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Gun control debate heating up in statehouses

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By The Associated Press Your daily look at late-breaking news, upcoming events and stories that will be talked about Friday: President Barack Obama says his administration has received an outpouring of support for stricter gun laws following last week's elementary school massacre in Connecticut, telling respondents to an online... President Barack ... (more)

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Gwinn, MI

#2751 Feb 6, 2013
Membership lists for 1982-983, 1984-1985, 1988, 1996 and 1998 can be viewed at:

Council for National Policy 1982-1983 Members

Council for National Policy 1984-1985 Members

Council for National Policy 1988 Members

Council for National Policy 1996 Members

Council for National Policy 1998 Members

Council for National Policy 1998 - Tyson's Corner Meeting

The CNP Selected Member Biographies, found in the or via the selected list Selected CNP Members Biographies: Name Index, are from various years. The CNP Executive and Members Lists includes some of the Board of Governors, Executives and Members List from 1984, 1996, 1998, 2000. Due to difficulty in obtaining some then current (2001) biographical material, employment position and current organization position may not be complete. The time span between available CNP Directories and information makes it unknown, in some cases, how long each person had/has been a CNP member, as well as current status of memberships for 2001. In 2008, there has been updates since then to various biographies and other information and it is sometimes noted as being updated, but not always.

One finds the unification with the various members in the following inventory, assembled after compiling the over 450 member or former member biographies:

CNP Member's Organization/Media/Projects Index A - D E - J K - Z

Gwinn, MI

#2752 Feb 6, 2013
Barry O wrote:
<quoted text>
I remember the 80 election and to my best recollection it was Carter's weak response and failed rescue attempt in Iran that cost him the election. Plus, Reagan was a helluva of a better speaker than Carter.
And you don't remember why Richard Marcinko had that operation sabotaged?

Gwinn, MI

#2753 Feb 6, 2013
Barry O wrote:
<quoted text>
I remember the 80 election and to my best recollection it was Carter's weak response and failed rescue attempt in Iran that cost him the election. Plus, Reagan was a helluva of a better speaker than Carter.
follow the money/knights of Malta/Seal Team 6/Richard Marcinko/Albert Stubblebine/Erik Prince/Star Wars/

Gwinn, MI

#2754 Feb 6, 2013
The NRA was set up only a few months after the KKK was outlawed! draw your own conclusions!

Gwinn, MI

#2755 Feb 6, 2013
As the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) works to distance itself from the NRA-bill it backed as a “model” adopted in dozens of states, it may be hoping that people will not continue to dig into the damage done by its long love affair with gun groups, like the gun-industry funded NRA and fringe groups with ties to white supremacists like Gun Owners of America (GOA).

GOA’s Executive Director is Larry Pratt. In the early 1980s, Pratt and the GOA were outspoken supporters of the white rulers in South Africa during apartheid, calling a press conference in 1984 to present “evidence” that allegedly tied Bishop Desmond Tutu to an effort to violently overthrow the white minority regime in the country. In 1990, Pratt wrote a book titled “Armed People Victorious” based on his study of death squads in Guatemala and the Philippines, and advocated for similar “citizen defense patrols” in the United States. The idea reportedly caught on in 1992, when Pratt addressed a three-day meeting of neo-Nazis and Christian Adherents organized by white supremacist Pete Peters. He shared the stage with a former Ku Klux Klan leader and an Aryan Nation official.

Pratt also held leadership roles in ALEC for many years. His relationship with ALEC began in 1978, when ALEC began an effort to oppose a constitutional amendment giving the District of Columbia full voting rights in Congress. When Pratt was elected to the Virginia State Legislature in 1981, he took a leadership position in ALEC. He sat on ALEC’s board even after he left the legislature, serving as its treasurer into the 1990s.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#2756 Feb 6, 2013
Barry O wrote:
<quoted text>
I remember the 80 election and to my best recollection it was Carter's weak response and failed rescue attempt in Iran that cost him the election. Plus, Reagan was a helluva of a better speaker than Carter.
Ronald Reagan interfered with President Carter’s Iran Hostage Negotiations

