How do we protect kids in school?

Jan 8, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Ruidoso News

During a newsroom discussion about guns about a decade ago, a woman piped up: "I don't understand what the big deal is.

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Hill billy delux

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That was a ne slaper
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Properly train and arm willing Faculty members or Staff members to respond to an active shooter. Response time for police at Sandy Hook was 20 Minutes. Response time for trained faculty or staff members could have been within seconds.

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2012/12/us/san...
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I doubt that will happen any time soon. School budgets are slashed, teachers and staff have not had salary increases in a long time, and supplies and materials are limited. Staff and teachers would need to be compensated to take on yet another responsibility and risk.
No money.

Dream on.
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Properly train and arm willing Faculty members or Staff members to respond to an active shooter. Response time for police at Sandy Hook was 20 Minutes. Response time for trained faculty or staff members could have been within seconds.
http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2012/12/us/san...
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Hill billy delux = Cary Nickels delux
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xando wrote:
I doubt that will happen any time soon. School budgets are slashed, teachers and staff have not had salary increases in a long time, and supplies and materials are limited. Staff and teachers would need to be compensated to take on yet another responsibility and risk.
No money.
Dream on.
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Don't need money...eliminate the "Gun Free Zones"...the rest will take care of itself.
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http://www.k12academics.com/school-shootings/...
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Don't need money...eliminate the "Gun Free Zones"...the rest will take care of itself.
Take a minute (or however long it takes you to sound out a word) and read through the info in the link above.

It appears the 2nd deadliest school shooting in history occurred in the 1980's, well before gun free zones popped up anywhere. In fact, there were school shootings--many of them--dating back to the 1700's.

There was a brief decline in the early 1990's (also before gun free zones), and then shootings spiked after Columbine.
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I meant to say, the 2nd deadliest school shooting in US history occurred in the 1980's. Newtown is now 2nd.
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I meant to say, the 2nd deadliest school shooting in US history occurred in the 1980's. Newtown is now 2nd.
And yet the DEADLIEST school killing didn't even involve a gun. The highest body counts in mass killings in the U.S don't involve guns. FBI building, 9/11, Bombing of the Los Angeles Times Building, 1920 Wall Street Bombing, Bombing of USS Cole, Anthrax Letter Attacks, Salmonella attack in Oregon. From September 9-19, 1984, several hundred people were deliberately poisoned by salmonella spores, Mid-Air Bombing of Pan Am Flight 103, 1st World Trade Center Bombing.
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Yes, and guess what-- they all took place before the gun free zones.

Regarding school murders, guns are by far the most frequently used weapon.
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<quoted text> And yet the DEADLIEST school killing didn't even involve a gun. The highest body counts in mass killings in the U.S don't involve guns. FBI building, 9/11, Bombing of the Los Angeles Times Building, 1920 Wall Street Bombing, Bombing of USS Cole, Anthrax Letter Attacks, Salmonella attack in Oregon. From September 9-19, 1984, several hundred people were deliberately poisoned by salmonella spores, Mid-Air Bombing of Pan Am Flight 103, 1st World Trade Center Bombing.
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xando wrote:
Yes, and guess what-- they all took place before the gun free zones.
Regarding school murders, guns are by far the most frequently used weapon.
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At his point in history that would be correct however guns are used by far more in defense than murders at this point in history. Humans have always killed each other and to think simply removing one tool would have any effect on that is just ignoring the problem. The problem is human nature not the tool used. Remove one tool we simply adapt a new one, most of the time a much worse or more efficient one. Everyone wants an answer to the problem of human violence including gun owners. The vast majority of gun owners have no wish to harm anyone but are realistic that humans do attack one another and to have the tools to defend from that attack is prudent. So just how do we change human nature and remove the "killer" lurking in all humans? I'm not sure there is an answer but untill that day comes I plan on keeping my guns to protect myself from those who have no problem ignoring laws or moral standards expected of them in society.
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xando wrote:
Yes, and guess what-- they all took place before the gun free zones.
Regarding school murders, guns are by far the most frequently used weapon.
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School murders are truly horrific but to single out "school" murders is over simplifying the problem. They don't attack schools to harm a school but the lashing out against society in general with the most violent means they can find. You must remember many of these mass killers end up taking their own life in the process so they are very committed to their actions. Schools being undefended just gives them an easy target. Even arming schools or removing guns does nothing to change human nature maybe just change the target or method used to inflict death on others. There is no place on this planet or it's history that does not have humans committing violence against each other. The location of the violence does not change the motivation behind it. Untill we can overcome nature and the violent tendency of humans then the best option is to provide a defense against that violence. You can't stop the rain (that's just nature) but you can buy an umbrella.
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xando wrote:
Yes, and guess what-- they all took place before the gun free zones.
Regarding school murders, guns are by far the most frequently used weapon.
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Do tell...that would be the Federal Law, "Gun Free Zone"...what were the State Laws...how many States had open carry or even concealed carry laws on the books...? We NOW have all 50 States having some form of concealed carry...Illinois being the last and mandated by the courts. We may not have had the "Gun Free Zone" law at the time, but there were still many restrictions in the way of legally carrying a gun at a school.

