It's the Guns, Stupid

It's the Guns, Stupid

There are 103321 comments on the Truthdig story from Apr 20, 2007, titled It's the Guns, Stupid. In it, Truthdig reports that:

“And that's the end of the issue”

Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

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“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#108528 May 30, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
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Not in my country and not on this Australian forum thread...the foreigner here SIR, is YOU!:)
Here's a copy/paste from the top of my page: "Posted in the Guns Forum". No "Australia" to be found anywhere.
Stop Deleting My Posts

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Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#108534 May 30, 2013
Armed Veteran wrote:
<quoted text>
Here's a copy/paste from the top of my page: "Posted in the Guns Forum". No "Australia" to be found anywhere.
it is in the Australia Forum I looked it up a while back ago.

It's the Guns, Stupid

Posted in the Australia Forum

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/australia/TI...

“Evolved hunter/gatherer”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#108535 May 30, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
Not in my country and not on this Australian forum thread...the foreigner here SIR, is YOU!:)
You have repeatedly been informed that this is NOT the Australian forum here. It CLEARLY says "Guns Forum" on top of my page.

“Evolved hunter/gatherer”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#108536 May 30, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
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Careful there Moose, you are not only losing the debates with me, you are also starting to wander into crazy land.
U R dillusional.

“Evolved hunter/gatherer”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#108537 May 30, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
Go ahead, you are the most obese nation in the world, it seems (like your gun deaths) to be working in your favor, as you are number one in that too SIR. Onyer LOL !
We like being number 1.
What else ya got?
GoGoBar

Thailand

#108538 May 30, 2013
Forks cause obesity. LOL.

It is just the opposite.

It is the unarmed combat with hot dogs, hamburgers, fried chicken, frnch fries, oversized slurpies that do the damage.

If meals were healthy and regular using cutlery the problem would be moderated.
bobby6464

Portland, OR

#108539 May 30, 2013
GoGoBar wrote:
Forks cause obesity. LOL.
It is just the opposite.
It is the unarmed combat with hot dogs, hamburgers, fried chicken, frnch fries, oversized slurpies that do the damage.
If meals were healthy and regular using cutlery the problem would be moderated.
Can you line me up with one of your 8 year old girlfriends?

Since: Dec 10

Balcatta, Australia

#108540 May 30, 2013
Aquarius-WY wrote:
<quoted text>
We like being number 1.
What else ya got?
That's all I need!

Since: Dec 10

Balcatta, Australia

#108541 May 30, 2013
Aquarius-WY wrote:
<quoted text>
U R dillusional.
That's what you crazies say, it's everyone else.

Since: Dec 10

Balcatta, Australia

#108542 May 30, 2013
bobby6464 wrote:
<quoted text>Can you line me up with one of your 8 year old girlfriends?
Why, isn't there enough children for you to sexually abuse in your own neighborhood, you sick bstard.?

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#108544 May 30, 2013
Brits want handgun ban repealed, says newspaper poll

An overwhelming majority of British citizens want their country’s handgun ban repealed, according to the results of an on-line poll conducted by the Daily Telegraph, described Wednesday as the United Kingdom’s “most widely read broadsheet newspaper” by the Commentator.

As this column was updated Thursday, more than 14,900 votes had been cast in the unscientific poll, and of those, 12,603 support a repeal of the 1997 gun ban, an 84.35 percent vote. It far out-distanced votes for several other measures that Britons would like to see introduced in the House of Commons, according to the newspaper.

For anti-gunners on both sides of the Atlantic, it is a devastating rejection of the gun ban philosophy. The ban was enacted following the Dunblane school massacre. The Commentator noted,“While gun crime soared after the British ban in 1997, rates of gun violence have fallen, especially in British cities, following more spending by police forces into tackling gun crime. Police in England and Wales recorded 5,911 firearms offences in 2011/12, a reduction of 42 percent compared with nine years earlier, according to the Office for National Statistics.”

But the Commentator also said this:

“But statistics from the United States show that guns are used by citizens to defend themselves around eighty times more often than they are used to take a life. A recent study published in the Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy concluded that there is a negative correlation between gun ownership and violent crime in countries internationally, that is,“where firearms are most dense violent crime rates are lowest, and where guns are least dense violent crime rates are highest."

Results of the poll were revealed Wednesday by the newspaper, which was still accepting votes as Examiner’s special late Wednesday edition was being written.

The Telegraph opened polling on May 24 and it did not take long for the votes to come rolling in. Regarding the handgun ban repeal suggestion, one reader observed,“After all, why should only criminals be ‘allowed’ to possess guns and shoot unarmed, defenceless citizens and police officers?”

Support for the handgun ban repeal eclipsed the 7.68 percent support for the next most popular idea, a flat tax, and left other suggestions in the dust. Those included a term limit for Prime Ministers, a ban on spitting, the greening of public spaces and closing something called the “child maintenance loophole.”

The suggestions were part of a discussion the newspaper reported about “Private Member Bills” that could be offered to Ministers of Parliament. According to the newspaper,“under Commons rules, any MP can introduce a bill, but only a few are ever debated. There is no indication that any of the suggested bills discussed by the newspaper will actually lead to legislation.

Next time anti-gunners in the United States point to Great Britain as a model they would like this country to follow, it is likely gun rights organizations and activists will point to the Daily Telegraph poll.

http://www.examiner.com/article/brits-want-ha...

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#108545 May 31, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>it is in the Australia Forum I looked it up a while back ago.
It's the Guns, Stupid
Posted in the Australia Forum
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/australia/TI...
Not that it matters a hill of beans, but I got to his thread in the Guns Forum. I have never been in the World/Australia Forum.
Jones

San Jose, CA

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“Evolved hunter/gatherer”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#108547 May 31, 2013
Aquarius-WY wrote:
<quoted text>
U R dillusional.
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
That's what you crazies say, it's everyone else.
Not everyone. Just you dear.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#108548 May 31, 2013
Armed Veteran wrote:
<quoted text>
Not that it matters a hill of beans, but I got to his thread in the Guns Forum. I have never been in the World/Australia Forum.
Topix cross links these Topics into different forums.
GoGoBar

Thailand

#108549 May 31, 2013
Truth is stranger than fiction.
But when you follow the money, it becomes clearer.

Who profits from effective gun control? Australia etc...

Who's biggest Corporate Domestic Industry loses?

The slaughters are just collateral damage.

5 x the murder rate is acceptable. Let them die.

1/3 of "The People" need to shoot at targets on aweekenmd.

The short term answer. The NRA suggests Federal Nanny State Armed Guards to protect the unarmed citizens. At everyone elses expence.

Nanny state with firearms. I thought thaty 3was what they didnt want.

But you have to look at the money.
Thai Dick

Indianapolis, IN

#108551 May 31, 2013
GoGoBar wrote:
Truth is stranger than fiction.
But when you follow the money, it becomes clearer.
Who profits from effective gun control? Australia etc...
Who's biggest Corporate Domestic Industry loses?
The slaughters are just collateral damage.
5 x the murder rate is acceptable. Let them die.
1/3 of "The People" need to shoot at targets on aweekenmd.
The short term answer. The NRA suggests Federal Nanny State Armed Guards to protect the unarmed citizens. At everyone elses expence.
Nanny state with firearms. I thought thaty 3was what they didnt want.
But you have to look at the money.
Your daughter called crying. The elementary school said she wouldn't stop propositioning the janitor.

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