It's the Guns, Stupid

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“And that's the end of the issue”

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GoGoBar

Thailand

#109771 Jun 29, 2013
Perhaps when the whites are in the minority in 2050 the blacks etc... will be the dominant shooters in massacres with even more sophisticated rapid shot firearms.

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#109772 Jun 29, 2013
GoGoBar wrote:
Yes, you could propose that the demographics of the USA are unsuitable for the mass marketing and distribution of rapid shooting foirearms.
And what do you see in the future?
http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2008/02/11/us -...
"The non-Hispanic white population will increase more slowly than other racial and ethnic groups; whites will become a minority (47%) by 2050." So whites will be in the minority with minority political influence and less guns if it is freedom and equality for all!
Blacks & Hispanics are racist and dont get along.

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#109773 Jun 29, 2013
GoGoBar wrote:
Perhaps when the whites are in the minority in 2050 the blacks etc... will be the dominant shooters in massacres with even more sophisticated rapid shot firearms.
can you imagine what chicago would like if the blacks could access rapid fire machine guns easily like they do their handguns.
bosco

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#109774 Jun 29, 2013
spocko wrote:
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Boo-hooo, poor little baby :/
You sound British or Australian your freedoms have been stripped from you a long time ago. Can you walk out of your door and buy any semi-automatic firearm you choose today. No, because your&#65279; government does not trust you.
spocko

Oakland, CA

#109775 Jun 29, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>no EW Jackson is not an extremist for the telling the truth about the Black Community that you dont like to hear and that you speak for in Oakland and around the US that depends on the Welfare Nanny State that has destroyed Black families where as EW Jackson represents the Black Communtiy here in the US that doesnt depend on a Welfare Nanny State like the Federal Government Pseudo Liberal Democrats Great Society that they created and you are another one that would consider Bill Cosby an extremist for telling the truth about the state of the Black community here in US and his views which he has made public.
E.W. Jackson telling the Truth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =D499CVEP7EsXX&feature=pla yer_embedded
EW Jackson says Great Society worse for black families than slavery
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Blacks are Screwed By no one else but Themselves
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Sure buddy whateve you say - ye moron!

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#109776 Jun 29, 2013
spocko wrote:
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Sure buddy whateve you say - ye moron!
no moron here just posting the facts that some moron's dont like to see.
GoGoBar

Thailand

#109777 Jun 29, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>can you imagine what chicago would like if the blacks could access rapid fire machine guns easily like they do their handguns.
I imagine it would like WHITE Chigago in the days of Al Capone.

Depicted in violent movies where the hero was Jimmy Cagney firing his machine gun out of a window and shouting, "Come and get me copper!" or "You will never take me alive"

Then the rightlyy banned machine guns and sawn off shotguns.

HAHAHAHA.
GoGoBar

Thailand

#109778 Jun 29, 2013
bosco wrote:
<quoted text>You sound British or Australian your freedoms have been stripped from you a long time ago. Can you walk out of your door and buy any semi-automatic firearm you choose today. No, because your&#65279; government does not trust you.
They can buy fully automatic weapons in YEMEN.

USA Murder rate 4.8/100,000

Yemen Murder rate 4.4/100,000

Australia Murder rate 1.1/100,000

Any other freedoms Australia are missing out on?

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#109779 Jun 29, 2013
GoGoBar wrote:
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I imagine it would like WHITE Chigago in the days of Al Capone.
Depicted in violent movies where the hero was Jimmy Cagney firing his machine gun out of a window and shouting, "Come and get me copper!" or "You will never take me alive"
Then the rightlyy banned machine guns and sawn off shotguns.
HAHAHAHA.
actually Chicago was better in Al Capone's days because I was watching a program on tv talking about Modern day Chicago compared to Chicago during when Al Capone was in Chicago and I have to agree with them that it was actually better because the TV program even said that Al Capone and his mobsters didnt get the public involved in their hits and operated under a professional code of conduct where as today the Chicago gangs dont think nothing about taking out innocent people in their retaliation hits which Hadiya Pendleton was proof of that and it is sad that she was a victim of the Pseudo Liberals Social Utopia in Chicago.
Teaman

Mount Holly, NJ

#109780 Jun 29, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>actually Chicago was better in Al Capone's days because I was watching a program on tv talking about Modern day Chicago compared to Chicago during when Al Capone was in Chicago and I have to agree with them that it was actually better because the TV program even said that Al Capone and his mobsters didnt get the public involved in their hits and operated under a professional code of conduct where as today the Chicago gangs dont think nothing about taking out innocent people in their retaliation hits which Hadiya Pendleton was proof of that and it is sad that she was a victim of the Pseudo Liberals Social Utopia in Chicago.
Capone even provided soup kitchens for the poor.:-)
GoGoBar

Thailand

#109781 Jun 29, 2013
Teaman wrote:
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Capone even provided soup kitchens for the poor.:-)
Perhaps he was feeling guilty about tax evasion.

