It's the Guns, Stupid

It's the Guns, Stupid

There are 103292 comments on the Truthdig story from Apr 20, 2007, titled It's the Guns, Stupid. In it, Truthdig reports that:

“And that's the end of the issue”

Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

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Voices of Reason

Brisbane, Australia

#110235 Sep 3, 2013
Snow Bunny_ wrote:
<quoted text>Jack Jack Jack, lol...you need some new material! Changing around my profile name, in an attempt to be funny is older and more overused then your moms vagina!
I mean, I used to do that 4 years ago....try something new. Something funnier...make me LAUGH at least!
Also, anyone with half a brain can see who is intelligent, and who is not. The poster that RUNS from a intelligent debate, hides behind name calling, lame jokes, and multiple profiles is obviously the unintelligent one :)
Why run away from intelligent people? Are you afraid?
need a hug?
Can I ask you a >serious< question?
were you abused as a child?
That's a secksy pair of knockers you got there Bunny. You wouldn't get too many of then to the kilo - any chance of a feel ?
spOko

Oakland, CA

#110236 Sep 3, 2013
Texas please secede from the Union!
The GOPer winggnuz Board of Education in TX have gone of the deep end. As one of the largest buyers of textbooks in the country, the board changed and re-wrote the history books. Smaller states who have no textbook buying power would essentially have to read and study the new Texas version of history. The Atlantic slave trade will be known as the “Atlantic triangular trade”. Slaves will be referred to as Triangulates? The word “capitalism” is out; it will be replaced with the “free enterprise system.”

The board has diminished Thomas Jefferson’s role in history because of his belief in the separation of church and state. Students also are required to learn that America’s founding documents were influenced by various intellectual traditions,“especially biblical law,” and principles laid down by Moses. From the tenor of the changes, the board approved the foundation for a fundamentalist Christian theocracy. Social conservatives, creationists, religious fanatics and assorted loons, who dominate the Texas State Board of Education, want to redefine the Constitution as an explicitly Christian document and highlight the role of God in the establishment of the US.

Perhaps we could replace Washington with Moses?

“Is that all you've got?”

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#110237 Sep 3, 2013
Voices of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>That's a secksy pair of knockers you got there Bunny. You wouldn't get too many of then to the kilo - any chance of a feel ?
Snow Bunny is a guy, der.

“Is that all you've got?”

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#110238 Sep 3, 2013
spOko wrote:
Texas please secede from the Union!
The GOPer winggnuz Board of Education in TX have gone of the deep end. As one of the largest buyers of textbooks in the country, the board changed and re-wrote the history books. Smaller states who have no textbook buying power would essentially have to read and study the new Texas version of history. The Atlantic slave trade will be known as the “Atlantic triangular trade”. Slaves will be referred to as Triangulates? The word “capitalism” is out; it will be replaced with the “free enterprise system.”
The board has diminished Thomas Jefferson’s role in history because of his belief in the separation of church and state. Students also are required to learn that America’s founding documents were influenced by various intellectual traditions,“especially biblical law,” and principles laid down by Moses. From the tenor of the changes, the board approved the foundation for a fundamentalist Christian theocracy. Social conservatives, creationists, religious fanatics and assorted loons, who dominate the Texas State Board of Education, want to redefine the Constitution as an explicitly Christian document and highlight the role of God in the establishment of the US.
Perhaps we could replace Washington with Moses?
Yer off topic, troll.
spOko

Oakland, CA

#110239 Sep 3, 2013
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>Yer off topic, troll.
Huh? Compared to what - you moron? LOL ...

Since: Oct 11

Location hidden

#110240 Sep 3, 2013
Besara wrote:
<quoted text>No, you didn't. The requirement was to come up with not only compelling, but especially reasonable, arguments for gun registration and background checks. Nothing you posted met that requirement.
Alright then, please explain what is SOOO 'un-reasonable' about requiring background checks to insure that firearms DON'T fall into the hands of criminals or the mentally unbalanced...?

