When It Comes To Guns, How Young Is Too Young?

May 2, 2013 Full story: National Public Radio 190

The shooting death of a 2-year-old girl in Kentucky at the hands of her 5-year-old brother has opened up yet another debate about gun control.

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“Shall NOT be infringed!”

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San Jose, CA.

#66 May 25, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Kentucky enacted the first carrying concealed weapon statute in the United States in 1813.
FEDERAL laws, inbred.

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#67 May 25, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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So much for your no gun control.
UNCONSTITUTIONAL and cowardly DemonRat 'gun control' you mean.

"The American fire has proved more deadly in battle than any other; probably because we have been from our earliest years familiar with the use of fire-arms. The inducements, however, to such an use are fast decreasing. The rapid progress of agriculture, accelerated by the uncommon rewards of labour, is, by constant, though almost imperceptible degrees, impairing the efficiency our arms, by lessening the objects for their use."--Joseph Alston, Governor of South Carolina, Nov. 26, 1816 address to the Senate and House of Representatives.[Dec. 14, 1816 Issue of the National Register, No. 16, Vol. 2, Pg. 245]

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#68 May 25, 2013
GunShow1 wrote:
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#69 May 25, 2013
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"If any man attempts to strike me, the law allows me to anticipate the blow. If I cannot prevent his making use of his strength, the law of nature and the law of reason justify me, not in applying to extremes, but if it becomes necessary to my safety, I am to make use of the weapon to prevent the blow, and even to take his life, if necessary to my own safety...."

"...The times are altered, or party violence has become less serious; we see indeed that the spirit of party yet preserves a disposition to assassination, in the threats against Dr. R's life, and that he at the present time has occasion to act on the defensive as every one did at these periods; there is no danger to be apprehended from a man who carries a sword cane or other weapon of defence; there is no law in Pennsylvania to prevent it; every man has a right to carry arms who apprehends himself to be in danger. If every man has a right, was not this gentleman justifiable in putting arms in his pocket, when so special an occasion commanded him?"

- Alexander J. Dallas, TRIAL OF DUANE, REYNOLDS, MOORE AND CUMING, FOR SEDITIOUS RIOT. IN THE COURT OF OYER AND TERMINER FOR THE COUNTY OF PHILADELPHIA. PHILADELPHIA, 1799.[STATE TRIALS OF THE UNITED STATES DURING THE ADMINISTRATIONS OF WASHINGTON AND ADAMS. WITH REFERENCES, HISTORICAL AND PROFESSIONAL, AND PRELIMINARY NOTES ON THE POLITICS OF THE TIMES. BY FRANCIS WHARTON, AUTHOR OF "A TREATISE ON AMERICAN CRIMINAL LAW," ETC. PHILADELPHIA: CAREY AND HART 126 CHESTNUT STREET. 1849.]

(Alexander James Dallas,(June 21, 1759 January 16, 1817), was admitted to the Pennsylvania bar in 1785. When the United States Supreme Court came to Philadelphia in 1791, he would become their first reporter of decisions starting with West v. Barnes (1791). Pennsylvania Governor Thomas Mifflin named Dallas Secretary of the Commonwealth, a post he held from 1791 to 1801. He was then named United States Attorney for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania in 1801, and served until 1814. Dallas also functioned as de facto governor for much of the late 1790s due to the alcoholism of Gov. Mifflin. He helped found the Democratic-Republican party in Pennsylvania, and was an advocate of strict construction of the new Constitution. And replaced Albert Gallatin as the U.S. Treasury Secretary, under President James Madison. Where he reorganized the Treasury Dept., and brought the government budget back into surplus, and advanced the creation of the Second Bank of the United States).

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#70 May 26, 2013
GunShow1 wrote:
1799
"Your intestine is full of Sperm."

_Dirty Hungarian Phrasebook_(1971)

“Shall NOT be infringed!”

