It's the Guns, Stupid

Apr 20, 2007 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Truthdig

“And that's the end of the issue”

Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

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“Evolved hunter/gatherer”

Since: Jan 08

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#109298 Jun 20, 2013
GoGoBar wrote:
All of these American economic rip offs have occurred without a shot being fired in protest!
The common man has as much chance of defending his economic and political integrity as he has of defending his life.
14900 murders per year
221 self defence homicides
The USA should elect a Monarch to champion the people.
The progressive think they have already elected one.
Louiston

Des Moines, IA

#109299 Jun 20, 2013
GoGo Bar wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL. You have been implementing his ideas. LOL.
Hardly!
Teaman

Savannah, GA

#109300 Jun 20, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>he was for Socialism in some form and not for Capitalism where everything is privately owned and controlled by the Plutocracy which Capitalism rejects a Federal Republic like here in US where the majority can vote themselves someone else money.
Ah! I see where you're going now. In the beginning, only property owners voted. That was in place to prevent the public from robbing the treasury or voting someone else's money. Property owners has skin in the game.

Before all of the progressives in this thread go off with your rich man stuff, a common farmer and sop keeper was a property owner. Anyone who owned a house was a property owner.

In Savannah, heading home to the people's republic of NJ.:-)
Teaman

Savannah, GA

#109301 Jun 20, 2013
GoGoBar wrote:
<quoted text>
What Bank went under? Yours?
You have no idea. They swapped the Banks going under for the Govt.
There was no way back aftyer the Bush Wars. Unless you thin k yopu are sasfe. LOL.
That post didn't make any sense. That last sentence suggests you're nearing the end of that bottle.

Since: Aug 11

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#109302 Jun 20, 2013
Teaman wrote:
<quoted text>
Ah! I see where you're going now. In the beginning, only property owners voted. That was in place to prevent the public from robbing the treasury or voting someone else's money. Property owners has skin in the game.
Before all of the progressives in this thread go off with your rich man stuff, a common farmer and sop keeper was a property owner. Anyone who owned a house was a property owner.
In Savannah, heading home to the people's republic of NJ.:-)
if the US was ture Capitalism there wouldnt be no need for taxes because everything in society would be controlled by a private individual or a Plutocarcy which was the goal of JP Morgan and goal of the Creatures that used to gather at Jekyll Island which they had devised a plan to take over the US just like Lenin did in Russia with their help.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#109303 Jun 20, 2013
Teaman wrote:
<quoted text>
Ah! I see where you're going now. In the beginning, only property owners voted. That was in place to prevent the public from robbing the treasury or voting someone else's money. Property owners has skin in the game.
Before all of the progressives in this thread go off with your rich man stuff, a common farmer and sop keeper was a property owner. Anyone who owned a house was a property owner.
In Savannah, heading home to the people's republic of NJ.:-)
I forgot, but 60 years ago here in Indiana Property Owners mostly Farmers ruled because they controlled most of the land and were given and allowed more say in how tax dollars got spent where now here in Indiana they dont and those individuals that are living in Section 8 housing & getting other entitlements can have a say now and dont have to have any skin or sweat in the game because of the Modern Pseudo Liberals and their Great Society.
Teaman

Savannah, GA

#109304 Jun 20, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>if the US was ture Capitalism there wouldnt be no need for taxes because everything in society would be controlled by a private individual or a Plutocarcy which was the goal of JP Morgan and goal of the Creatures that used to gather at Jekyll Island which they had devised a plan to take over the US just like Lenin did in Russia with their help.
I don't think we had a free market economy since the Federal Reserve was created if that is what you're getting at. That was the beginning of the crony capitalism we have now.

