It's the Guns, Stupid

It's the Guns, Stupid

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“pshhhhh”

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#110190 Aug 22, 2013
The Saint wrote:
<quoted text>I more than hate that it took one of your countrymen to see exactly what we deal with over here, but his death will not go away quietly!
The myth that all Americans(especially Texans) are gun crazy, wild, hair trigger, crazies is bullshit! I saw a statistic this morning that 97% of all gun crimes here are committed by blacks!? It's like living in south Africa! I wish cycle cell would start juicing, and powerlifting! Hahaha!!!
Your right its not going to go quietly over here either mate thats right its not responsible gun holders doing this crazy stuff the way the majority of the negro population behave over there they may as well be in somalia

Haha
spOko

Oakland, CA

#110191 Aug 22, 2013
The Saint wrote:
<quoted text>Sounds like projection to me there Spooko!
Once you, or someone you care for is targeted by one of these animals you will change your tune.
For African American it's very disturbing to see the multitude of websites and reports that indicate that blacks commit most crimes in the US and abroad. The fact of the matter is most crimes committed by blacks is usaully against someone in the black community!! And it's usually in a impoverished area. And these areas are segregated from the other communities in the area.

Ask yourself this, what's the worst thing that someone has ever done to you??????(Think) Now I'll bet you that the person your thinking about is from your own race whomever it is. My point is most murders are commited by someone the victom knew on a personal level. And most people from the suburbs don't have personal relationships with people from the ghetto.

But what's scary is all these so called intellectuals are trying to paint blacks as a barbaric and murderous race. Saying that a “black” is 250 times more likely to commit a crime then a white. Ther are some crimes that blacks commit more then whites and vice versa! Most Crack Dealers are black, and Most Serial Killers are white?

Then I see a report that blacks commit 50% of the crimes in the UK? IMO the laws are enforced in the black communities more so then they are in the other communities. I grew up in a predominately white area. And I can't count all the times I seen white kids punch people out, steal, rob, buy and sell drugs. But I never see these kids arrested because laws aren't enforced in the suburbs. I know plenty of people who dealt drugs and never got their house raided because they lived in the suburbs. I know cops arrest suburban kids sometimes, but they don't concentrate their resources in those communities so there's a lot less arrests to report. My point is poverty=crime no matter what the race is.

To prove my point I pulled some crimes statistics in Russia where the elite media can't blame blacks for all the crimes.
In 1994 there was 2,602,700 crimes reported in Russia 32,300 of those were murders.
In the USA in 1994 there was 14,000,000 crimes reported and 23,200 of those were murders.

The reason why you still have multiple murders in a place where blacks are non-existent is because poverty is abundant. Plus, more white-collar crimes are committed in the US then violent crimes, but white collar criminals rarely go to jail. Even with all the Evidence against Kenneth Lay at Enron, he still hasn't been indicted yet. So my point is stop blaming blacks for all crimes, and start blaming poverty.
The Saint

