It's the Guns, Stupid

It's the Guns, Stupid

There are 103299 comments on the Truthdig story from Apr 20, 2007, titled It's the Guns, Stupid. In it, Truthdig reports that:

“And that's the end of the issue”

Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

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“Facts”

Since: May 08

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#110942 Aug 30, 2014
Lollygag wrote:
All the gun nuts on here must have been in seventh heaven when the nine year old girl killed her instructor with an uzi. Not because the guy is dead, but because her parents wanted her to be proficient in killing people and animals. Give those parents an award!
You people never learn.
I am a car nut also
Yet just because some child dies in a car has no effect on my car habits

Only a moron would be scared of a car because of a accident

“Facts”

Since: May 08

Location hidden

#110943 Aug 30, 2014
Stan Dandyliver wrote:
The kid with the Uzi is just another example of the American blindness on the subject of guns.
The mad bastards all want to be John Wayne or Eliot Ness.
More die every year from sharp objects
Are you also scared of them ?

Blunt force trauma also kills far more so should we outlaw baseball?

“Facts”

Since: May 08

Location hidden

#110944 Aug 30, 2014
Pragmatic wrote:
<quoted text>Was that a mistake?
I would like to see the parents of this girl on TV.
Someone needs to get in touch with the proper agency and have this nine year old taken away from her parents and put into a god fearing foster home.
Didn't anyone at the firing range question why a CHILD was there?
Happens millions of times

This kid shoots better than most adults

http://m.youtube.com/watch...

“REFUSE ALL IMITATIONS!!”

Since: Jan 11

Saint Kilda, Australia

#110945 Aug 30, 2014
_0rion_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Not at all.
Always laugh at other people's mistakes do you?
The person I feel most grief for is the 9 year old girl.

There is no possible doubt that this will stay with her for the rest of her life. No amount of counseling can ever come close to erasing the horrific images and the despair from her mind as long as she lives.

Telling her that it was not her fault will be of negligible comfort.

At such a tender innocent age she has had an indelible stain of guilt (as undoubtedly perceived by her) put on the rest of her life.

How does one live with that? In a worst case outcome at some future time she might choose not to.

“Topix is lowlife scum with no”

Since: Jun 12

respect for anyone...

#110946 Aug 31, 2014
Pragmatic wrote:
<quoted text>
Was that a mistake?
I would like to see the parents of this girl on TV.
Someone needs to get in touch with the proper agency and have this nine year old taken away from her parents and put into a god fearing foster home.
Didn't anyone at the firing range question why a CHILD was there?
Yes it was a mistake, a tragic error in judgement that cost the man his life.
How is putting her parents on tv or punishing the girl by taking her away from her parents going to help the situation?
It will not.
Why would anyone question that she was on a firing range?
If what was happening at the range before the accident was legal then there is nothing to question.

“Topix is lowlife scum with no”

Since: Jun 12

respect for anyone...

#110947 Aug 31, 2014
The ADELAIDEAN wrote:
<quoted text>
The person I feel most grief for is the 9 year old girl.
There is no possible doubt that this will stay with her for the rest of her life. No amount of counseling can ever come close to erasing the horrific images and the despair from her mind as long as she lives.
Telling her that it was not her fault will be of negligible comfort.
At such a tender innocent age she has had an indelible stain of guilt (as undoubtedly perceived by her) put on the rest of her life.
How does one live with that? In a worst case outcome at some future time she might choose not to.
Well said Ade.
It would be a terrible thing to have to live with.
Lollygag

Norristown, PA

#110948 Aug 31, 2014
The ADELAIDEAN wrote:
<quoted text>
The person I feel most grief for is the 9 year old girl.
There is no possible doubt that this will stay with her for the rest of her life. No amount of counseling can ever come close to erasing the horrific images and the despair from her mind as long as she lives.
Telling her that it was not her fault will be of negligible comfort.
At such a tender innocent age she has had an indelible stain of guilt (as undoubtedly perceived by her) put on the rest of her life.
How does one live with that? In a worst case outcome at some future time she might choose not to.
Lighten up!
Yes, some of us were innocent at that age, but not this girl. She was on a firing range with an uzi. How many nine year olds that are innocent do that?
You should worry about this girl because she will probably end up buying an uzi (unless she already owns one) and killing her class mates. Mark my word.
People who own guns are not wrapped too tight.
Yes, it was her fault. Isn't she the one who pulled the trigger?
Lollygag

Norristown, PA

#110949 Aug 31, 2014
_0rion_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes it was a mistake, a tragic error in judgement that cost the man his life.
How is putting her parents on tv or punishing the girl by taking her away from her parents going to help the situation?
It will not.
Why would anyone question that she was on a firing range?
If what was happening at the range before the accident was legal then there is nothing to question.
Parents should be on TV. 15 minutes and all that.
Aren't you curious to check out parents that would drive their nine year old to a firing range and practice shooting an uzi? I am.
Yes, take her away from her nutty parents. Foster homes are not great, but they would certainly be much better than staying with the wackadoodle parents.
What's next? Hand grenades?
It wasn't a mistake. Her parents gave it a lot of thought and then carried through with it.
Where is the logic?

“REFUSE ALL IMITATIONS!!”