BTW, end the fed is a tea party goal, libertarians anyway.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#109305 Jun 20, 2013
Teaman wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't think we had a free market economy since the Federal Reserve was created if that is what you're getting at. That was the beginning of the crony capitalism we have now.
BTW, end the fed is a tea party goal, libertarians anyway.
The Federal Reserve is the actual plutocracy and advocates true Capitalism besides who has been buying most of the US Government debt with their quantum easing monetary policy since finiancal crisis hit in 2008 which one day the Federal Reserve will own the US and become the actual Plutocracy and the US Government as we know it will be no more besides the Federal Reserve has more control on the Economical Activity than people think because its independent of the Federal Government & is considered as Private Instituion which was planned & created by the Creatrues from Jekyll Island and thoses are the ones too that assisted Lenin's takeover of Russia.

“Some people think that the Federal Reserve Banks are United States Government institutions. They are private monopolies which prey upon the people of these United States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign customers; foreign and domestic speculators and swindlers; and rich and predatory money lenders.”

– The Honorable Louis McFadden, Chairman of the House Banking and Currency Committee in the 1930s

Who Owns The Federal Reserve?

The Fed is privately owned. Its shareholders are private banks

http://www.globalresearch.ca/who-owns-the-fed...
Teaman

Savannah, GA

#109306 Jun 20, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>The Federal Reserve is the actual plutocracy and advocates true Capitalism besides who has been buying most of the US Government debt with their quantum easing monetary policy since finiancal crisis hit in 2008 which one day the Federal Reserve will own the US and become the actual Plutocracy and the US Government as we know it will be no more besides the Federal Reserve has more control on the Economical Activity than people think because its independent of the Federal Government & is considered as Private Instituion which was planned & created by the Creatrues from Jekyll Island and thoses are the ones too that assisted Lenin's takeover of Russia.
“Some people think that the Federal Reserve Banks are United States Government institutions. They are private monopolies which prey upon the people of these United States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign customers; foreign and domestic speculators and swindlers; and rich and predatory money lenders.”
– The Honorable Louis McFadden, Chairman of the House Banking and Currency Committee in the 1930s
Who Owns The Federal Reserve?
The Fed is privately owned. Its shareholders are private banks
http://www.globalresearch.ca/who-owns-the-fed...
I think I'm beginning to understand your use of the word capitalism. That had me confused for a while. A capitalist is one who owns capital. Capitalism is a misused term for a free market. Your use of the word I agree with. A few people own most of the capital of the country. End the fed!

“Evolved hunter/gatherer”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#109307 Jun 20, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>The Federal Reserve is the actual plutocracy and advocates true Capitalism besides who has been buying most of the US Government debt with their quantum easing monetary policy since finiancal crisis hit in 2008 which one day the Federal Reserve will own the US and become the actual Plutocracy and the US Government as we know it will be no more besides the Federal Reserve has more control on the Economical Activity than people think because its independent of the Federal Government & is considered as Private Instituion which was planned & created by the Creatrues from Jekyll Island and thoses are the ones too that assisted Lenin's takeover of Russia.
“Some people think that the Federal Reserve Banks are United States Government institutions. They are private monopolies which prey upon the people of these United States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign customers; foreign and domestic speculators and swindlers; and rich and predatory money lenders.”
– The Honorable Louis McFadden, Chairman of the House Banking and Currency Committee in the 1930s
Who Owns The Federal Reserve?
The Fed is privately owned. Its shareholders are private banks
http://www.globalresearch.ca/who-owns-the-fed...
That was an informative read. Thanks.
Goats milk

Sydney, Australia

#109308 Jun 20, 2013
You know what I say we have a few issues.

Guns and violence is one, immigration is another, and Clean energy and the environment is up there also.

Renewables such as wind and solar are free. You make the turbine and put it in and you have to do very little after that. You don't have to keep buying the wind!

You make the solar panels put them in and you are done, you don't have to buy the sun!

You make the geothermal setup and it produces electricity 24/7, you don't have to buy that either!

On a large scale, and whether you like it or not these technologies are growing, especially wind power, you use the electricity generated to straight into electrolysis. That yeilds hydrogen and oxygen in the perfect 2:1 ratio to be reacted back.

