How do we protect kids in school?

Jan 8, 2013 Full story: Ruidoso News 6,103

During a newsroom discussion about guns about a decade ago, a woman piped up: "I don't understand what the big deal is.

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Blind Simpleton

Albuquerque, NM

#1858 Apr 2, 2013
DavidQ762 wrote:
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You have NO IDEA of what you even wrote.
"There is no constitutional right to be protected by the state (or Federal) against being murdered by criminals or madmen. It is monstrous if the state fails to protect its residents against such predators but it does not violate the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, or, we suppose, any other provision of the Constitution. The Constitution is a charter of negative liberties: it tells the state (gov't) to let people alone; it does not require the federal government or the state to provide services, even so elementary a service as maintaining law and order"
(Bowers v. DeVito, U.S. Court of Appeals, Seventh Circuit, 686F.2d 616 [1982]).
Take a hike, dolt.
And you have a diploma....that says volumes....
Sir Bucking Fastard

UK

#1859 Apr 2, 2013
Blind Simpleton wrote:
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Let's go back to the class you 'supposedly' passed in order to graduate from high school. It's called the Constitution of the United States of America... the one you're referring to is the 2nd one. It's not rocket science, it's our right as an American Citizen. Those rights are set in stone. Period. You want to change them? You're going to have to do a lot more than 'opine' on a newspaper blog. The threat? Now, if and when, the obvious ever happens 'again'(911)....and another country tries to control or 'infringe' on our soil, who are you going to call....the military? Yep, but only if they aren't already involved in a world war...now, who do you call? That little statute is also in the Constitution. That's why we have an elected Sheriff. His job? To protect you. His oath? Look it up. You? Get educated. You're pathetic. Bet they're trained and ready for any emergency...but then, you probsbly don't know that...you're sitting at a computer....internet surfer? Google it.
YOU are 'playing' BOTH sides of the railroad tracks.

I get the impression that YOU are a GOVERNMENT agent provocateur, playing one side off against the other.

Jacobin much?

Only YOU know for sure!
Sir Bucking Fastard

UK

#1860 Apr 2, 2013
Blind Simpleton wrote:
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And you have a diploma....that says volumes....
SAYS THE JACOBIN!

Revelations!
American

Albuquerque, NM

#1861 Apr 2, 2013
Sir Bucking Fastard wrote:
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SAYS THE JACOBIN!
Revelations!
What? read the Constitution...then, if you have the opportunity to 'google' the local elected Sheriff's oath, educate yourself on that as well....call yourself if someone is breaking into your home...or harrassing your student, or robbing your local convenience store, or etc....idiot. That's not in 'revelations'...it's in the Constitution of the United States of America...that's why it's there...to protect idiots like you from attacks, foreign and domestic...last line of defense...in any case, supporters or not, it's their job...to defend you. You have the right to your opinions. But, in the end, who do you call in case of any emergency? JACOBIN? What? Call 911..they'll get there faster...they have a sworn duty.
Sir Bucking Fastard

UK

#1862 Apr 2, 2013
American wrote:
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What? read the Constitution...then, if you have the opportunity to 'google' the local elected Sheriff's oath, educate yourself on that as well....call yourself if someone is breaking into your home...or harrassing your student, or robbing your local convenience store, or etc....idiot. That's not in 'revelations'...it's in the Constitution of the United States of America...that's why it's there...to protect idiots like you from attacks, foreign and domestic...last line of defense...in any case, supporters or not, it's their job...to defend you. You have the right to your opinions. But, in the end, who do you call in case of any emergency? JACOBIN? What? Call 911..they'll get there faster...they have a sworn duty.
SAYS THE JACOBIN!

Revelations!

“HUNTING RIGHTS ADVOCATE”

Since: Oct 08

Boggy Creek

#1866 Apr 3, 2013
Blind Simpleton wrote:
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Let's go back to the class you 'supposedly' passed in order to graduate from high school. It's called the Constitution of the United States of America... the one you're referring to is the 2nd one. It's not rocket science, it's our right as an American Citizen. Those rights are set in stone. Period. You want to change them? You're going to have to do a lot more than 'opine' on a newspaper blog. The threat? Now, if and when, the obvious ever happens 'again'(911)....and another country tries to control or 'infringe' on our soil, who are you going to call....the military? Yep, but only if they aren't already involved in a world war...now, who do you call? That little statute is also in the Constitution. That's why we have an elected Sheriff. His job? To protect you. His oath? Look it up. You? Get educated. You're pathetic. Bet they're trained and ready for any emergency...but then, you probsbly don't know that...you're sitting at a computer....internet surfer? Google it.
I have taken that same oath.......on several occasions. "To protect the Constitution of the United States from all enemies foreign or domestic." I have taken it very seriously too. The 2nd amendment states "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." If an elected official attempts to restrict or abrogate any part of that document he/she becomes a domestic enemy of the constitution. The constitution cannot be "voted out" either. That's why America is a democratic REPUBLIC rather than a pure democracy, to protect our individual rights from the fickle winds of "mob rule". You are correct, it ain't rocket science but trying to figure out exactly what your question is may as well be quantum physics. Law enforcement can only be expected to act AFTER a crime has been committed. Many LEOs will tell you that the true "first responder" is the honest law abiding citizen. So what is it you are asking? What point are you trying to make?
Wondering