Since: Jan 11

Melbourne, Australia

#110950 Aug 31, 2014
Lollygag wrote:
<quoted text>
Lighten up!
Yes, some of us were innocent at that age, but not this girl. She was on a firing range with an uzi. How many nine year olds that are innocent do that?
You should worry about this girl because she will probably end up buying an uzi (unless she already owns one) and killing her class mates. Mark my word.
People who own guns are not wrapped too tight.
Yes, it was her fault. Isn't she the one who pulled the trigger?
Take the opposite point of view just for the sake of it.

Is that on page #1 of the Trolls' Handbook?

“REFUSE ALL IMITATIONS!!”

Since: Jan 11

Melbourne, Australia

#110951 Aug 31, 2014
Lollygag wrote:
<quoted text>
People who own guns are not wrapped too tight.
Relax. Your secret is safe with me.:)
Lollygag

Norristown, PA

#110953 Aug 31, 2014
The ADELAIDEAN wrote:
<quoted text>
Take the opposite point of view just for the sake of it.
Is that on page #1 of the Trolls' Handbook?
You tell me. You probably wrote the book. I bet you look like an old troll.
Lollygag

Norristown, PA

#110954 Aug 31, 2014
The ADELAIDEAN wrote:
<quoted text>
Relax. Your secret is safe with me.:)
Too Funny…
pragmatic

Norristown, PA

#110955 Aug 31, 2014
Here Is One wrote:
<quoted text>
I am a car nut also
Yet just because some child dies in a car has no effect on my car habits
Only a moron would be scared of a car because of a accident
Oh? Ok….Whatever….Say What?

“Topix is lowlife scum with no”

Since: Jun 12

respect for anyone...

#110956 Aug 31, 2014
Lollygag wrote:
Aren't you curious to check out parents that would drive their nine year old to a firing range and practice shooting an uzi?
Nup.
Should I be?
Lollygag wrote:
Yes, take her away from her nutty parents. Foster homes are not great, but they would certainly be much better than staying with the wackadoodle parents.
Says who?
You?
What makes you qualified to make a decision like that?
Lollygag wrote:
What's next? Hand grenades?
Never miss an opportunity for some drama do you...
Lollygag wrote:
It wasn't a mistake. Her parents gave it a lot of thought and then carried through with it.
Where is the logic?
Wasn't a mistake?
Care to explain the logic behind that statement?
What do you call logic?

Do the letters H.A.C. mean anything to you?
pragmatic

Norristown, PA

#110957 Aug 31, 2014
_0rion_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Nup.
Should I be?
<quoted text>
Says who?
You?
What makes you qualified to make a decision like that?
<quoted text>
Never miss an opportunity for some drama do you...
<quoted text>
Wasn't a mistake?
Care to explain the logic behind that statement?
What do you call logic?
Do the letters H.A.C. mean anything to you?
Yes, you should be. You care more about guns than little kids.
Yes, says me. Who else would be writing for me?
Qualified? I have common sense.
Yes, love being a drama queen.
Mistake? If you take your little kid to a shooting range to 'learn' how to shoot an uzi - that is not a mistake. That is intentional. Are you defending these parents because you have done the same?
Logic? I have it and I am sorry to say, you don't. Either you have it or not and apparently, you don't.
You could study for thirty years and never capture it. It's inherent and I am blessed. Sorry.
People WILL be looking into this horrible situation and someone will be in a world of hurt.
Do you seriously think a thin 9 year old could handle an uzi? Grown men would have a difficult time, if it's their first time.
Regards,
HAC

“REFUSE ALL IMITATIONS!!”

Since: Jan 11

Saint Kilda, Australia

#110958 Aug 31, 2014
Lollygag wrote:
<quoted text>
You tell me. You probably wrote the book. I bet you look like an old troll.
I would like to take false credit, but alas ... modesty forbids.:)
pragmatic

Norristown, PA

#110959 Aug 31, 2014
The ADELAIDEAN wrote:
<quoted text>
I would like to take false credit, but alas ... modesty forbids.:)
Ms Cake - I like the drawing of your little face. The black glasses are so in style. Who knew?
Modest?
Becky

Sydney, Australia

#110960 Aug 31, 2014
The ADELAIDEAN wrote:
<quoted text>
The person I feel most grief for is the 9 year old girl.
There is no possible doubt that this will stay with her for the rest of her life. No amount of counseling can ever come close to erasing the horrific images and the despair from her mind as long as she lives.
Telling her that it was not her fault will be of negligible comfort.
At such a tender innocent age she has had an indelible stain of guilt (as undoubtedly perceived by her) put on the rest of her life.
How does one live with that? In a worst case outcome at some future time she might choose not to.
Lighten up. She ll be back out there on the gun range shootin an tootin before you know it. Those people arent into introspection.
Thomas

Australia

#110961 Aug 31, 2014
Becky wrote:
<quoted text>
Lighten up. She ll be back out there on the gun range shootin an tootin before you know it. Those people arent into introspection.
Just like Sydney people are with pedophilia. Can't keep someone from Sydney away from kiddy porn.

“REFUSE ALL IMITATIONS!!”

Since: Jan 11

Melbourne, Australia

#110962 Aug 31, 2014
Becky wrote:
<quoted text>
Lighten up. She ll be back out there on the gun range shootin an tootin before you know it. Those people arent into introspection.
You and "Lollygag" should get a room.

There is no aspect of this awful tragedy that can be taken lightly, except perhaps by someone who is shallow.

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