Jan. 20, 1981

Iran Releases American Hostages as Reagan Takes Office

United States

#2757 Feb 6, 2013
Wow, that was a bigger history lesson than I ever bargained for, pretty good though. The point I was making is that since Carter there has been a parade of greedy socio-paths and their "associates" robbing our country in any form they can make "legal". The world court wanting Bush Jr. for war crimes is one example and that Cheney should be charged with treason for robbing us during that time is another. This current episode shows there is no "bottom" to how low these guys will sink to further their own agenda. This tragedy happened in the backyard of the former A.G. of Ct., Blumenthal, complete with criminals he protects to the federal level. That might account for some level of cooperation from the locals. No other shooting has become such a media circus. There is no motive released yet Rep. Hovey wants a 10% additional tax placed on violent computer games, like Call To Duty, since it was one of Adams' favorite games. How can she say that? Nobody really knew this kid. Did they get the computer info back and they don't want to say? The kids have had the Knicks, Kelley and his wife former rep who was shot, and truckloads of stuf come by. The victims families have been to D.C., Broadway, Giants game onfield, the Superbowl and now the kids will sing at the Grammys as well. Then there are the funds, how many? I don't know. What I do know is that each family has received a check for $45,000.00 from just one fund so far. Is this what's keeping them all from crying? Obama had more tears than the combined victims on T.V. What did the families of the other tragedies get? This one has the Senators helping Feinstein write the bill and Blumenthal has a father-in-law,(Malkin), who owns a lot of media. What the he!! is really going on here with no motive, no tox screening, no pictures, no video from state-of-the-art surveilance system, no interviews, no doctors, no prescriptions, no witnesses and nothing about the other people run down and arrested at the scene. And this is just what makes the news. What are the other deals? And if the politicians are ready to sink this low, what's next?
Barry O

United States

#2758 Feb 6, 2013
rider wrote:
<quoted text> And you don't remember why Richard Marcinko had that operation sabotaged?
Shut the hell up! Marchinko and Beckwith traveled the same circles, and he wouldn't sell out his fellow SOF guys. Unlike the panty waste we have in DC.

Gwinn, MI

#2759 Feb 6, 2013
Central Intelligence Agency (CIA): There are two broad categories of documents produced by the agency relevant to our work: field reports from the CIA station in Guatemala (protected from the FOIA by special statute and therefore impossible to obtain without the president's intervention) and "finished intelligence" written by analysts in the Directorate of Intelligence at headquarters in Langley, Virginia. Most of the documents we received from the Guatemala station were the result of unusual circumstances, arising out of the scandal over CIA liaison with Guatemalan officers linked to the murder of a U.S. citizen. ...

Gwinn, MI

#2760 Feb 6, 2013
Seymour Hersh unleashed
Posted By Blake Hounshell Tuesday, January 18, 2011 - 1:34 AM Share
DOHA, Qatar—David Remnick, call your office.
In a speech billed as a discussion of the Bush and Obama eras, New Yorker journalist Seymour Hersh delivered a rambling, conspiracy-laden diatribe here Monday expressing his disappointment with President Barack Obama and his dissatisfaction with the direction of U.S. foreign policy.
"Just when we needed an angry black man," he began, his arm perched jauntily on the podium, "we didn't get one."
It quickly went downhill from there.
Hersh, whose exposés of gross abuses by members of the U.S. military in Vietnam and Iraq have earned him worldwide fame and high journalistic honors, said he was writing a book on what he called the "Cheney-Bush years" and saw little difference between that period and the Obama administration.
He said that he was keeping a "checklist" of aggressive U.S. policies that remained in place, including torture and "rendition" of terrorist suspects to allied countries, which he alleged was ongoing.
He also charged that U.S. foreign policy had been hijacked by a cabal of neoconservative "crusaders" in the former vice president's office and now in the special operations community.
"What I'm really talking about is how eight or nine neoconservative, radicals* if you will, overthrew the American government. Took it over," he said of his forthcoming book. "It's not only that the neocons took it over but how easily they did it -- how Congress disappeared, how the press became part of it, how the public acquiesced."
Hersh then brought up the widespread looting that took place in Baghdad after the fall of Saddam Hussein in 2003. "In the Cheney shop, the attitude was,‘What's this? What are they all worried about, the politicians and the press, they're all worried about some looting?... Don't they get it? We're gonna change mosques into cathedrals. And when we get all the oil, nobody's gonna give a damn.'"
"That's the attitude," he continued. "We're gonna change mosques into cathedrals. That's an attitude that pervades, I'm here to say, a large percentage of the Joint Special Operations Command."
He then alleged that Gen. Stanley McChrystal, who headed JSOC before briefly becoming the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, and his successor, Vice Adm. William McRaven, as well as many within JSOC, "are all members of, or at least supporters of, Knights of Malta."
Hersh may have been referring to the Sovereign Order of Malta, a Roman Catholic organization commited to "defence of the Faith and assistance to the poor and the suffering," according to its website.
"Many of them are members of Opus Dei," Hersh continued. "They do see what they're doing -- and this is not an atypical attitude among some military -- it's a crusade, literally. They see themselves as the protectors of the Christians. They're protecting them from the Muslims [as in] the 13th century. And this is their function."
"They have little insignias, these coins they pass among each other, which are crusader coins," he continued. "They have insignia that reflect the whole notion that this is a culture war.… Right now, there’s a tremendous, tremendous amount of anti-Muslim feeling in the military community."
Barry O