Farmington, NM

#1868 Apr 3, 2013
DavidQ762 wrote:
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Not quite, you treasonous sycophant.
What part of "the Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms shall NOT be infringed" do you NOT understand?
Why do you boot-licking traitors keep whining for more UNCONSTITUTIONAL 'gun control'?
You have refered to "shining" and "licking" boots numerous times. Is it safe to assume that you are very experienced and are quite comfortable on your KNEES in front of men?? How are your tips? Is the IRS receiving their share?
Constitutional

United States

#1869 Apr 3, 2013
I own guns and one of the reasons is becuz I like to carry them. I'm not a little person so I don't really need guns to be macho but they do make me feel powerful and strong. More brave and I even feel taller.

Some people might not like that as a reason why I have guns but it's the truth. I don't have them to protect myself. Basically I just carry them because I like the way I look and feel with guns. I don't see anything wrong with that. Probably more of the fine gun owners in this forum should own up to it.
Constitutional

United States

#1870 Apr 3, 2013
DavidQ762 wrote:
ďAre we at last brought to such a humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our own defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in our own possession and under our own direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?--Patrick Henry, June 9, 1788, Virginia Convention on the ratification of the Constitution
"The great object is, that every man be armed.[...] Every one who is able may have a gun."--Patrick Henry, speech of June 14 1788
I can tell your a fine American DavidQ. How many guns do you own? Are you like me that guns make you feel bigger and stronger? You seem strong enough to admit it.
Blind Simpleton

Albuquerque, NM

#1872 Apr 3, 2013
Squach wrote:
<quoted text>I have taken that same oath.......on several occasions. "To protect the Constitution of the United States from all enemies foreign or domestic." I have taken it very seriously too. The 2nd amendment states "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." If an elected official attempts to restrict or abrogate any part of that document he/she becomes a domestic enemy of the constitution. The constitution cannot be "voted out" either. That's why America is a democratic REPUBLIC rather than a pure democracy, to protect our individual rights from the fickle winds of "mob rule". You are correct, it ain't rocket science but trying to figure out exactly what your question is may as well be quantum physics. Law enforcement can only be expected to act AFTER a crime has been committed. Many LEOs will tell you that the true "first responder" is the honest law abiding citizen. So what is it you are asking? What point are you trying to make?
You've lost the point. What I said was, "They took an oath". Study that oath...you claim to have taken that oath yourself? Don't think so....the American Government is set up as a REPUBLIC...and as such....the oath is set forth for all top law enforcement officials. Now, as to whether or not their job is 'response' vs 'protection'....give me a break...call 911 before you've been robbed? Read up bubba. Think it through. There's a reason they swear to their oath. To ALL THREATS FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC...What did that mean to our forefathers? That we'll never, on American soil, ever face any force/militia keeping us/American citizens from protecting our homes, our families, period. First 'responder' my ass. With budget cuts and such, who will you count on to protect you and your family? It's no longer a 911 system that can (within the budget constraints) answer every call in a timely manner....sit and wait while your family is robbed and killed....hide under the bed...or...protect yourself and your family. Get educated. Take a consumer safety course. A self-defense course. Get a gun. Learn how to use it, how to store it, and how to protect yourself and your family, safely. Now sir, that's not rocket science. Depend on others to do your job for you? You'll have to wait....it's all about budgets and manpower...and, hopefully, they took an 'oath'.
Blind Simpleton

Albuquerque, NM

#1873 Apr 3, 2013
Constitutional wrote:
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I can tell your a fine American DavidQ. How many guns do you own? Are you like me that guns make you feel bigger and stronger? You seem strong enough to admit it.
Bigger and stronger.....yep. I've done my job. I own and protect my firearms. I'm educated in using a gun. My job is to register my firearms and be a learned user. You sit and spin sir/madaam. When and if the occasion ever arrises that you are faced with a home invader/robber...hide under the bed and 'wait' for the result. Or, protect your home and family. Take away my rights as a citizen of the United States of America to bear arms? Not gonna happen. You don't have a point. Just a weak insult. We're talking about our 2nd ammendment Constitutional rights. Peck away at little bits...that's your agenda. Bottom line? Where will you go after you've crushed what our forefathers visioned? They knew. They carefully crafted our Constitution. They came from governments of complete CONTROL and tyranny. That's why our Constitution is worded the way it is. To protect every citizen in every circumstance the right to protect his/her home and hearth. It's called FREEDOM. There is no other country in the world that allows it's citizens the same freedoms we enjoy. Who will step in to protect those freedoms? Each and every elected official who took that oath. Who put them in a position of protecting each and every citizen in their purvue? Every eligible voter in their district. Don't like it? Move. We like it here. We have a legacy to uphold. A free country. We aim to keep it that way.
Wondering