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#71 May 26, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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"Your intestine is full of Sperm."
_Dirty Hungarian Phrasebook_(1971)
"In the intervals of toil their amusements consist chiefly of hunting and shooting, in the woods, or on the mountains; whence they acquire prodigious muscular activity and strength. We have no game laws, such as exist in Europe, to prohibit the possession and use of firearms to the great body of the people. Our boys carry a gun almost as soon as they can walk; and the habitual practice of shooting at a target, with the rifle, renders the Americans the most unerring marksmen, and the most deadly musketry in the world; as was singularly evidenced at Bunker's Hill, in the commencement of the revolutionary conflict, and at New-Orleans, at the close of the last war."

- John Bristed,[THE RESOURCES OF THE OF AMERICA; OR, A VIEW OF THE AGRICULTURAL, COMMERCIAL, MANUFACTURING, FINANCIAL, POLITICAL, LITERARY, MORAL AND RELIGIOUS CAPACITY AND CHARACTER or THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. BY JOHN BRISTED, COUNSELLOR AT LAW. AUTHOR OF THE RESOURCES OF THE BRITISH EMPIRE New-York: PUBLISHED BY JAMES EASTBURN & CO. AT THE LITERARY ROOMS, BROADWAY, CORNER OF PINE STREET. Abraham Paul, printer. 1818.]

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#72 May 26, 2013
GunShow1 wrote:
1818.
Vikings: Spam! Lovely spam! Lovely 200 year old spam!

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#74 May 26, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Vikings: Spam! Lovely spam! Lovely 200 year old spam!
"Had I voted against the bill, believing this modern doctrine, should have felt myself bound, as a consistent man, to have gone home and told my constituents that a proposition was made in Congress to relieve them from two millions of their burdens, which I had rejected with scorn, but that I had brought them the glorious remedy of nullification. I knew the temper of that people too well; I knew they were devotedly attached to the Union of these States, as the last hope of liberty upon earth, and that they were not inclined to jeopard it upon a doubtful point of political economy. Whenever sir, I persuade the people whom I represent, to resist the laws of this Government, it will be such resistance as freemen should make, with arms in their hands, and not a pettifogging chicanery through the courts."

- Mr. WILLIAM B. SHEPARD, Jan. 29, 1833, Speech in the U.S. House of Representatives on the Tariff Bill,[REGISTER OF DEBATES IN CONGRESS COMPRISING THE LEADING DEBATES AND INCIDENTS OF THE SECOND SESSION OF THE TWENTY-SECOND CONGRESS: TOGETHER WITH AN APPENDIX, CONTAINING IMPORTANT STATE PAPERS AND PUBLIC DOCUMENTS, AND THE LAWS, OF A PUBLIC NATURE, ENACTED DURING THE SESSION: WITH A COPIOUS INDEX TO THE WHOLE. VOLUME IX. WASHINGTON: PRINTED AND PUBLISHED BY GALES AND SEATON. 1833. Pg. 1440]

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#75 May 26, 2013
GunShow1 wrote:
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Vikings: Spam, spam, spam, lovely 180 year old spam!

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#76 May 26, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Vikings: Spam, spam, spam, lovely 180 year old spam!
"Most of the amendments now offered came from the party opposed to a strong central government. They did not contemplate any radical change, but simply a definition of the power of the central government and its relation to the States. Congress adopted ten of the nearly threescore amendments proposed. They emphasized the freedom of speech, religion and the press, the right to bear arms, the security of the people from unreasonable searches and seizures, and stated that powers not delegated to the United States, nor prohibited to the States by the Constitution are reserved to the States or to the people, and that the fact that certain specific rights are by the Constitution, enumerated as belonging to the people, does not deny or disparage other rights still retained by them. These amendments were adopted by the States."--Arthur Gilman,[A HISTORY OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, BY ARTHUR GILMAN M.A., AUTHOR OF "FIRST STEPS IN GENERAL HISTORY," "FIRST STEPS IN ENGLISH LITERATURE," EDITOR OF THE "POETICAL WORKS OF GEOFFREY CHAUCER," "THE KINGDOM OF HOME," ETC., ETC. I was born an American; I will live an American; I shall die an American, and I intend to perform the duties incumbent upon me in that character to the end of my career.-- Daniel Webster, WITH ILLUSTRATIONS, BOSTON D. LOTHROP AND COMPANY FRANKLIN STREET COR. OF HAWLEY. 1883]

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#77 May 26, 2013
GunShow1 wrote:
1883
Vikings: Spam, spam, spam, lovely 130 year old spam!