Go ahead, give us YOUR rationale for why insuring AGAINST those inevitabilities (as recent history has demonstrated) are so unwarranted/impractical/unjust ified/unmerited?!?

Please tell us why we shouldn't take every precaution possible/necessary to insure that firearms don't fall into the hands of criminals or the psychologically compromised...?

Go on, I'll wait.
AnswersRus

Riverton, WY

#110241 Sep 4, 2013
just an allusion wrote:
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Alright then, please explain what is SOOO 'un-reasonable' about requiring background checks to insure that firearms DON'T fall into the hands of criminals or the mentally unbalanced...?
Go ahead, give us YOUR rationale for why insuring AGAINST those inevitabilities (as recent history has demonstrated) are so unwarranted/impractical/unjust ified/unmerited?!?
Please tell us why we shouldn't take every precaution possible/necessary to insure that firearms don't fall into the hands of criminals or the psychologically compromised...?
Go on, I'll wait.
What is "SOOOO unreasonable" about your plan?
Simple.
It is unreasonable to think that your checks will have any reduction effect at all on the criminal element. The criminal element does not obtain their weaponry where there are background checks.
Your expectations of having any impact on the criminal element are completely and totally
"unwarranted/impractical/ unjustified/unmerited". Your approach is like shutting the barn door after all the horses have escaped. You attempt to stifle the practices and habits of sharks by caging eagles.
You place unwarranted burdens on those who you say are not your target. You are off target and will miss your stated point of aim.
AnswersRus

Riverton, WY

#110242 Sep 4, 2013
just an allusion wrote:
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Alright then, please explain what is SOOO 'un-reasonable' about requiring background checks to insure that firearms DON'T fall into the hands of criminals or the mentally unbalanced...?
...
You and your plan are completely incapabe of insuring any such thing. It is foolish to think that background checks will have any effect at all on those who will avoid your checkpoints at will. You can not control the nasty ones by corralling and hassling the pleasant ones.

“Imaginez tous les gens”

Since: Sep 09

Sunbury, OH

#110243 Sep 4, 2013
AnswersRus wrote:
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I asked because I wished to know what you thought those words to mean.
I did'nt create the meaning of the words. Do you think I have my OWN meaning for those words apart from the actual meaning?
AnswersRus wrote:
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If I wished to know what a dictionary said they are, I would simply look them up.
Then why do you care what I think?
AnswersRus wrote:
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I already did that before asking you what you though they mean.
So, then you KNOW they all contradict each other, and it would be impossible for someone to be ALL those things at the same time....eh?
AnswersRus wrote:
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It is apparent from the get go, that you think me beneath you and your self inflated ego, and are incapable of stopping yourself from demeaning others in your writings.
Can you be specific to what you're talking about?
AGAIN, you are letting your own insecurities get in the way of a logical post.
AnswersRus wrote:
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I guess I'll just take the "insecurities" you projected to me, and look for honest debate on these things elsewhere.
You're projecting it onto yourself! Just read your writings....
AnswersRus wrote:
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I fear I will not get honesty from you.
Why not? can you be SPECIFIC? Is it because I hurt your feelings, or because I've done something dishonest? Obviously, it has nothing to do with my honesty, and everything to do with yourself.
You're too sensitive.
AnswersRus wrote:
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You have it all knowed up already in your mind.
????
AnswersRus wrote:
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Your loss.
If you say so, lol
AnswersRus wrote:
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You yourself may wish to actually look up those definitions. I doubt you will. You should though.
ciao
I don't have to look them up. I took a civic class in High School....didn't you?
I already listed the meanings, and how the contradict each other specifically....did you miss that part?