M & M provided soup kitchens also.

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#109782 Jun 29, 2013
Teaman wrote:
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Capone even provided soup kitchens for the poor.:-)
Right he did.
gogogaybar

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#109783 Jun 29, 2013
GoGoBar wrote:
<quoted text>
They can buy fully automatic weapons in YEMEN.
USA Murder rate 4.8/100,000
Yemen Murder rate 4.4/100,000
Australia Murder rate 1.1/100,000
Any other freedoms Australia are missing out on?
Australian is socialist is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery
GoGoBar

Thailand

#109784 Jun 29, 2013
gogogaybar wrote:
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Australian is socialist is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery
Geeze, dont embarass the pro gun poster by making him look inferior to reply factually.
People might think that the pro gun poster has reverted to sock puppeteering in desperation.
I mean, how hard is it to name the freedoms Australia doesnt enjoy as apposed to US Citizens.
How embarrassing.
Teaman

Mount Holly, NJ

#109785 Jun 29, 2013
GoGoBar wrote:
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Perhaps he was feeling guilty about tax evasion.
M & M provided soup kitchens also.
I don't think he felt guilty about anything.

One becomes popular when providing the illusion of caring. Just ask the government.
GoGoBar

Thailand

#109786 Jun 29, 2013
Teaman wrote:
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I don't think he felt guilty about anything.
One becomes popular when providing the illusion of caring. Just ask the government.
Well, it is difficult to experience freedom when you are starving. True hunger will make people work for Asian wages and conditions.

I imagine those 50 million starving Americans on food stamps are glad of the illusion.
Otherwise the Koch Brothers and the ruling Corporate Class would have them working for food and keeping wages low. You know, shared misery.

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#109787 Jun 29, 2013
GoGoBar wrote:
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Well, it is difficult to experience freedom when you are starving. True hunger will make people work for Asian wages and conditions.
I imagine those 50 million starving Americans on food stamps are glad of the illusion.
Otherwise the Koch Brothers and the ruling Corporate Class would have them working for food and keeping wages low. You know, shared misery.
I hate tell you but those 50 million Starving americans on Food Stamps are on Food Stamps because they choose to and dont want to work and prefer to part of the welfare society that the Federal Government created.

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#109788 Jun 29, 2013
GoGoBar wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, it is difficult to experience freedom when you are starving. True hunger will make people work for Asian wages and conditions.
I imagine those 50 million starving Americans on food stamps are glad of the illusion.
Otherwise the Koch Brothers and the ruling Corporate Class would have them working for food and keeping wages low. You know, shared misery.
I see it is the same in Australia too.

The welfare system in Australia is broken

by: EXCLUSIVE by Gemma Jones
From: The Daily Telegraph
April 08, 2013 12:00AM

THE social security system is itself a welfare case - with up to 400,000 people on the disability support pension (DSP) who could work with the right support.

Mission Australia chief Toby Hall questioned how Australia had reached a point at which more than $130 billion was expected to be allocated to welfare in next month's Budget.

Government reforms in recent years have resulted in just 7826 people leaving the DSP, with 824,082 remaining. In NSW the number has risen from 252,165 in 2011 to 267,680.Mr Hall said the changes since 2011- the same year The Daily Telegraph revealed that more NSW residents were on a disability pension than total Australians injured in conflict over more than a century since the Boer War - had only "closed the stable door after the horse has bolted".

"The evidence absolutely shows, with the right support, about 350,000 to 400,000 people could go back into the work force, which is why we think it is such an important issue," Mr Hall said.

"Those people, through no fault of their own, are left without a proper level of support. They don't have access to employment like everyone else. That is wrong."

