How do we protect kids in school?

Jan 8, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Ruidoso News

During a newsroom discussion about guns about a decade ago, a woman piped up: "I don't understand what the big deal is.

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<quoted text>My goodness you are as sarcastic as you are wrong.
"Sturm Ruger, known especially for its handguns, had a yearlong promotion in which it gave the NRA a dollar for each gun sold. The total exceeded $1.2 million.
Beretta USA gave $1 million to support Second Amendment lawsuits.
And the CEO of Cabela's, the big-box chain that sells sports and outdoors gear, gave the NRA $1 million cash. He was inducted into the association's Golden Ring of Freedom for top donors."
http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2012/...
Iíll mention that MidwayUSA has a customer initiated voluntary NRA Round-up donation program too. I order a lot of reloading bullets, reloading components and shooting supplies from them. I always round-up at least $5.00 to the NRA with my order. BTW my next order is going to be a long eye relief hunting/ shooting scope for my 98K 8MM Mauser so thereís another $5.00 donation to the NRA.
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"I named three that did give money to the NRA as per the link that I gave."
So rather than challenge an unfounded statement as another poster did...you attack the other poster, by supporting the unfounded claim with only 3 companies that gave the NRA money.(Embellishment)
"The rest of the industry could have given the NRA money, for all I know."
But you don't know...do you..?
"I gather that even tho you're not a member of the NRA, you support their ideas and tactics. Is that true?"
Some...not all...they are too willing to compromise away MY individual rights. I prefer the GOA.
I just checked out the GOA website. Looks like Iíll be joining GOA and support them as well, thanks.
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Iíll mention that MidwayUSA has a customer initiated voluntary NRA Round-up donation program too. I order a lot of reloading bullets, reloading components and shooting supplies from them. I always round-up at least $5.00 to the NRA with my order. BTW my next order is going to be a long eye relief hunting/ shooting scope for my 98K 8MM Mauser so thereís another $5.00 donation to the NRA.
A little here, a lot there. The NRA has lots of money to play with; that's what makes them such a powerful political controller. Guns and gun accessories is a huge money industry in the US. As such, it is very difficult to control.
But, things change.They are dependent on customers like you (the average gun enthusiast) for their survival. From what I have recently read, you are a dying breed. I imagine from your prospective, that isn't true. Time will tell. The market place giveth and the market place taketh away.
In the mean time, anti-gun groups are obtaining more and more funding that is used to neutralize the NRA. People like me are making monthly donations. We know it takes money to fight money.
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You missed it again...HELLER changed DC finding the handgun ban unconstitutional...BUT reaffirmed the INDIVIDUAL right everywhere. MCDONALD vs Chicago incorporated the 2nd Amendment under the 14th Amendment...that affects ALL the States and ALL the local gov'ts.
I think I've got it this time. Thanks to you. To this point in time, attempts have been made to "control" fire arms through legislation. As long as the 2nd is there, that approach simply won't work. Also, the NRA has developed the tactic for their control of guns of controlling the politicians. We can't fight those two things.
We anti-gun people need to quit slamming our head against a brick wall and develop another tactic to get what we want.
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factologist wrote:
<quoted text>A little here, a lot there. The NRA has lots of money to play with; that's what makes them such a powerful political controller. Guns and gun accessories is a huge money industry in the US. As such, it is very difficult to control.
But, things change.They are dependent on customers like you (the average gun enthusiast) for their survival. From what I have recently read, you are a dying breed. I imagine from your prospective, that isn't true. Time will tell. The market place giveth and the market place taketh away.
In the mean time, anti-gun groups are obtaining more and more funding that is used to neutralize the NRA. People like me are making monthly donations. We know it takes money to fight money.
Youíll never get our guns. BTW I wouldnít call $1.00 donation per gun purchase by Ruger a dying breed according to you earlier post, 1.2 million guns are in the hands of private citizens. Even doing away with the 2A which is your goal youíll never get the guns without a brutal fight. Will you be volunteering to go house to house to confiscate guns because many in the military and LEOís will be on our side?
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I just checked out the GOA website. Looks like Iíll be joining GOA and support them as well, thanks.
Good for you...I really like Larry Pratt...you're welcome.
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Youíll never get our guns. BTW I wouldnít call $1.00 donation per gun purchase by Ruger a dying breed according to you earlier post, 1.2 million guns are in the hands of private citizens. Even doing away with the 2A which is your goal youíll never get the guns without a brutal fight. Will you be volunteering to go house to house to confiscate guns because many in the military and LEOís will be on our side?
Nobody will have to go house to house. This isn't Nazi Germany. There are other ways to get the guns off the streets. That is the real goal. Not to confiscate your guns. I believe that most people with guns now are responsible enough to control their guns and keep them out of the hands of the psychos and bad guys.(Except for Lanza's mother, of course). The real issue is not with your guns but the availability of guns to people who shouldn't have guns.
As far as the 2nd is concerned it continues to stand in the way of that goal. So that issue has to be factored into the control process. And, the NRA needs to be put out of control of the politicians.
After today, I'm encouraged that we will make progress toward getting rid of the ARs and large cap. mag along with universal background checks for all guns, elimination of straw-man purchases and a couple other things.(read the Feinstien proposal). The majority of people want that. It will happen, either now or soon. Now before you start squirming, any legislation passed now won't include confiscation. You won't live to see that day.
But, the elimination of all guns from our society will take a lot of time and has to occur either with limited legislation that works around the 2nd or by repealing the 2nd altogether.
But not to worry. You can die with your guns-and hopefully buried-if you so choose. So shoot'em up, cowboy.