Houston, TX

#110192 Aug 22, 2013
spOko wrote:
<quoted text>
For African American it's very disturbing to see the multitude of websites and reports that indicate that blacks commit most crimes in the US and abroad. The fact of the matter is most crimes committed by blacks is usaully against someone in the black community!! And it's usually in a impoverished area. And these areas are segregated from the other communities in the area.
Ask yourself this, what's the worst thing that someone has ever done to you??????(Think) Now I'll bet you that the person your thinking about is from your own race whomever it is. My point is most murders are commited by someone the victom knew on a personal level. And most people from the suburbs don't have personal relationships with people from the ghetto.
But what's scary is all these so called intellectuals are trying to paint blacks as a barbaric and murderous race. Saying that a “black” is 250 times more likely to commit a crime then a white. Ther are some crimes that blacks commit more then whites and vice versa! Most Crack Dealers are black, and Most Serial Killers are white?
Then I see a report that blacks commit 50% of the crimes in the UK? IMO the laws are enforced in the black communities more so then they are in the other communities. I grew up in a predominately white area. And I can't count all the times I seen white kids punch people out, steal, rob, buy and sell drugs. But I never see these kids arrested because laws aren't enforced in the suburbs. I know plenty of people who dealt drugs and never got their house raided because they lived in the suburbs. I know cops arrest suburban kids sometimes, but they don't concentrate their resources in those communities so there's a lot less arrests to report. My point is poverty=crime no matter what the race is.
To prove my point I pulled some crimes statistics in Russia where the elite media can't blame blacks for all the crimes.
In 1994 there was 2,602,700 crimes reported in Russia 32,300 of those were murders.
In the USA in 1994 there was 14,000,000 crimes reported and 23,200 of those were murders.
The reason why you still have multiple murders in a place where blacks are non-existent is because poverty is abundant. Plus, more white-collar crimes are committed in the US then violent crimes, but white collar criminals rarely go to jail. Even with all the Evidence against Kenneth Lay at Enron, he still hasn't been indicted yet. So my point is stop blaming blacks for all crimes, and start blaming poverty.
Nope! Not gonna blame poverty, I'll go with Nation of Islam, Jesse, Al, black panthers, Southern poverty, for starters that constantly race bait, and say it's all "Whiteys" fault you are like you are! Yes, there are black people then there are worthless scum!
And black scum kill each other quite often!
Like I told you before you can't argue with numbers, and Russia has nothing to do with it!
As for white collar crime, yes they steal money, but you can always make more, but you can't make another loved one that has been murdered in cold blood!
As for the worst thing done to me, yep! a worthless black turd tried to carjack me. His last mistake! We don't take kindly to that here in Texas!
Auntie Dote

UK

#110193 Aug 22, 2013
spOko wrote:
<quoted text>
For African American it's very disturbing to see the multitude of websites and reports that indicate that blacks commit most crimes in the US and abroad. The fact of the matter is most crimes committed by blacks is usaully against someone in the black community!! And it's usually in a impoverished area. And these areas are segregated from the other communities in the area.
Ask yourself this, what's the worst thing that someone has ever done to you??????(Think) Now I'll bet you that the person your thinking about is from your own race whomever it is. My point is most murders are commited by someone the victom knew on a personal level. And most people from the suburbs don't have personal relationships with people from the ghetto.
But what's scary is all these so called intellectuals are trying to paint blacks as a barbaric and murderous race. Saying that a “black” is 250 times more likely to commit a crime then a white. Ther are some crimes that blacks commit more then whites and vice versa! Most Crack Dealers are black, and Most Serial Killers are white?
Then I see a report that blacks commit 50% of the crimes in the UK? IMO the laws are enforced in the black communities more so then they are in the other communities. I grew up in a predominately white area. And I can't count all the times I seen white kids punch people out, steal, rob, buy and sell drugs. But I never see these kids arrested because laws aren't enforced in the suburbs. I know plenty of people who dealt drugs and never got their house raided because they lived in the suburbs. I know cops arrest suburban kids sometimes, but they don't concentrate their resources in those communities so there's a lot less arrests to report. My point is poverty=crime no matter what the race is.
To prove my point I pulled some crimes statistics in Russia where the elite media can't blame blacks for all the crimes.
In 1994 there was 2,602,700 crimes reported in Russia 32,300 of those were murders.
In the USA in 1994 there was 14,000,000 crimes reported and 23,200 of those were murders.
The reason why you still have multiple murders in a place where blacks are non-existent is because poverty is abundant. Plus, more white-collar crimes are committed in the US then violent crimes, but white collar criminals rarely go to jail. Even with all the Evidence against Kenneth Lay at Enron, he still hasn't been indicted yet. So my point is stop blaming blacks for all crimes, and start blaming poverty.
WHEN was the last time any law of man stopped a crime from happening?