United States

#2761 Feb 6, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>Ronald Reagan interfered with President Carter’s Iran Hostage Negotiations
Jan. 20, 1981
Iran Releases American Hostages as Reagan Takes Office
Wow! We are now rewriting history. Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini hated Carter so much for allowing the shah to come to the US, that he purposely waited till Reagan was inaugurated as president to release the hostages.

Gwinn, MI

#2762 Feb 6, 2013
In 1995, "The special prosecutor for human rights brought charges in July against eight retired and two active-duty members of the armed forces for their role in the kidnaping, torture, and attempted murder in 1982 of six student activists.... They survived their captivity in a clandestine prison because two of those abducted were the daughters of a government official....With the exception of one suspect, those under investigation were connected with Battalion 3-16, a secret Honduran military unit whose members were instructed by and worked with CIA officials...Although Human Rights Watch/Americas has pressed for several years for an accounting of U.S. involvement, the Clinton administration did not take steps to begin to examine the complicity of the United States in Honduran abuses until 1995. In mid-June, CIA Director John Deutch began an internal review of the agency's relationship with the Honduran military during the 1980s. Deutch stated that the investigation, which he characterized as an "independent review," would yield "new information" and "lessons about how not to do things while I'm director and in the future."

Deutch's announcement came after the Baltimore Sun published a four-part series in June on U.S. support given to the 316 MI Bn. Sun staff correspondents Gary Cohn and Ginger Thompson obtained formerly classified documents and interviewed three former 316 Bn members to document the breadth and depth of the battalion's close relationship to the CIA. The Sun series followed revelations in March that linked the CIA to serious human rights violations in Guatemala."[3]

He was removed from his post at the end of March 1984. According to the cable, a Honduran human rights group claimed the battalion was responsible for almost all disappearances. At first, the new military leadership was going to dissolve the battalion, but they later decided to replace senior officers and keep it intact.

Gwinn, MI

#2763 Feb 6, 2013
Colonel Beckwith founder of Delta actually developed and participated in Desert One
Richard Marcinko fiction novel writer

Gwinn, MI

#2764 Feb 6, 2013
The stunning revelation from our nation’s premiere investigative reporter, Seymour Hersh, that Vice President Dick Cheney was running an “executive assassination ring” directly under his control and outside of the normal chain of command has raised the specter that the Vice President of the United States may have been murdering Americans.

As a scholar who has invested a considerable effort in the investigation of the death of US Senator Paul Wellstone, this comes as no surprise. I and other experts with whom I have collaborated long since concluded that the crash that took his life and those of his wife, daughter, three aides and two pilots was brought about deliberately, where Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, and Karl Rove are the principal suspects. Another case in which assassination appears probable include the death of NFL star player, Cpl. Pat Tillman, which I shall review here.

Gwinn, MI

#2765 Feb 6, 2013
Sometime in late 1980, then-Col. Paul E. Vallely, the Commander of the 7th Psychological Operations Group, United States Army Reserve, Presidio of San Francisco, Ca., co-authored a discussion paper, which received wide and controversial attention within the U.S. military, particularly within the Special Operations community. The paper was titled "From PSYOP to MindWar: The Psychology of Victory," and it presented a Nietzschean scheme for waging perpetual psychological warfare against friend and enemy populations alike, and even against the American people.