I do remember carrying a gun in my vehicle going to high school but times have changed. It's not so much the guns or gun laws that have changed...it's the attitudes towards life, the lack of social morals...the decay of respect for the life and rights of others.

There are those that are so willing to take your life just for a $30 watch...and those that are in a position of power to deny you the right to defend yourself, your family or your home...and those that are willing to give away their own freedoms anf to let someone else be responsible for your safety and security, and they believe that all others should give them up as well.

Well I'm NOT about to give up my rights...my responsibilities...my guns to you, any gov't agency or even the President if he knocked on my door demanding my guns. So there you go...I'll be keeping my rights and my guns.
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Yeah, I know, but I was not referring to the law; I was referring to the zone. If you'd like, I could help you out by editing all your posts. They're usually riddled with errors--and they're always the same ones C. Nickels makes.

As you said, morals have changed, but that's not the point. You idiots make the statement that we need to get rid of gun free zones, and when it's pointed out that is a stupid statement, you want to wiggle out of your stupidity. Sorry. You can't. You're just stupid. Nothing seems to help that.

Once again..........no one is trying to take your guns. More people in the US purchase, own, and carry guns than ever in our history, you pathetic, paranoid thing.
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Do tell...that would be the Federal Law, "Gun Free Zone"...what were the State Laws...how many States had open carry or even concealed carry laws on the books...? We NOW have all 50 States having some form of concealed carry...Illinois being the last and mandated by the courts. We may not have had the "Gun Free Zone" law at the time, but there were still many restrictions in the way of legally carrying a gun at a school.
I do remember carrying a gun in my vehicle going to high school but times have changed. It's not so much the guns or gun laws that have changed...it's the attitudes towards life, the lack of social morals...the decay of respect for the life and rights of others.
There are those that are so willing to take your life just for a $30 watch...and those that are in a position of power to deny you the right to defend yourself, your family or your home...and those that are willing to give away their own freedoms anf to let someone else be responsible for your safety and security, and they believe that all others should give them up as well.
Well I'm NOT about to give up my rights...my responsibilities...my guns to you, any gov't agency or even the President if he knocked on my door demanding my guns. So there you go...I'll be keeping my rights and my guns.
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Yes, I know, but you answered in the context of the conversation, which was school shootings and gun free zones.

Try to keep up.
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<quoted text> School murders are truly horrific but to single out "school" murders is over simplifying the problem. They don't attack schools to harm a school but the lashing out against society in general with the most violent means they can find. You must remember many of these mass killers end up taking their own life in the process so they are very committed to their actions. Schools being undefended just gives them an easy target. Even arming schools or removing guns does nothing to change human nature maybe just change the target or method used to inflict death on others. There is no place on this planet or it's history that does not have humans committing violence against each other. The location of the violence does not change the motivation behind it. Untill we can overcome nature and the violent tendency of humans then the best option is to provide a defense against that violence. You can't stop the rain (that's just nature) but you can buy an umbrella.
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Tray wrote:
<quoted text> At his point in history that would be correct however guns are used by far more in defense than murders at this point in history.
That idea, as you stated it, is incorrect.
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Drivers pay the MAJORITY of the cost of highways/roads in the form of registrations on vehicles and taxes on gasoline. Hunters pay the MAJORITY of the cost of wildlife management in the form of fees and licenses.

Wouldn't it make sense that gun owners pay the MAJORITY of the costs associated with security associated with real or potential gun violence? I would like to see more armed security guards at schools, but feel that gun owners should pay the MAJORITY of increased costs with fees and taxes on guns and ammo.
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Logical.
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xando wrote:
Yes, I know, but you answered in the context of the conversation, which was school shootings and gun free zones.
Try to keep up.
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The topic is violence. You can't address violence only in one area. Schools are "self defense free zones" not just no gun zones. You can't carry a knife, sword, bow, crossbow, spear, large club or any other weapon on school grounds. In case you were not keeping up, guns are already illegal on school property and is ignored by killers so just what other law do you want? Oh wait, it's the banning of all guns everywhere. But that would be outside of the topic of only "school shootings".
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Logical.
Use the "smoking cessation model": education, propaganda,free zones and tax.
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xando wrote:
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That idea, as you stated it, is incorrect.
The lowest is 85,000 and the highest is 2,500,000 times per year. Even the lowest is many times higher than murders with guns. A U.S. Department of Justice Survey released in 1994,“Guns in America,” estimated that 1.5 million defensive gun uses each year, and that's a government number. Look it up yourself.

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