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#110194 Aug 22, 2013
The Saint wrote:
<quoted text>Nope! Not gonna blame poverty, I'll go with Nation of Islam, Jesse, Al, black panthers, Southern poverty, for starters that constantly race bait, and say it's all "Whiteys" fault you are like you are! Yes, there are black people then there are worthless scum!
And black scum kill each other quite often!
Like I told you before you can't argue with numbers, and Russia has nothing to do with it!
As for white collar crime, yes they steal money, but you can always make more, but you can't make another loved one that has been murdered in cold blood!
As for the worst thing done to me, yep! a worthless black turd tried to carjack me. His last mistake! We don't take kindly to that here in Texas!
you got that right especially with Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson Sr which their whole life racism has been their economical livelihood and keeping the blacks right where they are at Socially and Economically and the blacks are not smart enough to see it and choose to be Al Sharpton & Jessie Jackson Sr's Useful Idiots.
truth

Morley, Australia

#110195 Aug 22, 2013
Why you liked Cinderella story?
Is that magic gun to have fun?
truth

Morley, Australia

#110196 Aug 22, 2013
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The Saint

Houston, TX

#110198 Aug 23, 2013
spOko wrote:
<quoted text>
For African American it's very disturbing to see the multitude of websites and reports that indicate that blacks commit most crimes in the US and abroad. The fact of the matter is most crimes committed by blacks is usaully against someone in the black community!! And it's usually in a impoverished area. And these areas are segregated from the other communities in the area.
Ask yourself this, what's the worst thing that someone has ever done to you??????(Think) Now I'll bet you that the person your thinking about is from your own race whomever it is. My point is most murders are commited by someone the victom knew on a personal level. And most people from the suburbs don't have personal relationships with people from the ghetto.
But what's scary is all these so called intellectuals are trying to paint blacks as a barbaric and murderous race. Saying that a “black” is 250 times more likely to commit a crime then a white. Ther are some crimes that blacks commit more then whites and vice versa! Most Crack Dealers are black, and Most Serial Killers are white?
Then I see a report that blacks commit 50% of the crimes in the UK? IMO the laws are enforced in the black communities more so then they are in the other communities. I grew up in a predominately white area. And I can't count all the times I seen white kids punch people out, steal, rob, buy and sell drugs. But I never see these kids arrested because laws aren't enforced in the suburbs. I know plenty of people who dealt drugs and never got their house raided because they lived in the suburbs. I know cops arrest suburban kids sometimes, but they don't concentrate their resources in those communities so there's a lot less arrests to report. My point is poverty=crime no matter what the race is.
To prove my point I pulled some crimes statistics in Russia where the elite media can't blame blacks for all the crimes.
In 1994 there was 2,602,700 crimes reported in Russia 32,300 of those were murders.
In the USA in 1994 there was 14,000,000 crimes reported and 23,200 of those were murders.
The reason why you still have multiple murders in a place where blacks are non-existent is because poverty is abundant. Plus, more white-collar crimes are committed in the US then violent crimes, but white collar criminals rarely go to jail. Even with all the Evidence against Kenneth Lay at Enron, he still hasn't been indicted yet. So my point is stop blaming blacks for all crimes, and start blaming poverty.
Question!
Who shall we put the blame on for the Chimp slime that murdered a 88 year old WWII Vet, and shot the 16 month old baby in the face while robbing the mother???
The truth is starting to creep to other countries of what we put up with here in the states!
They managed to keep it hidden for a long time!
Let the truth be known...

The Saint

Houston, TX

#110199 Aug 23, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>you got that right especially with Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson Sr which their whole life racism has been their economical livelihood and keeping the blacks right where they are at Socially and Economically and the blacks are not smart enough to see it and choose to be Al Sharpton & Jessie Jackson Sr's Useful Idiots.
Thank's!
Yeah, I managed to forget the biggest of them all, and that's the naacp. corrupt, lying, race baiting, dirt!
Talk about using useful Idiots!
They have it down to a science!