“Imaginez tous les gens”

Since: Sep 09

Sunbury, OH

#110244 Sep 4, 2013
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>Snow Bunny is a guy, der.
A lot of people on this very thread have my FaceBook...they know Im NOT a guy:D
But, it's your fantasy....make me a man if you want :/
AnswersRus

Riverton, WY

#110245 Sep 4, 2013
Snow Bunny_ wrote:
<quoted text>I did'nt create the meaning of the words.
If you say so.
How's the weather there?
AnswersRus

Riverton, WY

#110246 Sep 4, 2013
Snow Bunny_ wrote:
<quoted text>I don't have to look them up. I took a civic class in High School
...
Oh that's nice. Good for you. I'm impressed. That sure makes college courses and decades of life experience look mighty pale by comparison huh.

“Imaginez tous les gens”

Since: Sep 09

Sunbury, OH

#110247 Sep 4, 2013
AnswersRus wrote:
<quoted text>
If you say so.
How's the weather there?
Chilly this morning, but it's gonna warm up later today :D
AnswersRus

Riverton, WY

#110248 Sep 4, 2013
Snow Bunny_ wrote:
<quoted text>Chilly this morning, but it's gonna warm up later today :D
Good.
Same here, so better get back to getting the crops in the pantry.

“Imaginez tous les gens”

Since: Sep 09

Sunbury, OH

#110249 Sep 4, 2013
AnswersRus wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh that's nice. Good for you. I'm impressed. That sure makes college courses and decades of life experience look mighty pale by comparison huh.
Not at all...I went to college, and Im 35 years old. I also have decades of experience!
Obviously, college doesn't pale in comparison to high school. I'm just letting you know it is TAUGHT in high school, and I haven't had to look up the definition since then :D
Didn't you say you had to look up the definitions when posting to me?
AnswersRus

Riverton, WY

#110251 Sep 4, 2013
Snow Bunny_ wrote:
<quoted text>Not at all...I went to college, and Im 35 years old. I also have decades of experience!
Obviously, college doesn't pale in comparison to high school. I'm just letting you know it is TAUGHT in high school, and I haven't had to look up the definition since then :D
Didn't you say you had to look up the definitions when posting to me?
One can take a course in rafting too, and still come out with bad habits and a serious misunderstanding of how to read the water.
You apparently took your teacher at his/her word and never looked them up yourself.

Have I looked them up? You bet I have, many times. Your banter and accusations of when and how and why I did so fall on deaf ears kid. I have also looked them up in dictionaries of varying dates of publish. Since I have over 5 times the life experience of your single decade of adulthood, I have seen words and definitions change as the dates change.
Your youth has you convinced that you are correct. Your life experience has yet to teach you that the follies of your youth, were ill thought out and but mere ideological impossibilities where humans and their real traits are concerned.
You are full of theory implanted in you by some high school mouthpiece. Be assured, your beliefs are but only theory, and have failed muster at every turn of the societies now in the ash heap of history, who tried to employ your theories.
Besara

Des Moines, IA

#110252 Sep 4, 2013
just an allusion wrote:
<quoted text>
Alright then, please explain what is SOOO 'un-reasonable' about requiring background checks to insure that firearms DON'T fall into the hands of criminals or the mentally unbalanced...?
Laws already on the books for that. Do you also agree that background checks should be required to insure that automobiles, chemicals/flammables/explosive s, knives, blunt instruments, and rope DON'T fall into the hands of criminals or the mentally unbalanced...?
just an allusion wrote:
Go ahead, give us YOUR rationale for why insuring AGAINST those inevitabilities (as recent history has demonstrated) are so unwarranted/impractical/unjust ified/unmerited?!?
How many people have been prosecuted for having lied on the registration submitted to NICS?
How many criminals submit to a background check?
just an allusion wrote:
Please tell us why we shouldn't take every precaution possible/necessary to insure that firearms don't fall into the hands of criminals or the psychologically compromised...?
Go on, I'll wait.
Please tell me why your concern is limited to firearms.
Please tell me why the criminal acts of a statistically small number of the population justify hassles put upon those that choose to live within the boundaries of the law?
Please explain to us all why people kill others even though there are laws against murder.
Please explain why the laws that are on the books that restrict the mentally unstable and violent criminal from buying firearms haven't stopped the Cho's, Loughner's, and Holmes' from committing their acts?

