, we would be slaves to a dictator by now. They have kept us safer by preventing invasion of the US by Japan in WW2, and who knows how many other countries throughout America's history.
They were not allowed to make the 20 babies in Newtown, the victims in Aurora, the victims of numerous mass shootings in schools, churches, and malls safer, because those locations were GUN FREE ZONES for the law abiding. Obviously the law breakers didn't care that it was against the law to have a gun there.
Sure gun related deaths go up. So does the number of people in the country and the world. Two thirds of gun related deaths are suicide. That has more to do with the state of the country, the government, and the economy than it does with guns. Also, look at gun murders in the US, who commits most of them? Blacks are over represented. How well are the existing gun control measures enforced, in 2010, 15,000 felons and criminals attempted to purchase a gun illegally. How many were prosecuted? 44 were prosecuted out of 15,000. Where does the US rank in number of guns owned, compared to other countries? Where does the US rank in number of gun deaths compared to those countries? Where does the US rank in gun deaths compared to those countries if you subtract the Black influence? Before you accuse me of racism, I can back all of this with FBI statistics on gun crime.
Insulting my mother shows your lack of maturity, lack of substantive input, and lack of ability to debate with facts or truth.
Good lord, obviously you lack any sort of brilliance so you're resorting to bull manure. Of course in your fantasy universe of make believe and pink unicorns anything is possible. Sorry but there is no way anyone would dignify your drivel with a serious argument.

“Antisocialistic”

Since: May 12

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#1047 Apr 25, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>True, not worthless, but it can be worth less. If we ever get a real President and the dollar starts to regain strength, I would get rid of gold in a heartbeat.
Lol! I'll cross that bridge when we get there.

“Antisocialistic”

Since: May 12

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#1048 Apr 25, 2013
spocko wrote:
<quoted text>Good lord, obviously you lack any sort of brilliance so you're resorting to bull manure. Of course in your fantasy universe of make believe and pink unicorns anything is possible. Sorry but there is no way anyone would dignify your drivel with a serious argument.
Typical liberal reply. You can not refute anything I said with facts, sources, links, or even common sense. Therefore, you post this deflective tripe. Everyone is on to the liberal way! You need new material.
spocko

Oakland, CA

#1049 Apr 25, 2013
GunShow1 wrote:
<quoted text>
A Short History of Democrats, Republicans, and Racism
The following are a few basic historical facts that every American should know.
Fact: The Republican Party was founded primarily to oppose slavery, and Republicans eventually abolished slavery. The Democratic Party fought them and tried to maintain and expand slavery.
One can certainly argue but that does not change the historical fact that it was the Democrats who supported slavery and the Republicans who opposed it. And that indisputable fact should not be airbrushed out for fear that it will tarnish the modern Democratic Party.
Had the positions of the parties been the opposite, and the Democrats had fought the Republicans to end slavery, the historical party roles would no doubt be repeated incessantly in these documentaries. Funny how that works.
Yes, that was indeed a radical idea at the time!
Fact: Lincoln's Vice President, Andrew Johnson, was a strongly pro-Union (but also pro-slavery) Democrat who had been chosen as a compromise running mate to attract Democrats. After Lincoln was assassinated, Johnson thwarted Republican efforts in Congress to recognize the civil rights of the freed slaves, and Southern Democrats continued to thwart any such efforts for nearly a century.
ROFLAMO ... stop, stop, stop I'[m laughing so hard I'm going to hurt myself - you ever sought of trying out as a comedian?
The Civil Rights Act of 1964.
The bill was called for by President JFK in his civil rights speech of June 11, 1963. Kennedy met with Republican leaders prior to his television address that night to discuss the legislation. They voiced support for the president's bill except for provisions guaranteeing equal access to places of public accommodations.

The original House version of the bill:
Democratic Party: 152–96 (61–39%)
Republican Party: 138–34 (80–20%)

Cloture in the Senate:
Democratic Party: 44–23 (66–34%)
Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)

It’s a tired and old Republican argument that racism no longer exists, and if it does, the Democrats are responsible, because of "reverse racism" and (even more incredibly) that Democrats are the "party of slavery and racism." Ignoring the fact that white segregationist Democrats in the South were right-wing reactionary a-holes, like Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms who switched to the Republican Party when the Democrats ceased to be the party of "states rights" (code for segregation)!

It was President Truman who first pushed civil-rights when he authorized a fifteen-man committee on Civil Rights to recommend new legislation to protect people from discrimination. Speaking from the steps of the Lincoln Memorial, Truman became the first president of the United States to address the NAACP. He promised African Americans that the federal government would act now to end discrimination, violence, and race prejudice in American life. His panel issued its report confirming that segregation, lynching, and discrimination at the polls had to be ended.

While it is fair to say that a handful of Republicans took leading roles in the civil rights measures of 1964, even though they had far fewer seats, and thus less power, at the time. The GOP, in general, never warmed up to civil rights, the 1860 Republican Platform was not about abolishing slavery, it was about the enactment of free home-stead, daily mail service, transcontinental railroad and a protective tariff. Nevertheless, opposition to African slave trade under the national flag was mentioned. Republicans never warmed up to civil rights as can clearly be seen today, as well as the nomination of Goldwater in 1964. The large Republican vote totals for the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act were not replicated in other key civil rights battles, such as an earlier one relating to fair employment practices in 1949 and 1950 and a subsequent one on fair housing in 1966 – all opposed by the GOPers.

spocko

Oakland, CA

#1050 Apr 25, 2013
Prep-for-Dep wrote:
<quoted text>
Typical liberal reply. You can not refute anything I said with facts, sources, links, or even common sense. Therefore, you post this deflective tripe. Everyone is on to the liberal way! You need new material.
It has nothing to do with facts, at least not in the real world, it has everything to do with ideology, problem is you dumbfuck wingnuz can't tell the difference ...
d pantz