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#110200 Aug 23, 2013
The Saint wrote:
<quoted text>Thank's!
Yeah, I managed to forget the biggest of them all, and that's the naacp. corrupt, lying, race baiting, dirt!
Talk about using useful Idiots!
They have it down to a science!
NAACP is a racist Organization and Bill Cosby put them in their place when the NAACP invited him to speak that time and what the problem is with Black Society here in the US.

Bill Cosby

Address at the NAACP' on the 50th Anniversary of Brown v. Board of Education

delivered 17 May 2004, Constitution Hall, Washington D.C.

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/bill...
The Saint

Houston, TX

#110201 Aug 23, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>NAACP is a racist Organization and Bill Cosby put them in their place when the NAACP invited him to speak that time and what the problem is with Black Society here in the US.
Bill Cosby
Address at the NAACP' on the 50th Anniversary of Brown v. Board of Education
delivered 17 May 2004, Constitution Hall, Washington D.C.
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/bill...
Yeah!
Bill really put it on them!
Funny thing was they all laughed, and cheered when he was giving it, THEN after in had time to sink in they all were highly offended. It just shows that they can't grasp the truth even when slapped across the face with it!
Only after the damage is done do they say "Wa happon??" or the famous "We didn't do's nuffin!"
Tm Clmns

Victoria, Canada

#110202 Aug 24, 2013
Sir Bucking Fastard wrote:
<quoted text>
Which of the following polities ROBS the blood, sweat, tears, and ultimately the lives of the people of a nation by FORCE of law:
[A] Communism/socialism/Marxism/fa scism/statism
or
[B] True Republicanism where the people decide for themselves how they shall live
Your answer is ........?
Provide historical proofs for your reply.
BTW: The U.S. is no longer a constitutional republic, itself having been taken over by the corporate dictatorship of the world bankers.
Revolution soon to follow. I hope YOU are prepared!
The Republicans decide for themselves, and then also, for other people how they should live.
Your answer is WRONG
YOU should be prepared for a revolution.. it will be the demise of your conservative corporatist
world/rules/ values...
Freedom always came from liberal values and ideas..
Jack Meoff

UK

#110203 Aug 25, 2013
Tm Clmns wrote:
<quoted text>
The Republicans decide for themselves, and then also, for other people how they should live.
Your answer is WRONG
YOU should be prepared for a revolution.. it will be the demise of your conservative corporatist
world/rules/ values...
Freedom always came from liberal values and ideas..
There are but two kinds of 'liberal' in this world:
A. Classical Liberals who believe in maximum individual liberty, and an ABSOLUTE MINIMUM of government

B. Those whom have absconded with the term 'liberal,' but are really COMMUNISTS, SOCIALISTS, FASCISTS, FABIANS, ALTRUISTS, STATISTS, and just plain CONTROL FREAKS.

So, in which category do YOU find YOURSELF?

Signed,
Jack Meoff
spOko

Oakland, CA

#110205 Aug 26, 2013
Jack Meoff wrote:
<quoted text>
There are but two kinds of 'liberal' in this world:
A. Classical Liberals who believe in maximum individual liberty, and an ABSOLUTE MINIMUM of government
B. Those whom have absconded with the term 'liberal,' but are really COMMUNISTS, SOCIALISTS, FASCISTS, FABIANS, ALTRUISTS, STATISTS, and just plain CONTROL FREAKS.
So, in which category do YOU find YOURSELF?
Signed,
Jack Meoff
You are generalizing who are these fantasy people you are citing? You are quit obviously not playing with a full deck ye moron!!