The DSP is forecast to cost almost $15 billion this financial year and almost $17 billion by 2015-16, after successive governments failed to get more people who can work back into employment. Singles on the DSP receive $733.70 a fortnight, compared with $497 for a single on a Newstart job-seekers' allowance.

Writing exclusively for The Daily Telegraph, Mr Hall said the DSP had grown 280 per cent in three decades but there was "certainly no evidence there has been a similar increase in disability".

He said while there was "no doubt" that most of them were genuinely disabled, "over the years we have allowed thousands of people without serious disabilities to move from the dole to receiving the DSP where they are not engaged in looking for work".He said up to 85 per cent of people with mental health problems - almost a third of DSP recipients - could return to work with the right support.

"It is good for them, it is good for the country," he said. "If a person's barriers to work can be overcome with our help, what's stopping us from trying?

The non-denominational Christian charity Mission Australia helps 300,000 Australians each year and has run specialised employment training for more than a decade.

Disability Employment Australia CEO Lynette May said the number of people who could return to at least eight hours work a week was between 350,000 and 400,000.

"We need to change our working arrangements to pick up on strengths," she said.

Disability Reform Minister Jenny Macklin said: "I want to see people who have some capacity to work supported to do so. Work provides independence, purpose and dignity."

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/the-disa...

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#109789 Jun 29, 2013
Australia addicted to welfare: academic

August 3, 2004 - 8:24AM

Australians were addicted to welfare and political parties were too scared of voters to ask the junkies to quit, an academic said today.

Professor Peter Saunders, from the right wing Centre for Independent Studies, has painted a scathing picture of government welfare policies over recent decades in his new book, Australia's Welfare Habit, being launched in Sydney today.

Prof Saunders said Australia's welfare dependency had increased by 500 per cent in four decades.

Forty years ago three per cent of working age Australians lived off welfare. Now the figure is 16 per cent.

"There's a sense that I think ever since the 60s we've got increasingly linked to the idea that a large chunk of the population will live on welfare and there's not much we can do about it," Prof Saunders told AAP.

But increased spending on welfare, which now cost $60 billion a year, had not solved poverty.

While some social justice groups claimed up to four million people lived in poverty in Australia, Prof Saunders said the poverty figure was probably closer to three to five per cent of Australians.

But nonetheless, he said, a radical and integrated approach was needed to help Australians kick the welfare habit.

Prof Saunders has taken a leaf out of the book of former United States president Bill Clinton, whose 1996 Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act set targets for each state to encourage those on the dole to be involved in "work activities".

While many claimed it would blow out poverty, the laws - coupled with tax changes - cut the number of Americans on welfare payments by 60 per cent over five years and child poverty dropped to its lowest level in 30 years.

The solution for Australia lay in a number of economic and social measures, Prof Saunders said:

* Time limits for unemployment benefits with full-time Work For the Dole after six months;

* An expectation that parenting payment claimants should return to work once their children went to school;

* Tighter eligibility criteria for disability support pensions, which had ballooned in the past 20 years even though Australians have become more healthy;

* Financial penalties for welfare system abusers;

* Lower income taxes;

* A freer labour market to create more jobs for the low-skilled;

* Support for families to save and insure for unforeseen expenses.

Prof Saunders said while there had been some positive reform by the Keating and Howard governments, such as the move towards the principle of mutual obligation, governments were still too afraid of alienating voters.

"There is a failure of imagination in both of our political parties on this - they are running scared," he said.

He said it while it was more likely that voters would support welfare reform under a Labor government than a coalition administration, the issue cut across political ideologies

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/08/03/109...
GoGoBar

Thailand

#109790 Jun 29, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>I hate tell you but those 50 million Starving americans on Food Stamps are on Food Stamps because they choose to and dont want to work and prefer to part of the welfare society that the Federal Government created.
That is democracy in action. The representatives of the people have given the hungry voters what they want.

It has happened in every other Western country sooner than the US because the US was the ONLY industrialised nation not bombed out of manufacturing after WW11. The privilaged postition of the USA as the reserve currency of the world and the ONLY exporter did come to an end in the 1970's.

Now you are just like every other country.

Of the G20 economies, only 6 countries spend less on their citizens than the USA. The people of the USA are just demanding that their money be spent on them, rather than the 1% at the top.

Or you could lower your wages accross the board and compete. But that is up to the Corporations, or is it up to the people?

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