Farmington, NM

#1877 Apr 4, 2013
DavidQ762 wrote:
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Take a hike, you simplistic child.
The truth hurt, didn't it?
You have failed to impress anyone.
Constitutional

Scottsdale, AZ

#1878 Apr 4, 2013
I agree with everything u said. Guns keep us free and I enjoy how people look with their guns same as with me. No one better try to take my guns from me.
Blind Simpleton wrote:
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Bigger and stronger.....yep. I've done my job. I own and protect my firearms. I'm educated in using a gun. My job is to register my firearms and be a learned user. You sit and spin sir/madaam. When and if the occasion ever arrises that you are faced with a home invader/robber...hide under the bed and 'wait' for the result. Or, protect your home and family. Take away my rights as a citizen of the United States of America to bear arms? Not gonna happen. You don't have a point. Just a weak insult. We're talking about our 2nd ammendment Constitutional rights. Peck away at little bits...that's your agenda. Bottom line? Where will you go after you've crushed what our forefathers visioned? They knew. They carefully crafted our Constitution. They came from governments of complete CONTROL and tyranny. That's why our Constitution is worded the way it is. To protect every citizen in every circumstance the right to protect his/her home and hearth. It's called FREEDOM. There is no other country in the world that allows it's citizens the same freedoms we enjoy. Who will step in to protect those freedoms? Each and every elected official who took that oath. Who put them in a position of protecting each and every citizen in their purvue? Every eligible voter in their district. Don't like it? Move. We like it here. We have a legacy to uphold. A free country. We aim to keep it that way.
Get Out

Jacksonville, NC

#1881 Apr 5, 2013
Train and arm school staff and teachers to respond to an active shooter.

“O'er the land of the free ? ”

Since: Jan 09

Don't Tread On Me

#1883 Apr 5, 2013
Get Out wrote:
Train and arm school staff and teachers to respond to an active shooter.
This is the worst possible solution.

Teachers are not cops .

What is your next solution after an accidental shootings buy a teacher becomes normal because they don't have the experience to handle firearms in crowded situations.

Are you going to give teachers zero liability ?

Are you going to introduce guns in to school systems that have never had a shooting ,just in case.

Why not make teachers: firefighters , paramedics , child abuse detectives ?

“O'er the land of the free ? ”

Since: Jan 09

Don't Tread On Me

#1885 Apr 5, 2013
DavidQ762 wrote:
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Yet you trust them to shape the mind of you child, hmmmmmm.....
How do you know who I trust ?
Wondering

Farmington, NM

#1889 Apr 5, 2013
DavidQ762 wrote:
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Yet you trust them to shape the mind of you child, hmmmmmm.....
And look what they did to you!!!! You cannot personally make a very strong case for the competence of teachers...too busy licking and shining boots.
xando

Gilbert, AZ

#1891 Apr 6, 2013
"Arm teachers." "Teach them to use a gun." "Train them to be security guards."

Just shows how out of touch some if you nutjobs are. School budgets are slashed and bare bones right now. Do you really think there will be monies to train and arm teachers, AND compensate them through pay increases to perform extra duty? NM school districts have not seen wage increases for teachers in quite some time because there is no money.

Dolt.

“HUNTING RIGHTS ADVOCATE”

Since: Oct 08

Boggy Creek

#1892 Apr 6, 2013
xando wrote:
"Arm teachers." "Teach them to use a gun." "Train them to be security guards."
Just shows how out of touch some if you nutjobs are. School budgets are slashed and bare bones right now. Do you really think there will be monies to train and arm teachers, AND compensate them through pay increases to perform extra duty? NM school districts have not seen wage increases for teachers in quite some time because there is no money.
Dolt.
I suppose you think there is plenty of money to hire more LEOs and enforce a bunch of new unnecessary gun regulations when they haven't been able to enforce the gun regulations already in place.

Xandolt.
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#1893 Apr 6, 2013
Where Is My America wrote:
<quoted text>This is the worst possible solution.
Teachers are not cops .
What is your next solution after an accidental shootings buy a teacher becomes normal because they don't have the experience to handle firearms in crowded situations.
Are you going to give teachers zero liability ?
Are you going to introduce guns in to school systems that have never had a shooting ,just in case.
Why not make teachers: firefighters , paramedics , child abuse detectives ?
At least make it an option for them to carry. I know many teachers who own guns, hunt, and target shoot. At the range I've seen a few shoot better than some cops who show up. Your child is in their care for 8 hours a day and you trust them so why not with a gun? I don't believe in forcing them to carry but many have the experience handling guns and are wanting the right to carry (at no cost to the tax payer). I say let each school make their own choice and the teachers be allowed the same rights as the average person in any situation. I carry daily and yes I'm around children among others. Over 90,000,000 gun owners have never killed or injured anyone. To bust your bubble, more teachers carry than you think, they just keep their mouth shut about it.

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