The hydrogen (and oxygen if desired) is stored. I've done this electrolysis experiment myself, a child can do it. you have hydrogen coming off at the negative terminal and oxygen coming off at the positive terminal.

Collect the gas, store it and you have a portible source of energy. Can be used in cars, planes even porible generators.

And the best part about this method is yes it is 100% clean. 100%

And hydrogen gives off a lot of energy when combusted and it gives off the usual heat but insead of co2 and all the rest plus potential carcinogens You know what comes out the cars tailpipe?

A big steamy emission. Water!

In a hydrogen powered generator, car, plane, power station. The waste product is not a waste product at all, it's harmless water!

no need to store simple water for 300 years or risk of a nuclear disaster if the reactor is damaged.

This is the future, nuclear is not. The future is hydrogen from renewables.

This is why there is such strong interest and investment in renewables.

Hydrogen is the storage of renewable energy.

It is 100% clean the energy is free and it will happen.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#109309 Jun 20, 2013
Teaman wrote:
<quoted text>
I think I'm beginning to understand your use of the word capitalism. That had me confused for a while. A capitalist is one who owns capital. Capitalism is a misused term for a free market. Your use of the word I agree with. A few people own most of the capital of the country. End the fed!
Right Capitalism is a misused term for advocating a Free Market which isnt the goal of true Capitalism, to understand Capitalism I tell people to set down and play the Game Monopoly which at the end of the Game there is only one winner who controls it all and owns it all at the end of the game which is the goal of True Capitalism and what was the goal of JD Rockefeller Sr. too with his Standard Oil Monopoly of the Gas & Oil Industry which he controlled until the US Federal Government which is Socialsist by our form of Government that allows the Federal Government to get in economically which goes against true Capitalism and still is but at the time used the Sherman Anti Trust Act to break up and destroy JD Rockefeller Sr. Standard Oil Monopoly which monopolies are inherit to true Capitalism and once the Government cross the line and gets partly involved economically that is Socialism.
Goats milk

Sydney, Australia

#109310 Jun 20, 2013
Wind power and solar power to make hydrogen via electrolysis. Yep. Pretty simple, and it is the future. Australia wants renewables on a large scale so we can make hydrogen via electrolysis.

With projects like this going on, we don't need side show hopping mad freaks who are two cents short of two bob running around with automatic weapons. No bloody way, we don't need dickheads getting drunk and shooting signs and trees. Actually we don' need guns, we don't need people getting drunk and we don't need dickiheadies.
Goats milk

Sydney, Australia

#109311 Jun 20, 2013
Yes that's right, I am totally against guns.
Apple

Thanjavur, India

#109312 Jun 20, 2013
Goats milk wrote:
You know what I say we have a few issues.
Guns and violence is one, immigration is another, and Clean energy and the environment is up there also.
Renewables such as wind and solar are free. You make the turbine and put it in and you have to do very little after that. You don't have to keep buying the wind!
You make the solar panels put them in and you are done, you don't have to buy the sun!
You make the geothermal setup and it produces electricity 24/7, you don't have to buy that either!
On a large scale, and whether you like it or not these technologies are growing, especially wind power, you use the electricity generated to straight into electrolysis. That yeilds hydrogen and oxygen in the perfect 2:1 ratio to be reacted back.
The hydrogen (and oxygen if desired) is stored. I've done this electrolysis experiment myself, a child can do it. you have hydrogen coming off at the negative terminal and oxygen coming off at the positive terminal.
Collect the gas, store it and you have a portible source of energy. Can be used in cars, planes even porible generators.
And the best part about this method is yes it is 100% clean. 100%
And hydrogen gives off a lot of energy when combusted and it gives off the usual heat but insead of co2 and all the rest plus potential carcinogens You know what comes out the cars tailpipe?
A big steamy emission. Water!
In a hydrogen powered generator, car, plane, power station. The waste product is not a waste product at all, it's harmless water!
no need to store simple water for 300 years or risk of a nuclear disaster if the reactor is damaged.
This is the future, nuclear is not. The future is hydrogen from renewables.
This is why there is such strong interest and investment in renewables.
Hydrogen is the storage of renewable energy.
It is 100% clean the energy is free and it will happen.
If it will happen then why don't you f off, why do you need to keep going on about it ?
You sound like a real nut, pity they closed down all the mental institutes you would have been in one for sure.
Goats milk

