It's the Guns, Stupid

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“And that's the end of the issue”

Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

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Marauder

Valdez, AK

#109473 Jun 23, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
I am trying to reduce death by gun at the hands of idiots. let's see how do I explain this to a retard American gun idiot, nope too hard! You will just have to try to extrapolate genius!
You're irrelevant.

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#109474 Jun 23, 2013
Mr NaughtyBits wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, and you JUST LOVE that 'DOG SAUSAGE' doncha?
:-))
There in lies the lack of intelligence so prevalent with yanks....if I feed them to my dogs to encourage them to focus on attacking male genitalia, how on earth do you get that I like them within cooee of me without my expressed permission?
It takes a special kind of retard to gather such false information from what was actually posted...and we have definite proof that you are that!

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#109475 Jun 23, 2013
demtel wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you know what an age demograpic is ?
A demographic cant be ONE age... go and look up what it means before you try and argue Mrs Centrelink.
NOooooooo!(sarc)

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#109476 Jun 23, 2013
demtel wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL I Knew it... every fat welfare bogan has to have dogs, its like a tool of the trade.
Do you wear you k-mart tracksuit with dog hair and ugg boots in the centrelink line ?
Oprah must be a fat welfare bogan then eh? Want me to keep naming all the wealthy who own two dogs, it makes you statement one of sheer ignorance, you are dumb and ignorant, big shock eh!

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#109477 Jun 23, 2013
Brodie wrote:
<quoted text>DAMN RIGHT!
You need a real gun to do that job!
Make sure you give my pistol a bloody good polish ;)
Why don't you do what all gun loving idiots normally do and polish it yourself.

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#109478 Jun 23, 2013
demtel wrote:
<quoted text>
Very good site.
Australian cities are very violent crime ridden shit holes at night, especially in the ethic ghettos or welfare areas.
I know and American cities are soooooo safe! ROTFLMAO.

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#109479 Jun 23, 2013
Aquarius-WY wrote:
<quoted text>
"They can't do anything in their own life and try to control other people."
Well then, let's hope that they are as successful with the second half of your sentence as they have been in the first half eh.
And notice all gun owners are retarded, gun hyped lunatics that love to see shoot em ups so they can think they would act like hero's in every scenario....LOL.

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#109480 Jun 23, 2013
Marauder wrote:
<quoted text>
You're irrelevant.
Then why the need to tell me as if you believe I am, a tad defeatist there eh? You dumb noong.
GoGoBar

Sriracha, Thailand

#109481 Jun 23, 2013
Marauder wrote:
<quoted text>
"More violence than other Nations. Guns dont help.LOL"
Heres the rest of his comment that you left off;
"The U.S. has more violence than other nations for reasons unrelated to its extraordinarily high gun ownership."
Yep, the reasons were in the text.

"the more intransigent causes of American violence, including its dying cities, inequality, deteriorating family structure, and the all- pervasive economic and social consequences of a history of slavery and racism."

Of course his study did not include Murder, Mass Shootings or Murder Suicides.

You might notice his recomendations.
sid

Brisbane, Australia

#109482 Jun 23, 2013
demtel wrote:
<quoted text>
Yet when you speak about Australia its "we".
What are your achievements ? Finishing kindergarten ?
Sucking up to Ahomonas fat welfare dependant arse ?
Riding on the back of other individuals achievements or scientific break through's means nothing, just because an australian had something to do with discovering penicillin doesn't make me a great person. If an american run an 9 second 100 meters does that make you a great runner.
Demtel

Stavropol, Russia

#109483 Jun 23, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
Oprah must be a fat welfare bogan then eh? Want me to keep naming all the wealthy who own two dogs, it makes you statement one of sheer ignorance, you are dumb and ignorant, big shock eh!
No, Oprah has a job and contributes to society unlike you who just takes.

I will go through it in more baby like easy to understand terms just for you.
I am not saying everyone that has dogs is a bogan, I am saying all unemployed welfare bogans own dogs. The fact that they are unemployed welfare bogans has already been established, owning dogs is added after the fact. This is plain english 101 and anyone with even a limited education could understand this.

The more you talk, the more obvious it is that you left school at a young age.
Demtel

Stavropol, Russia

#109484 Jun 23, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
I am trying to reduce death by gun at the hands of idiots. let's see how do I explain this to a retard American gun idiot, nope too hard! You will just have to try to extrapolate genius!
You really think you are that influential ? You ? An unemployed parasite with no education and the personality of mentally impaired gorilla.

