Moms make case for gun control

Moms make case for gun control

There are 9247 comments on the usatoday.com story from Mar 16, 2013, titled Moms make case for gun control. In it, usatoday.com reports that:

Peg Paulson had never beaten a path through the halls of Congress before or met a U.S. senator's staffer or advocated for a controversial issue.

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xxxrayted

Brook Park, OH

#913 Apr 21, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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The properly trained citizens in the USA are called POLICE OFFICERS.
What a shame it is basement dwellers see a few cop shows and decide they is properly trained.
Look gang! It's my puppy dog, Bare Ignorance. See how he follows me around? He can't help himself. Everywhere I go, he does too. It's not like I give him treats or anything like that. I try to get rid of him as much as possible, but it seems to be no use.

Now go away little puppy. Bad doggie. Go sit in the corner where you belong. Adults are trying to have a discussion.

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#914 Apr 21, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
But most all of these shootings have one thing in common: all no gun zones.
That's odd: I thought they all had one thing in common: someone with a gun killing people.

And we have people like you who would have sold him that gun without a background check... because- you say- you have a right to sell guns to anyone you please.

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#915 Apr 21, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
This includes Ft Hood because believe it or not, military are not allowed to have weapons there.
They aren't allowed to carry their own weapons, dumbazz.

You haven't served this country.

Perhaps it isn't your fault you don't know anything about military bases.

Let's put your ordinary ignorance to the side: you can't have people running around on a military base carrying their own weapons.

And let me point out that here, it is not just your ignorance that is invoked, but your outright stupidity.

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#916 Apr 21, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
One thing we learned about in training is shooting at night when most defensive shooting takes place. You don't think much of the flash coming out of that barrel during the day, but that flash will blind you at night
You are among the stupidest people on the planet.

Thankfully: you are on the gun gnutter loon side of the question.

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#917 Apr 21, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
You're not allowed to have bulletproof gear either. It's illegal,
HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!

Do the gun control people pay you to post here?
serfs up

United States

#918 Apr 21, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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And the racists keep losing ground, looks like they are but the minority part of the minority party, and the GOP doesn't know how to get rid of them.
Maybe make ARizona a new country?
You give the progressive movement to much credit. Built on false money and the backs of others and what is worse, a system built where 100% compliance is needed in everything all say and do with many on your side ready to bolt by those standards as times continue to decline. And that spells your doom. People being proud of stealing their neighbors wealth are scum. Actually believing they are owed and are thankless. Like Boston, lets sing the national anthem to our freedom as a city was closed down for a couple of people. Bwhaaaa!

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#919 Apr 21, 2013
serfs up wrote:
<quoted text> You give the progressive movement to much credit.
You can't think anyone reads your rants?
Be Fair

Wahiawa, HI

#920 Apr 21, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Yes, let's start arming six year olds- at least the precocious ones... and of course just the white ones.
I am not suggesting arming the young, only some adults, normal school rules are that all class rooms are locked in the event that teachers believe that there is a gunman on campus, the odds that the hallways would be full of students running for their lives is much lower, allowing an armed adult to engage a gunman with less concern of hitting the wrong person.

Add in the fact that teachers are going to know each other, so it would be highly unlikely that they would mistake their own for the shooter if they did have a gun.

Two different places and situations.
serfs up

United States

#921 Apr 21, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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You can't think anyone reads your rants?
If they did there would be a better understanding of the constitution and what rights are not defined by progressive/neo con/RINO modern living document clap trap. Of course the last ones to learn it were the aging boomers and many of them have rejected it. Now we are reaping what we sewed. So with the enforced civil rights that blames no one in specific groups comes a police state of tyranny....p.s....there are people reading what I write. I make no claims of perfection but those documents written in human history are rare and far between to be trashing. Cultures can not endure with permanent high taxes that only go higher. Does not work. there is a medium. And we passed it.

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#922 Apr 21, 2013
Be Fair wrote:
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I am not suggesting arming the young, only some adults, normal school
Here's a thought: leave the policing to real police officers, who have hundreds of hours of training, and thousands of hours where it is their actual job, not to some gun gnutters who shoot at paper targets for 60 minutes and call it "qualification".