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Gladly. Legislation does nothing to curb violence from criminals. It does nothing to get the guns out of criminals hands..
Actually. That's a myth. It does.

Gun crime is down 59% in Australia since they banned guns, and it is almost nonexistent in Japan now.

It takes time, but if guns are hard to get for everyone else, they are harder to get for criminals too.

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Youíll never get our guns.
Well sure we will! People said, "You'll never get me to stop drinking and driving!" But when that killed too many innocent citizens, we all changed. You don't drink and drive, do you?

Now too many innocent citizens are dying from guns. They'll go away too.

Get used to it, it's the 21st century, the days of the Wild West are over. There are 300,000,000 million people in the U.S. Having them all armed is no longer either a necessity or a smart idea. It might have been when we needed a "militia" to protect us, but we have nuclear weapons now.
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Well sure we will! People said, "You'll never get me to stop drinking and driving!" But when that killed too many innocent citizens, we all changed. You don't drink and drive, do you?
Now too many innocent citizens are dying from guns. They'll go away too.
Get used to it, it's the 21st century, the days of the Wild West are over. There are 300,000,000 million people in the U.S. Having them all armed is no longer either a necessity or a smart idea. It might have been when we needed a "militia" to protect us, but we have nuclear weapons now.
Although accepting that the historical and contemporaneous use of the phrase ďkeep and bear ArmsĒ often arose in connection with military activities, the Court In District of Columbia v Heller(2008) noted that its use was not limited to those contexts. Further, the Court found that the phrase ďwell regulated MilitiaĒ referred not to formally organized state or federal militias, but to the pool of able-bodied menĒ who were available for conscription. Finally, the Court reviewed contemporaneous state constitutions,post-enactment commentary, and subsequent case law to conclude that the purpose of the right to keep and bear arms extended beyond the context of militia service to include self-defense. In other words you will not take our firearms.It is just one of many liberal wet dreams.
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Actually. That's a myth. It does.
Gun crime is down 59% in Australia since they banned guns, and it is almost nonexistent in Japan now.
It takes time, but if guns are hard to get for everyone else, they are harder to get for criminals too.
The poster said violence in general and you address gun crime only in Australia and Japan. Gun crime is down in the US as is violence in general even though gun ownership has increased dramatically.
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Actually. That's a myth. It does.
Gun crime is down 59% in Australia since they banned guns, and it is almost nonexistent in Japan now.
It takes time, but if guns are hard to get for everyone else, they are harder to get for criminals too.


So gun crime is down in Australia yet violent crime is up.

ABS National Centre for Crime and Justice Statistics director Fiona Dowsley on Tuesday said the number of physical assaults had jumped 44 per cent, from 1.5 million in 2010 to 2011 to 2.2 million in 2011 to 2012.