Who do you think is going to ever be convinced by anything you have written to rush out and change gun laws ? Do you really think congress gives a shit what a slug on welfare has to say about anything ?

You keep calling everyone a retard, but its you that appears to have the low education and IQ.
The only thing you offer is uneducated opinion based on articles you have plagiarized from less than reliable websites.
sid

Brisbane, Australia

#109485 Jun 23, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> I bested you in a comparison of the U.S. vs Australia. It was an easy achievement.
I didn't know there was a competition going, maybe this has something to do with the constant state of war that america is in, war on drugs,war on poverty, war on terrorism, war on cancer, a war like mentality and a pathological need to win. Ok you win on statistics, feel good now, but the 30,000 or so shot last year and their families probably don't feel so good cause you win an argument on statistics.
I don't really give a fcuk about statistics, one dead unnecessarily is one too many.
And 22 kids dead is not just a shame or as you would call it " collateral damage" it's a fcuking national disgrace and you should hang your head in shame that such a thing could happen is a so called highly developed country. Your manic need to own guns won't, and hasn't protected you from your tyrannical government, they already fcuking own you, just like our governments owns us, they won't take you on with guns they don't need to.
Demtel

Stavropol, Russia

#109486 Jun 23, 2013
sid wrote:
<quoted text>
Riding on the back of other individuals achievements or scientific break through's means nothing, just because an australian had something to do with discovering penicillin doesn't make me a great person. If an american run an 9 second 100 meters does that make you a great runner.
Then what is he supposed to say for "we Americans" ??? Americans and I ? Well ?
How is this wrong ?
Very weak argument you have Sid, just to try and suck up to Ahomona.
I don't think you need to try hard to impress her with her grade 3 education.
sid

Brisbane, Australia

#109487 Jun 23, 2013
Teaman wrote:
<quoted text>
What would be your assessment, Sid?
I feel it is the drug culture introduced in the mid-sixties. The entitlement mentality. A loser raised on government programs has no sense of accomplishment or self worth gains a certain amount of respect in his world with a gun.
I agree, put a gun in the hands of some crazy drug fcuked loser and he's a king, but the point I am trying to make is not about the gun it's why is there a drug fcuked loser and what made him what he is and why does he have an utter disregard for himself and the rest of society. What produced the antisocial careless selfish attitude. I am not criticising america here, this is a universal problem. Your and my societies are fundamentally ill, crime is not a disease it is an overt symptom of an underlying condition, a sickness of the psyche that manifests overtly in antisocial violence. Yes australia is a violent society just like yours and lots of places I won't go at night and it's getting worse so what does that tell me, it tells me there is a basic flaw in the ethos of our society that is destroying it from within. There is something very badly wrong with the capitalist industrial system because the crime and filth we see is a product of it.
Before anyone jumps on me, the communist/socialist systems are no different or better, I see them simply as concentrated capitalist systems where the government is the boss not individuals.
A simplistic view is that there is more than enough to go around but it's not distributed anywhere near evenly enough, it always seems strange to me why in countries like america and australia that are so rich why so many are doing it so hard, absolutely busting their arses just to keep their heads above water. I seems that our governments and industry own our countries and it's wealth and us citizens are only allowed the crumbs that fall from their table. Give us just enough to get by and keep us in a state of not quite pissed off enough to revolt against the system.
Anything that manifests in the material world is a manifestation of the thinking behind it, it is not the problem itself, it is a result of the problem.

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#109488 Jun 23, 2013
Demtel wrote:
<quoted text>
No, Oprah has a job and contributes to society unlike you who just takes.
I will go through it in more baby like easy to understand terms just for you.
I am not saying everyone that has dogs is a bogan, I am saying all unemployed welfare bogans own dogs. The fact that they are unemployed welfare bogans has already been established, owning dogs is added after the fact. This is plain english 101 and anyone with even a limited education could understand this.
The more you talk, the more obvious it is that you left school at a young age.
Your rhetoric is as boring as bat shit, the constant ramblings of a retard loser, a loser with a gun who would have thought eh!
Demtel