The "MindWar" paper was provoked by an article by Lt. Col. John Alexander, which appeared in the December 1980 edition of Military Review, advocating the introduction of ESP (extra-sensory perception), "tele-pathetic behavior modification," para-psychology, psychokinesis ("mind over matter"), remote viewing, out of body experiences, and other New Age and occult practices into U.S. military intelligence. Alexander's paper was titled "The New Mental Battlefield: Beam Me Up, Spock."

But the subsequent paper co-authored by Vallely went way beyond ESP and the other paranormal techniques advocated by Alexander: "Strategic MindWar must begin the moment war is considered to be inevitable," the document stated. "It must seek out the attention of the enemy nation through every available medium, and it must strike at the nation's potential soldiers before they put on their uniforms. It is in their homes and their communities that they are most vulnerable to MindWar....

"To this end," Vallely and co-author continued, "MindWar must be strategic in emphasis, with tactical applications playing a reinforcing, supplementary role. In its strategic context, MindWar must reach out to friends, enemies, and neutrals alike across the globe—neither through primitive 'battlefield' leaflets and loudspeakers of PSYOP nor through the weak, imprecise, and narrow effort of psychotronics—but through the media possessed by the United States which have the capabilities to reach virtually all people on the face of the Earth. These media are, of course the electronic media—television and radio. State of the art developments in satellite communication, video recording techniques, and laser and optical transmission of broadcasts make possible a penetration of the minds of the world such as would have been inconceivable just a few years ago. Like the sword Excalibur [King Arthur's magical sword—ed.], we have but to reach out and seize this tool; and it can transform the world for us if we have the courage and the integrity to enhance civilization with it. If we do not accept Excalibur, then we relinquish our ability to inspire foreign cultures with our morality. If they can then desire moralities unsatisfactory to us, we have no choice but to fight them on a more brutish level.

"MindWar must target all participants to be effective. It must not only weaken the enemy; it must strengthen the United States. It strengthens the United States by denying enemy propaganda access to our people, and by explaining and emphasizing to our people the rationale for our national interest in a specific war."

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#2766 Feb 6, 2013
Barry O wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow! We are now rewriting history. Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini hated Carter so much for allowing the shah to come to the US, that he purposely waited till Reagan was inaugurated as president to release the hostages.
I believe they are rewriting history just look to Texas over the controversy who sets the standard for the rest of the United States.

Texas Conservatives Win Curriculum Change

Rewriting History in Texas

Published: March 15, 2010

Gwinn, MI

#2767 Feb 6, 2013
Step by step, this movie proves that JFK’s assassination was perpetrated by forces within our own government.

The author of this documentary takes it even a step further and shows how George Bush Senior is connected to the murder of JFK.

A thoroughly documented criminal indictment of George Herbert Walker Bush, establishing beyond a reasonable doubt, his guilt as a supervisor in the conspiracy to murder John Kennedy.

Relies exclusively on government documents and the publicly acknowledged statements and histories of the guilty parties.

The most shocking thing about the assassination is not the brutality of it.

It was brutal, certainly. But the most amazing thing is the way the established media today managed to pretend that there is any question about whether his murder was a conspiracy. JFK II reveals the truth about the JFK assassination on November 22, 1963. Still today, over forty years later, the official government story featuring the “magic bullet theory” is considered part of history.

Gwinn, MI

#2768 Feb 6, 2013
Operation Mockingbirdv Primary Sources v
In 1948 Frank Wisner was appointed director of the Office of Special Projects. Soon afterwards it was renamed the Office of Policy Coordination (OPC). This became the espionage and counter-intelligence branch of the Central Intelligence Agency. Wisner was told to create an organization that concentrated on "propaganda, economic warfare; preventive direct action, including sabotage, anti-sabotage, demolition and evacuation measures; subversion against hostile states, including assistance to underground resistance groups, and support of indigenous anti-Communist elements in threatened countries of the free world."

Later that year Wisner established Mockingbird, a program to influence the domestic American media. Wisner recruited Philip Graham (Washington Post) to run the project within the industry. Graham himself recruited others who had worked for military intelligence during the war. This included James Truitt, Russell Wiggins, Phil Geyelin, John Hayes and Alan Barth. Others like Stewart Alsop, Joseph Alsop and James Reston, were recruited from within the Georgetown Set. According to Deborah Davis (Katharine the Great): "By the early 1950s, Wisner 'owned' respected members of the New York Times, Newsweek, CBS and other communications vehicles."