“Imaginez tous les gens”

Since: Sep 09

Sunbury, OH

#110253 Sep 4, 2013
AnswersRus wrote:
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One can take a course in rafting too, and still come out with bad habits and a serious misunderstanding of how to read the water.
You've proven that!
AnswersRus wrote:
<quoted text>
You apparently took your teacher at his/her word and never looked them up yourself.
Perhaps you missed the words "civics class"....it's not based on the teachers "word". It's based on text books and history. Of course I looked them up...in high school. When did I say I never looked them up myself? Knowing the meaning of the words is part of passing the course. It's not someone's word. It's a COURSE...which leads to a diploma. Understand?
AnswersRus wrote:
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Have I looked them up? You bet I have, many times.
The definition hasn't changed ya know....bad memory?
AnswersRus wrote:
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Your banter and accusations of when and how and why I did so fall on deaf ears kid.
Really? Then why are you replying?
AnswersRus wrote:
<quoted text> I have also looked them up in dictionaries of varying dates of publish. Since I have over 5 times the life experience of your single decade of adulthood, I have seen words and definitions change as the dates change.
Then you're well aware they might change a single word in he writing of the definition, change the wording a little, punctuation maybe...but the MEANING has never changed.
AnswersRus wrote:
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Since I have over 5 times the life experience of your single decade of adulthood
5 times the life experience?
I'm 35 years old....I've been an adult almost 20 years (that is TWO decades) 17 years to be exact.
That would make you...(starting at adulthood) 18 yrs old + 17 X 5 = you're 85 years old?
Really?
AnswersRus wrote:
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Your youth has you convinced that you are correct. Your life experience has yet to teach you that the follies of your youth, were ill thought out and but mere ideological impossibilities where humans and their real traits are concerned.
Correct on what? The meaning of those words? I AM CORRECT...not because of my "youth" but because the definitions prove I am correct. See for yourself...refute me if Im not correct...eh?
im 35 years old, I am no spring chicken. I am well aware I have a lot to learn...but on this issue, I'm right. If not, then correct me oh wise one????
AnswersRus wrote:
<quoted text>.
You are full of theory implanted in you by some high school mouthpiece.
Wrong again....
refer back to above statement on the issue^
AnswersRus wrote:
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Be assured, your beliefs are but only theory
Can you PROVE to me how the meaning I provided are THEORIES of socialism, fascism, communism, etc...and not the actual meaning? No?
You spew a lot of nonsense, with NOTHING to back up your point.
AnswersRus wrote:
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....and have failed muster at every turn of the societies now in the ash heap of history, who tried to employ your theories.
huh? Are you okay?
Are you now admitting they have been employed? So, then they are not theories!! You can't have it both ways, lol. You are talking outta both sides of your mouth, It makes no sense.
Voices of Reason

Brisbane, Australia

#110254 Sep 4, 2013
Snow Bunny_ wrote:
<quoted text>Not at all...I went to college, and Im 35 years old. I also have decades of experience!
Obviously, college doesn't pale in comparison to high school. I'm just letting you know it is TAUGHT in high school, and I haven't had to look up the definition since then :D
Didn't you say you had to look up the definitions when posting to me?
What's the verdict Bunny , are you gonna let me tamper with those lovely melons ?
AnswersRus

Riverton, WY

#110255 Sep 4, 2013
[QUOTE who="Snow Bunny...
Are you now admitting they have been employed? So, then they are not theories!!
[/QUOTE]
I never denied that socialism has been tried. I have also informed you that it failed to accomplish nervana or utopia which you liberals seek.
Since it has failed each and every time, you have an unworkable theory and nothing more.
You fools keep waiting for human nature itself to change, and that ain't happening ... ever. You clowns keep thinking that it has always failed because you "intellectuals" were not running the show then. Same lie. Different day.

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