I am more interested in not allowing the guns to fall into the hands of the mentally ill using... here's another thought: check people to make sure they are allowed to buy a gun before you sell them the gun?
Be Fair

Wahiawa, HI

#923 Apr 21, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Yes, let's start arming six year olds- at least the precocious ones... and of course just the white ones.
I am sorry I kinda trained myself to ignore the insulting planted at the end of sentences. What does skin has to do with anything. I wouldn't hand a gun over to anyone just because I they share the same skin color as me.

I am sorry but you are wrong

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#924 Apr 21, 2013
serfs up wrote:
<quoted text> If they did there would be a better understanding of the constitution
Not from you, honey.

Here is a quote from someone who knows th US Constitution better than you:

"Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.[United States v.] Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons."

Justice Scalia
Speaking for the SCOTUS majority
this century

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#925 Apr 21, 2013
[QUOTE who="serfs up" If they did there would be a better understanding of the constitution and what rights are not defined by progressive/neo con/RINO[/QUOTE]

PS: ranting...
xxxrayted

Brook Park, OH

#926 Apr 21, 2013
Be Fair wrote:
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I am not suggesting arming the young, only some adults, normal school rules are that all class rooms are locked in the event that teachers believe that there is a gunman on campus, the odds that the hallways would be full of students running for their lives is much lower, allowing an armed adult to engage a gunman with less concern of hitting the wrong person.
Add in the fact that teachers are going to know each other, so it would be highly unlikely that they would mistake their own for the shooter if they did have a gun.
Two different places and situations.
Those on the left believe that when confronted by a maniac, they are better off with no gun than to have a gun. Their flawed logic is that by having a gun to protect yourself, you risk that .075% you may accidentally hit an innocent person. Forget your odds of surviving with no gun. Although we rarely if ever hear about a story where an armed citizen shot or killed the wrong person, they are still brainwashed by the leftist politicians who are trying to get more control over the people.

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#927 Apr 21, 2013
Be Fair wrote:
Add in the fact that teachers are going to know each other,
Guns in brought into classrooms will result in guns being used accidentally and otherwise to kill children.

Retired cop drops gun, shoots self at Des Plaines school
April 16, 2013|By Jonathan Bullington | Tribune reporter

A retired police officer accidentally shot himself when he dropped his gun inside a Des Plaines school while attending his grandson's Boy Scout troop meeting.

Police and school officials said the man was carrying his licensed, loaded gun inside a fanny pack Monday evening at Iroquois School, and that the gun went off and a bullet struck him in the leg after he dropped the pack.

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#928 Apr 21, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
you risk that .075% you may accidentally hit
You are a m/f c/s liar.

You have no shame: you make things up.

You are a coward and you are a loser and you are a mooch on society.

Still waiting- and a list of things you lied about today: where is it illegal in the USA to wear a bullet proof vest?
spocko

Oakland, CA

#929 Apr 21, 2013
Be Fair wrote:
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I am going to have to disagree with you here Brother. The Denver shooter had a gas mask and bullet-resistant gear. Popped 2 tear gas grenades that help to prevent anyone from seeing him clearly and from tackling him. Armed with a shotgun, glock 22 and Smith & Wesson M&P15, M&P means military and police grade AR-15 variant.
This guy covered all his bases when he carried out that attack. There would be nothing a normal armed and trained person would be able to do to stop him. You would have needed to wait for a clear shot a handicap that the shooter doesn't have and would have most likely gunned you down before such a shot could take place.
That doesn't take into account the potential that anyone else in the building that is also carrying a firearm might either walk in or await in the hallway outside of the theater room for someone they might believe to be the shooter and fire upon the first person that has a gun and/or another person that wasn't in the LOS could mistaken that person for a shooter and etc.
The mass chaos in that situation wouldn't leave much for anyone with a firearm to do much good with. The right firearm, ammo, training and chance to fire on the shooter without causing harm to anyone but the target would be too low with the chance of "friendly fire" higher.
I am not saying that you shouldn't be able to defend yourself. Just don't delude yourself into thinking that this one case, in this one shooter that is armed and armored in this way. That a hand gun (which I am going to assume is what people are going to take with them to the theaters) is going to help one lick in that situation.
You can not reason with a freaking gunloon - all you need to know is "down range" and your ready for anything the world is now safe again!!
Be Fair