Stavropol, Russia

#109489 Jun 23, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
Your rhetoric is as boring as bat shit, the constant ramblings of a retard loser, a loser with a gun who would have thought eh!
If anyone is boring its you.
You have nothing at all to offer the world, you are just a drain.
You think you can any a loser ? YOU ??? A person that subsists on welfare and expects other to pay for her life. A person with low intelligence and limited education with an awful personality.
It's no wonder you have gone nowhere in life.
I would love for you to speak publicly, anyone in the media would tear you to pieces in 30 seconds.
Lol even with all your spare time and a know it all personality you let yourself become overweight ha ha ha !
Is there anything you can succeed in ?
You should have a look at yourself before you tell anyone else what they should do.
Teaman

Mount Holly, NJ

#109490 Jun 23, 2013
sid wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree, put a gun in the hands of some crazy drug fcuked loser and he's a king, but the point I am trying to make is not about the gun it's why is there a drug fcuked loser and what made him what he is and why does he have an utter disregard for himself and the rest of society. What produced the antisocial careless selfish attitude. I am not criticising america here, this is a universal problem. Your and my societies are fundamentally ill, crime is not a disease it is an overt symptom of an underlying condition, a sickness of the psyche that manifests overtly in antisocial violence. Yes australia is a violent society just like yours and lots of places I won't go at night and it's getting worse so what does that tell me, it tells me there is a basic flaw in the ethos of our society that is destroying it from within. There is something very badly wrong with the capitalist industrial system because the crime and filth we see is a product of it.
Before anyone jumps on me, the communist/socialist systems are no different or better, I see them simply as concentrated capitalist systems where the government is the boss not individuals.
A simplistic view is that there is more than enough to go around but it's not distributed anywhere near evenly enough, it always seems strange to me why in countries like america and australia that are so rich why so many are doing it so hard, absolutely busting their arses just to keep their heads above water. I seems that our governments and industry own our countries and it's wealth and us citizens are only allowed the crumbs that fall from their table. Give us just enough to get by and keep us in a state of not quite pissed off enough to revolt against the system.
Anything that manifests in the material world is a manifestation of the thinking behind it, it is not the problem itself, it is a result of the problem.
I don't get into that my country is better than your country crap. We are both great countries, but, as you say, both are suffering from some sort of societal illness. I'm not sure what it is.

I wouldn't say it's the wealth not being distributed even enough. About 47% of the public here is receiving some sort of government help. The mentioned gun toting loser is probably receiving food stamps, rent assistance or free housing, welfare, utility assistance, free lunch at school (if he hasn't dropped out), a free phone, and other benefits including Medicaid. The old saying goes, what costs nothing is worth nothing. No sweat equity, no value.

You may have hit on something in regard to big government and its relationship with industry or government corporatism. Corporations are in bed with the government and can do as they please as long as it does what the government wants. This symbiotic relationship lines the pockets of the politicians and the politicians protect the corporation with subsidies and bailouts.

There is too much government and we all pay for it and barely keeping our heads above water doing it. I don't think schools are keeping up with a changing world. They still produce workers while we have distribution warehouses completely run by robots.



I think the biggest society illness is the breakdown of the family and, as you said, a lack of ethics or honesty. The average slum loser has a single mom and a number of half brothers and sisters all with different fathers. No structure, no self respect or self worth.
GoGoBar

Sriracha, Thailand

#109491 Jun 23, 2013
One half havent got any income and the other half are wasting it on bmw's and japanese jet skis or hiding it to avoid taxes.
I have to say that the baby boomers and retirees are not exactly putting their money back into the domestic economies either.
A lot of money is going up into the air in text messages and internet plans. The only way to recoup that expense is to buy cheaply online and kill the retail industry shopfronts.
Still, there is plenty of money to be made if you have the talent and willpower. It is just more difficult and takes a bit more risk.

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#109492 Jun 23, 2013
Demtel wrote:
<quoted text>
If anyone is boring its you.
You have nothing at all to offer the world, you are just a drain.
You think you can any a loser ? YOU ??? A person that subsists on welfare and expects other to pay for her life. A person with low intelligence and limited education with an awful personality.
It's no wonder you have gone nowhere in life.
I would love for you to speak publicly, anyone in the media would tear you to pieces in 30 seconds.
Lol even with all your spare time and a know it all personality you let yourself become overweight ha ha ha !
Is there anything you can succeed in ?
You should have a look at yourself before you tell anyone else what they should do.
Yawn.

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