Read more: http://www.theborneopost.com/2013/02/21/abs-s...

Hey why not, the perp knows the victim isn't armed.
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<quoted text>Nobody will have to go house to house. This isn't Nazi Germany. There are other ways to get the guns off the streets. That is the real goal. Not to confiscate your guns. I believe that most people with guns now are responsible enough to control their guns and keep them out of the hands of the psychos and bad guys.(Except for Lanza's mother, of course). The real issue is not with your guns but the availability of guns to people who shouldn't have guns.
As far as the 2nd is concerned it continues to stand in the way of that goal. So that issue has to be factored into the control process. And, the NRA needs to be put out of control of the politicians.
After today, I'm encouraged that we will make progress toward getting rid of the ARs and large cap. mag along with universal background checks for all guns, elimination of straw-man purchases and a couple other things.(read the Feinstien proposal). The majority of people want that. It will happen, either now or soon. Now before you start squirming, any legislation passed now won't include confiscation. You won't live to see that day.
But, the elimination of all guns from our society will take a lot of time and has to occur either with limited legislation that works around the 2nd or by repealing the 2nd altogether.
But not to worry. You can die with your guns-and hopefully buried-if you so choose. So shoot'em up, cowboy.
This post is full of the very issues we gun owners have with anti-gun advocates. Criminals will always have guns because they arenít law abiding in the first place. You state the 2A stands in the way of gun control and the NRA is the voice and you want that shut down, there goes our free speech of the 1A.

Changing a 10 round magazine doesnít take long, so much for the banning of large capacity magazines.
Straw purchases are already illegal, refer to criminals donít care to follow laws. If my guns get buried itíll only be for future use to reestablish all of our rights from a tyrannical government.
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Well sure we will! People said, "You'll never get me to stop drinking and driving!" But when that killed too many innocent citizens, we all changed. You don't drink and drive, do you?
Now too many innocent citizens are dying from guns. They'll go away too.
Get used to it, it's the 21st century, the days of the Wild West are over. There are 300,000,000 million people in the U.S. Having them all armed is no longer either a necessity or a smart idea. It might have been when we needed a "militia" to protect us, but we have nuclear weapons now.
Are you that far out of touch with reality or just being facetious? People get caught drinking, doing drugs and driving every day. Nuclear weapons are controlled by a government that isnít trusted by the people as it is now.
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A well armed militia and gov military, according to the 2nd, were to be equally armed. Of course, that was to protect against the threat of a tyrannical gov. Why are citizens restricted now? It just doesn't seem fair that gov can have all those nukes and rocket launchers, etc and I can't. Those laws preventing citizens to arm themselves equally to the military are cutting into our freedom. Why hasn't something been done about this? After all, well armed citizens are now no longer a match for a tyrannical gov.

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Well sure we will! People said, "You'll never get me to stop drinking and driving!" But when that killed too many innocent citizens, we all changed. You don't drink and drive, do you?
Now too many innocent citizens are dying from guns. They'll go away too.
Get used to it, it's the 21st century, the days of the Wild West are over. There are 300,000,000 million people in the U.S. Having them all armed is no longer either a necessity or a smart idea. It might have been when we needed a "militia" to protect us, but we have nuclear weapons now.
Yep, It's the 21st century and there is more need to have the people armed now than there ever has been before. We have a president who attempts to ignore the constitution, liberals keep putting criminals/psychos back on the streets, and the enemies of this nation are more numerous and powerful than ever before in history. As to the problem at hand, the way to protect our children in school is not disarming the very people who want to protect them. The way to protect the children is remove the violent criminals and homicidal psychos from our midst. You know it and I know it so why don't you just admit it. You could destroy every single firearm in the country but if you leave the violent criminals and homicidal psychos roaming free.......you've done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to stop/reduce the violence that they visit upon us. You keep referring to drunk driving as an analogy, albeit a very poor one. Well here's a couple of analogies you might just understand. Using your logic; people drink alcohol then drive and kill innocent people. So therefore we should ban and confiscate all alcohol. Do I need to tell you how that worked out when they tried it? Using your logic again; people drink alcohol then drive and kill innocent people. So therefore we should ban and confiscate all automobiles. Think that would work? Now consider the fact that neither consuming alcohol nor owning/driving an automobile are an individual right guaranteed by the constitution. Both of the analogies I listed above would be (or have been) exercises in complete futility. In both analogies an attempt is made to hold the whole of society responsible for the actions of a few. The criminal/psycho population IS a minority, ya know. Banning and confiscating firearms will not address the problem just as the analogies I posed don't address the problem. The problem is the criminal/psycho population. When you address that problem......you solve many others as well. The liberal mind set has been putting violent criminals back on the streets after numerous convictions for years now and the liberal mind set has also been letting the mentally disturbed walk the streets free and unsupervised for years, what did you expect? You liberals don't want to keep violent criminals in prison, you don't want to institutionalize the mentally disturbed, but you want to ban and confiscate my firearms. That doesn't even begin to make any sense. When we address the actual problem, the criminal/psycho population, then and ONLY then will we have done something to stop/reduce the violence. Legislating against honest law abiding citizens who have committed no crimes will only create more problems and make criminals of those who would otherwise be law abiding citizens. You, my friend, and your liberal philosophy are a big part of the problem......not the solution. Can you tell me that our kids wouldn't be safer in schools, malls, and theaters if the majority of the criminal/psycho population is institutionalized?