Wahiawa, HI

#930 Apr 21, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
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Those on the left believe that when confronted by a maniac, they are better off with no gun than to have a gun. Their flawed logic is that by having a gun to protect yourself, you risk that .075% you may accidentally hit an innocent person. Forget your odds of surviving with no gun. Although we rarely if ever hear about a story where an armed citizen shot or killed the wrong person, they are still brainwashed by the leftist politicians who are trying to get more control over the people.
I well, actually we hear about stories about people and killing the wrong person all the time esp kids shooting people on accident. Not saying they are equal to a mass shooting just that they do report it.

And if you are a gun owner then you know that there is always a chance when there are other people around that you can hit them and never is that percent at a mere 0.75% in all cases. I know of a story of a man getting killed by a stray bullet that hit the back of his head on his way to work in a city, the name of the city escapes me at the moment but the bullet didn't kill him right away, it was more like he got hit hard with a rock in the back of his head, was alive and walking for a bit before he got into his office and was transported to the hospital for the wound.

I think it was in California. In the end the point is that when you fire your weapon you own what that round might cause. and in my book you make damn sure what you intended to hit should be the only thing that gets hurt.

maybe because my father was a cop that it was beaten into me...haha
Be Fair

Wahiawa, HI

#931 Apr 21, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Guns in brought into classrooms will result in guns being used accidentally and otherwise to kill children.
Retired cop drops gun, shoots self at Des Plaines school
April 16, 2013|By Jonathan Bullington | Tribune reporter
A retired police officer accidentally shot himself when he dropped his gun inside a Des Plaines school while attending his grandson's Boy Scout troop meeting.
Police and school officials said the man was carrying his licensed, loaded gun inside a fanny pack Monday evening at Iroquois School, and that the gun went off and a bullet struck him in the leg after he dropped the pack.
Human error is something I touched on already, granted it just takes one mistake to take a life we all can't account for the stupid that would drop a loaded gun with I am assuming with the safety off in a classroom, let alone what the hell he was doing with it un-holstered and in a fanny pack of all fu@#ing places.

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#932 Apr 21, 2013
Be Fair wrote:
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Human error is something I touched on already, granted it just takes one mistake to take a life we all can't account for the stupid that would drop a loaded gun with I am assuming with the safety off in a classroom, let alone what the hell he was doing with it un-holstered and in a fanny pack of all fu@#ing places.
I am less sympathetic to the idiots that shoot themselves.

However: hundreds are killed by accident every year. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand what would happen if thousand more guns are put into public schools, e.g., in purses and fanny packs and handbags and left in desk drawers.

Missing: why wasn't this idiot arrested for the discharge?

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While legislators in several states are seeking to arm teachers or place police officers in schools, a recent incident at a high school in Highland, N.Y., forced the district to put its school resource officer program on hold.

According to local reports, officer Sean McCutcheon discharged his gun in a school hallway Tuesday while on duty at Highland High School. Though the circumstances surrounding the incident are currently under investigation, Highland Central School District Superintendent Deborah Haab said it was an accident.

"No students or staff were in the area when the weapon discharged, and no one was injured as a result of this accidental discharge," Haab told reporters and parents during a meeting Tuesday evening (see video above). "Moving forward, I'm sure the board will be having a discussion about overall school security."

The apparent mishap occurred near the end of the school day, at 1:38 p.m., while McCutcheon was patrolling the school.

Though Town of Lloyd Police Chief Daniel Waage refused to discuss specifics, the Times Herald-Record reports that Waage confirmed McCutcheon has undergone drug and alcohol tests as part of the investigation. McCutcheon was not expected to return to work Wednesday, and the school district's resource officer program has been suspended pending the results of the inquiry.

The incident highlights a larger question, part of the national debate among legislators, teachers and parents: Should guns be allowed in schools as a protective measure, and if so, who should carry them?

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