Sydney, Australia

#109313 Jun 20, 2013
Apple wrote:
<quoted text>
If it will happen then why don't you f off, why do you need to keep going on about it ?
You sound like a real nut, pity they closed down all the mental institutes you would have been in one for sure.
Well you are a bloody charmer mate. How's that buffalo milk going? Not as good as the goats milk mate.

You talk in absolutes, if it is going to happen.

We need to get technology going dicki

We can make it happen or use your attitude.

That's why India is bursting at the seams but contributes f all?
Goats milk

Sydney, Australia

#109314 Jun 20, 2013
Sorry I take that back, buffalo milk is actually not bad.

But you are a dick or the circumcised variety with herpes.
Goats milk

Sydney, Australia

#109315 Jun 20, 2013
Why don't you f off apple?

yeah you heard.
australia is a nation of

Clearlake, CA

#109316 Jun 20, 2013
amazed wrote:
Some idiotic nra member said it wouldnt have happened if all the students had guns. Try tell me that aint brainless.
bags

“Evolved hunter/gatherer”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#109317 Jun 20, 2013
Goats milk wrote:
You know what I say we have a few issues.
Guns and violence is one, immigration is another, and Clean energy and the environment is up there also.
Renewables such as wind and solar are free. You make the turbine and put it in and you have to do very little after that. You don't have to keep buying the wind!
You make the solar panels put them in and you are done, you don't have to buy the sun!
You make the geothermal setup and it produces electricity 24/7, you don't have to buy that either!
On a large scale, and whether you like it or not these technologies are growing, especially wind power, you use the electricity generated to straight into electrolysis. That yeilds hydrogen and oxygen in the perfect 2:1 ratio to be reacted back.
The hydrogen (and oxygen if desired) is stored. I've done this electrolysis experiment myself, a child can do it. you have hydrogen coming off at the negative terminal and oxygen coming off at the positive terminal.
Collect the gas, store it and you have a portible source of energy. Can be used in cars, planes even porible generators.
And the best part about this method is yes it is 100% clean. 100%
And hydrogen gives off a lot of energy when combusted and it gives off the usual heat but insead of co2 and all the rest plus potential carcinogens You know what comes out the cars tailpipe?
A big steamy emission. Water!
In a hydrogen powered generator, car, plane, power station. The waste product is not a waste product at all, it's harmless water!
no need to store simple water for 300 years or risk of a nuclear disaster if the reactor is damaged.
This is the future, nuclear is not. The future is hydrogen from renewables.
This is why there is such strong interest and investment in renewables.
Hydrogen is the storage of renewable energy.
It is 100% clean the energy is free and it will happen.
"In a hydrogen powered generator, car, plane, power station. The waste product is not a waste product at all, it's harmless water!"

Incorrect.
In a hydrogen generator, it is water that is first placed in the cooker/generator. It is then heated by passing electricity through it and converting it to a gas. It is a gas that contains 2 parts hydrogen and 1 part oxygen. The combustable gas of the two is hydrogen. It burns. The oxygen acts as the catalyst just like in an oxy/acetalene torch. The oxygen provides the added "air" for the hydrogen to burn.
You are NOT creating an emission of water, you are consuming it. You are not giving off water, you are burning 2/3 of what water is, and the other 1/3 is also consumed to provide a more powerful combustion.

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