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xando wrote:
A well armed militia and gov military, according to the 2nd, were to be equally armed. Of course, that was to protect against the threat of a tyrannical gov. Why are citizens restricted now? It just doesn't seem fair that gov can have all those nukes and rocket launchers, etc and I can't. Those laws preventing citizens to arm themselves equally to the military are cutting into our freedom. Why hasn't something been done about this? After all, well armed citizens are now no longer a match for a tyrannical gov.
The second amendment guarantees the right of the people to possess and use "arms" in defense of home and freedom. You can rationalize all you like but the meaning and intent is not only very clear, it is extremely relevant in this tumultuous world. If you want to throw your hands in the air and give up your freedom, feel free to do so. Just don't expect everyone else to follow your lead. No true American will.
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Actually. That's a myth. It does.
Gun crime is down 59% in Australia since they banned guns, and it is almost nonexistent in Japan now.
It takes time, but if guns are hard to get for everyone else, they are harder to get for criminals too.
Violent crime in the United States, to include gun crime, has been goinbg down for the past 20 years...WITHOUT banning guns.

Banning guns and trying to confiscate them will only increase crime and bloodshed.
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This post is full of the very issues we gun owners have with anti-gun advocates. Criminals will always have guns because they arenít law abiding in the first place. You state the 2A stands in the way of gun control and the NRA is the voice and you want that shut down, there goes our free speech of the 1A.
I don't believe I said shut down. As I have repeatedly stated, this isn't Nazi Germany. I don't think the 1st is intended to be a blank check to control politicians, tho. Do you?

Yes, criminals will always have guns, if we never do anything to stop them. Guns are in many aspects of our culture; from suicides to mass murder. But we can change our culture. We have many times before.The fact is, we just don't need guns in our society any more.
Changing a 10 round magazine doesnít take long, so much for the banning of large capacity magazines.
If what you say is true, then you won't mind banning the higher cap. mag.
Straw purchases are already illegal, refer to criminals donít care to follow laws.
Yes, straw-man purchases are currently illegal, I misspoke-sue me- but not well enforced. We need to start enforcing it.We need to restore the ATF.
If my guns get buried itíll only be for future use to reestablish all of our rights from a tyrannical government.
Oh, good grief. Get real.
Just curious tho, what rights do you believe are in jeopardy and from whom?
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Can you tell me that our kids wouldn't be safer in schools, malls, and theaters if the majority of the criminal/psycho population is institutionalized?
Damn you're long winded. But I did want to ask you about your last sentence.
Do you truly believe this is possible?
I mean, what/who do you think are in our prisons now, a bunch of Jesuses?
Our prisons are filled with criminals/psychos-duh-and we trying to find room for more every single day and we still have out of control gun violence. And to complicate matters, since you're so big on rights, the criminals/psychos have to be convicted of something before they can be put there. IOW, they have already killed or maimed someone. So, do you really believe your idea can be implemented?

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