United States

#1051 Apr 25, 2013
spocko wrote:
<quoted text>
ROFLAMO ... stop, stop, stop I'[m laughing so hard I'm going to hurt myself - you ever sought of trying out as a comedian?
The Civil Rights Act of 1964.
The bill was called for by President JFK in his civil rights speech of June 11, 1963. Kennedy met with Republican leaders prior to his television address that night to discuss the legislation. They voiced support for the president's bill except for provisions guaranteeing equal access to places of public accommodations.
The original House version of the bill:
Democratic Party: 152–96 (61–39%)
Republican Party: 138–34 (80–20%)
Cloture in the Senate:
Democratic Party: 44–23 (66–34%)
Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)
It’s a tired and old Republican argument that racism no longer exists, and if it does, the Democrats are responsible, because of "reverse racism" and (even more incredibly) that Democrats are the "party of slavery and racism." Ignoring the fact that white segregationist Democrats in the South were right-wing reactionary a-holes, like Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms who switched to the Republican Party when the Democrats ceased to be the party of "states rights" (code for segregation)!
It was President Truman who first pushed civil-rights when he authorized a fifteen-man committee on Civil Rights to recommend new legislation to protect people from discrimination. Speaking from the steps of the Lincoln Memorial, Truman became the first president of the United States to address the NAACP. He promised African Americans that the federal government would act now to end discrimination, violence, and race prejudice in American life. His panel issued its report confirming that segregation, lynching, and discrimination at the polls had to be ended.
While it is fair to say that a handful of Republicans took leading roles in the civil rights measures of 1964, even though they had far fewer seats, and thus less power, at the time. The GOP, in general, never warmed up to civil rights, the 1860 Republican Platform was not about abolishing slavery, it was about the enactment of free home-stead, daily mail service, transcontinental railroad and a protective tariff. Nevertheless, opposition to African slave trade under the national flag was mentioned. Republicans never warmed up to civil rights as can clearly be seen today, as well as the nomination of Goldwater in 1964. The large Republican vote totals for the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act were not replicated in other key civil rights battles, such as an earlier one relating to fair employment practices in 1949 and 1950 and a subsequent one on fair housing in 1966 – all opposed by the GOPers.
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch...
Yeah

Honolulu, HI

#1052 Apr 25, 2013
Prep-for-Dep wrote:
<quoted text>
Really? It's that interesting huh? Show one example of it being posted by a conservative when replying to someone that did not play the race card without justification. Just one post. Let me guess, you'll say it happens all the time, but fail to post proof of it.
Aren't you the one who asks others to refute your personal claims with facts?

Then claim that's how non cons operate?

interesting.....
d pantz

United States

#1053 Apr 25, 2013
Hey spocko, lie much? Do you know who robert bird was? "ROFLAMO!"
d pantz

United States

#1054 Apr 25, 2013
Sorry that's robert byrd.

“Antisocialistic”

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#1055 Apr 25, 2013
spocko wrote:
<quoted text>It has nothing to do with facts, at least not in the real world, it has everything to do with ideology, problem is you dumbfuck wingnuz can't tell the difference ...
Your first phrase says it all!

“Antisocialistic”

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#1056 Apr 25, 2013
Yeah wrote:
<quoted text>Aren't you the one who asks others to refute your personal claims with facts?

Then claim that's how non cons operate?

interesting.....
If someone says something I post is wrong or misleading, it is their responsibility to prove it. The problem is, responsibility is a foreign concept to liberals.
Yeah

Mililani, HI

#1057 Apr 25, 2013
Prep-for-Dep wrote:
<quoted text>
If someone says something I post is wrong or misleading, it is their responsibility to prove it. The problem is, responsibility is a foreign concept to liberals.
So... it's your responsibility to prove me wrong then?

Or are you providing an example of "do as I say, not as I do?"

“Antisocialistic”

Since: May 12

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#1058 Apr 25, 2013
Yeah wrote:
<quoted text>So... it's your responsibility to prove me wrong then?

Or are you providing an example of "do as I say, not as I do?"
I have many times. You simply refuse to admit you are flapping in the breeze.
Yeah

Mililani, HI

#1060 Apr 25, 2013
Prep-for-Dep wrote:
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I have many times. You simply refuse to admit you are flapping in the breeze.
I notice that about right wing crazies.

They consistently want someone to knock the coin off their shoulder.

Since: Feb 11

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#1062 Apr 26, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Those with clear heads and common sense are well aware of how
Of course, Pinocchio insists he only posts on weekends.

Last weekend.

Did he think we'd forget?

Since: Feb 11

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#1063 Apr 26, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
Obama is a Communist
~stomp stomp stomp~

WAHHH!

Communists, I tell's ya!

WAHHHHHHHH!

*Of course, this lying *t is such a great American he won't even serve jury duty.

Worthless leech on society.

PS: Don't you remember telling us you only posted on weekends?

GunShow1

“Shall NOT be infringed!”

Since: Apr 13

San Jose, CA.

#1064 Apr 26, 2013
Yeah wrote:
<quoted text>"Treason" appears to be a very cheap word for right wing crazies.
"Fear" appears to be something you like to inflict on those you disagree with too.
It's hardly my fault that you leftists are afraid of reality.

GunShow1

“Shall NOT be infringed!”

Since: Apr 13

San Jose, CA.

#1065 Apr 26, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
~stomp stomp stomp~
WAHHH!
Communists, I tell's ya!
WAHHHHHHHH!
*Of course, this lying *t is such a great American he won't even serve jury duty.
Worthless leech on society.
PS: Don't you remember telling us you only posted on weekends?
[Wipe]
[Fluuuuuuuuush]
Ah, that feels better.

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