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#78 May 26, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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"GENERAL WASHINGTON TO MR. GERRY.

"CAMP AT PENNYBACKERS MILL, SEPT. 27, 1777.

"SIR,

"I am favoured with your's of the 25th. I yesterday wrote you that I did not think myself authorized to seize upon any arms the property of private persons; but if they can be collected and the owners satisfied for them, it would be of very essential service, as great numbers of militia would join the army could they be furnished with arms. I am glad you have began the collection of blankets and shoes; this business cannot be carried to too great an extent and I think if the measure is properly pursued, great quantities of blankets, rugs and coverlids, may be collected in the back counties..."

[The Life of ELBRIDGE GERRY. With Contemporary Letters. TO THE CLOSE OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION. BY JAMES T AUSTIN. BOSTON: WELLS AND LILLY--COURT STREET. 1828.](Elbridge Thomas Gerry,(July, 1744 November 23, 1814), was an American statesman and diplomat. As a Democratic-Republican he was selected as the fifth Vice President of the United States (18131814), serving under James Madison.)
putgurs

Pittsburgh, PA

#80 May 31, 2013
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21 is to young in my opion
FormerParatroope r

Chicago, IL

#81 May 31, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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So you are saying that having a firearm in the house increases the possibility that a child is going to kill himself or the friend or the next door neighbor.
Compared to not having a firearm eliminates entirely the possibility of a child accidentally killing himself or a friend unless he gets the gun from his friend who gets it from someone like you who leaves the firearm unlocked.
Someone like me who leaves a firearm unlocked? That was an ignorant statement. I do not leave firearms unsecured, anywhere.

If someone leaves a firearm unsecured, especially with children of course there is a risk of harm. Just the same with anything else left unsecured as I stated in prior posts.

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#82 May 31, 2013
FormerParatrooper wrote:
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Someone like me who leaves a firearm unlocked? That was an ignorant statement. I do not leave firearms unsecured, anywhere.
Happens all the time.

Try to pay attention.

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#83 May 31, 2013
FormerParatrooper wrote:
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Someone like me who leaves a firearm unlocked?
Follow the sentence and follow the thread.
FormerParatroope r

Chicago, IL

#84 May 31, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Follow the sentence and follow the thread.
Following the sentence and thread you made an accusation that is unfounded and untrue. You stated "like you". There is no other way to take such a comment.

But that is par for most people here. Casting dispersion and hateful comments to further a disingenuous cause.

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#85 Jun 1, 2013
FormerParatrooper wrote:
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Following the sentence and thread you made an accusation that is unfounded and untrue. You stated "like you". There is no other way to take such a comment.
Follow the sentence, dear.

And follow the thread.

Hundreds of people are killed by guns that people like you say are not loaded.

Pick up a paper.

And people like you don't seem to have a problem selling weapons to people you don't know.

Let me know how you can tell from looking at them how they aren't felons.
Sparky

Maysville, KY

#86 Jun 1, 2013
My oldest boy cut his teeth on the butt of a 1911. My youngest boy is 11 and has been shooting for about 2 years. When I was about 10 or 11 me and my older brother had .22s and my uncle brought us 22,000 rnds. of .22 shorts. At about the age of 5 I gun proofed my boys, not the other way around.I liked what FormerParatroope r had to say.
FormerParatroope r

Chicago, IL

#87 Jun 1, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Follow the sentence, dear.
And follow the thread.
Hundreds of people are killed by guns that people like you say are not loaded.
Pick up a paper.
And people like you don't seem to have a problem selling weapons to people you don't know.
Let me know how you can tell from looking at them how they aren't felons.
Like me? You are still casting untruths.

If I say a firearm is unloaded, it is only after I have made a visual and mechanical check to insure it. Even if I know it was unloaded before I stored it, I check it again. Common sense.

I have only sold a firearm to two classes of people, FFL dealers who have a business and those I know well. If I don't know you, no sale, period. Again, common sense.

I said to you before, IF the background check system could be fixed, and IF it was available to be used without an invasion of privacy and without having to use a FFL, I would support it. But it has to be fixed, available, and without fee.

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