In 1951 Allen W. Dulles persuaded Cord Meyer to join the CIA. However, there is evidence that he was recruited several years earlier and had been spying on the liberal organizations he had been a member of in the later 1940s. According to Deborah Davis, Meyer became Mockingbird's "principal operative".

One of the most important journalists under the control of Operation Mockingbird was Joseph Alsop, whose articles appeared in over 300 different newspapers. Other journalists willing to promote the views of the CIA included Stewart Alsop (New York Herald Tribune), Ben Bradlee (Newsweek), James Reston (New York Times), C. D. Jackson (Time Magazine), Walter Pincus (Washington Post), Walter Winchell (New York Daily Mirror), Drew Pearson, Walter Lippmann, William Allen White, Edgar Ansel Mowrer (Chicago Daily News), Hal Hendrix (Miami News), Whitelaw Reid (New York Herald Tribune), Jerry O'Leary (Washington Star), William C. Baggs (Miami News), Herb Gold (Miami News) and Charles L. Bartlett (Chattanooga Times). According to Nina Burleigh (A Very Private Woman) these journalists sometimes wrote articles that were commissioned by Frank Wisner. The CIA also provided them with classified information to help them with their work.

Oakland, CA

#2769 Feb 6, 2013
Barry O wrote:
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When I speak of the weak response, I am not speaking of the rescue attempt, but Carter's initial response to the crisis. The hostage crisis started in Nov 1979, but the rescue was not attempted till April 1980. The rescue order was purely political due to low ratings Carter was suffering, because of his perceived weak image.
The Carter administration truly had no viable option for quickly ending the crisis; they had no choice but to fall back on the customary default position, economic sanctions. Washington imposed a ban on further purchases of Iran’s oil and on all trade, with the exception of food and medicine. They also froze Iran’s assets in the United States. Carter’s legitimate insistence that the hostages must be kept alive and safely released further narrowed his options. The prevailing military contingencies focused on punitive strikes against Iran’s military and economic targets. Such strikes were quickly shelved because they could trigger a terrible Iranian retaliation—the killing of the hostages. The alternative measure of imposing a naval blockade on Iran would similarly lead to the loss of American and Iranian lives without necessarily bringing about a peaceful resolution of the crisis. Moreover, such a strategy would have provoked Iranian retaliation against the oil traffic in the Persian Gulf, leading to catastrophically high gas and oil prices. The Carter administration opted for a high-risk military rescue mission, Operation Eagle Claw. The planned operation was logistically complex and had been in the works for more than six months. At the time there were no Special Ops teams trained for unconventional desert war fare, no Navy Seals such as the Bin Laden assault team – it had to be invented and it took many months of training and preparation. Though the odds were against the mission’s success, Carter was devastated when he had to abort the mission due to three malfunctioning helicopters.

Gwinn, MI

#2771 Feb 6, 2013
The October Surprise Mystery

(For articles after May 1, 2011, go to homepage and see Categories: October Surprise.)

The Original Eight-Part Series --'October Surprise X-Files'

The Russian Report
What the KGB knew about the October Surprise mystery, but the American people didn't.(12-11-95)

The Ladies Room Secrets
How historic secrets about this political era were recovered from a remote Capitol Hill wash room.(12-21-95)

Bill Casey's Iranian
What FBI wiretaps captured about secret payments from BCCI and a Bush-connected lawyer to an Iranian "double-agent."(12-3 1-95)

Follow the Money
How some of the world's most secretive and powerful players joined forces to fix the pivotal 1980 election.(1-15-96)

Saddam's 'Green Light'
What a "top secret" report reveals about the origins of the bloody Iran-Iraq War.(1-31-96)

Where's Bill Casey
How the national news media and Congress "debunked" the October Surprise allegations by adopting bogus alibis for Bill Casey.(2-14-96)

Bush & a CIA Power Play
What CIA veterans and former CIA director George Bush did to regain The White House in the 1980s.(2-29-96)

Lies Spun into History
How absurd alibis became part of the October Surprise historical record.(3-14-96)

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