“Imaginez tous les gens”

Since: Sep 09

Sunbury, OH

#110206 Aug 30, 2013
Jack Meoff wrote:
<quoted text>
There are but two kinds of 'liberal' in this world:
A. Classical Liberals who believe in maximum individual liberty, and an ABSOLUTE MINIMUM of government
B. Those whom have absconded with the term 'liberal,' but are really COMMUNISTS, SOCIALISTS, FASCISTS, FABIANS, ALTRUISTS, STATISTS, and just plain CONTROL FREAKS.
So, in which category do YOU find YOURSELF?
Signed,
Jack Meoff
There are but two kinds of Liberals in the world?
...and you get this "fact" from....who?

Who are these communist/fascist/socialists you speak of, specifically?
...and after you list them, can you be specific to what makes them those scary names you listed?
That's the sad part...most right wingers just repeat what they've heard (communist, fascist, socialist) and don't even know what they mean, lol.
for example: you say some liberals are communist and fascists, and socialists....yet all those things contradict each other. You can't be a socialist communist and a fascist at the same time. The completely contradict each other, lol.
You seem brain washed.

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#110207 Aug 30, 2013
Well look what the cat dragged in.
AnswersRus

Lander, WY

#110208 Aug 30, 2013
Snow Bunny_ wrote:
<quoted text>There are but two kinds of Liberals in the world?
...and you get this "fact" from....who?
Who are these communist/fascist/socialists you speak of, specifically?
...and after you list them, can you be specific to what makes them those scary names you listed?
That's the sad part...most right wingers just repeat what they've heard (communist, fascist, socialist) and don't even know what they mean, lol.
for example: you say some liberals are communist and fascists, and socialists....yet all those things contradict each other. You can't be a socialist communist and a fascist at the same time. The completely contradict each other, lol.
You seem brain washed.
Would you define for me the following so I can see what you mean?
FASCIST
COMMUNIST
SOCIALIST
LIBERAL
RIGHT WINGER
Thanks.
Arnold

Cosby, TN

#110209 Aug 31, 2013
It's the gun grabbers stupid.

“Imaginez tous les gens”

Since: Sep 09

Sunbury, OH

#110210 Aug 31, 2013
AnswersRus wrote:
<quoted text>
Would you define for me the following so I can see what you mean?
FASCIST
COMMUNIST
SOCIALIST
LIBERAL
RIGHT WINGER
Thanks.
Do you really need me to tell you what those words mean? I mean, even if you do not know...we have a thing on the internet now called FreeDictionary. It's pretty cool. It's a site where you can look up words, and find the meaning!
But, I'll play along...
Fascist is when people are ruled by a dictator with social and economic control, and suppression of the opposition through terror.
(Obviously Obama is NOT a dictator, because we have a CONGRESS!

Communism is when the Government takes control of ALL of private property, and goods are given to all as needed.
(that contradicts fascism because communism is not ruled by one dictator..it's ruled by a Gov't, and under fascism, since the state holds all rights, it also retains control over the production of goods, and services. Unlike communism, fascism openly uses the resources to pursue the interests of the government.

socialism is a system that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land , etc.....
(Do you really need me to explain how fascism and communism contradicts socialism?)

Liberal means a person is not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, religion, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry!

Right Winger are conservatives....but, they only conserve the wealth of their backers. The Right wingers have supported some of the most wasteful and environmentally destructive policies ever known to humanity.

You're welcome!
t clmns

Toronto, Canada

#110211 Aug 31, 2013
Snow Bunny_ wrote:
<quoted text>There are but two kinds of Liberals in the world?
...and you get this "fact" from....who?
Who are these communist/fascist/socialists you speak of, specifically?
...and after you list them, can you be specific to what makes them those scary names you listed?
That's the sad part...most right wingers just repeat what they've heard (communist, fascist, socialist) and don't even know what they mean, lol.
for example: you say some liberals are communist and fascists, and socialists....yet all those things contradict each other. You can't be a socialist communist and a fascist at the same time. The completely contradict each other, lol.
You seem brain washed.
It's the return of the "Hung & The Chestless".
Finally got those STDs under control?

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