It's the Guns, Stupid

There are 20 comments on the Truthdig story from Apr 20, 2007, titled It's the Guns, Stupid. In it, Truthdig reports that:

“And that's the end of the issue”

Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

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“Shall NOT be infringed!”

Since: Apr 13

San Jose, CA.

#107669 May 19, 2013
Sir Bucking Fastard wrote:
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Surely, SURELY you weren't expecting anything different from that Australian bulldyke, were you?
Is that you bud?(Can see you're posting from Washington state).
FormerParatroope r

Chicago, IL

#107670 May 19, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
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I would if any of you dumb gun toting looneys actually produced some....I See Connecticut has brought in some very strong gun laws in spite of the NRA turning up at their rally with automatic weapons to try and rally the support of it's members, they failed! The people of Connecticut overwhelmingly agreed to ALL the tough new laws....haha.
Automatic weapons? Not likely. Just hyperbole from the uneducated.

Connecticut can pass any legislation the General Assembly passes and the Governor signs. What counts is the followup court cases that defend whether the law is constitutional or not.

This is the process in a free society, government passes laws, the people either agree or petition the court.

“Shall NOT be infringed!”

Since: Apr 13

San Jose, CA.

#107671 May 19, 2013
FormerParatrooper wrote:
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Automatic weapons? Not likely. Just hyperbole from the uneducated.
Connecticut can pass any legislation the General Assembly passes and the Governor signs. What counts is the followup court cases that defend whether the law is constitutional or not.
This is the process in a free society, government passes laws, the people either agree or petition the court.
Which unfortunately is failing miserably due to the combining of the coequal branches of government. The government of the United States is degenerating into a tyranny.
FormerParatroope r

United States

#107673 May 19, 2013
GunShow1 wrote:
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Which unfortunately is failing miserably due to the combining of the coequal branches of government. The government of the United States is degenerating into a tyranny.
Heller, MacDonald....the Illinois CCW ban, all decided against Fed and State gov'ts. There is still hope.
Teaman

Mount Holly, NJ

#107674 May 19, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
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I would if any of you dumb gun toting looneys actually produced some....I See Connecticut has brought in some very strong gun laws in spite of the NRA turning up at their rally with automatic weapons to try and rally the support of it's members, they failed! The people of Connecticut overwhelmingly agreed to ALL the tough new laws....haha.
That's why that regulation belongs to the states. The people.:-)

“Shall NOT be infringed!”

Since: Apr 13

San Jose, CA.

#107675 May 19, 2013
FormerParatrooper wrote:
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Heller, MacDonald....the Illinois CCW ban, all decided against Fed and State gov'ts. There is still hope.
True. But, the government has, and continues to usurp authority and power not delegated. They are attempting to set themselves up as our 'god'. They disregard their bounds at will. And have totally abandoned our fundamental basics. What's worse, is that neither the branches and their relative departments. Or the military, take the solemn oaths they have taken seriously. And go along with the tyrannical usurpations. We used to be the most admired nation on earth. And now we are one of the most despised.

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#107676 May 19, 2013
GunShow1 wrote:
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Hope Connecticut has the money to deal with the lawsuits. Chicago and D.C. didn't fare to well before the U.S. Supreme Court.
With an overwhelming majority of people favouring the bans I don't think they will have a problem...and there are several other states watching Connecticut closely because they aim to do the same. The thing with those living in Connecticut is that they lived this tragedy and they have realised something must be done to remove weapons of war from their streets, they talked about it, and agreed that this had to be done....Well done to all those adult Conneticutian gun owners for taking such a bold and thoughtful step, others should be so brave.

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#107677 May 19, 2013
Teaman wrote:
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That's why that regulation belongs to the states. The people.:-)
Yes the irony wasn't lost on me there Teaman....and yes it is the States that will change the stance on making it illegal to buy guns such as AR15, and ammo....this is a good thing, they have not wanted to stop sportsmen shooting at targets or hunters or those that need certain weapons for their own protection...they are just trying to remove those guns that are useless anywhere other than a war zone...brave and valiant stance by a selection of Republicans and Democrats for pulling together to fight death threats and verbal abuse etc, to effect such a major change.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/04/0...

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#107678 May 19, 2013
FormerParatrooper wrote:
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Automatic weapons? Not likely. Just hyperbole from the uneducated.
Connecticut can pass any legislation the General Assembly passes and the Governor signs. What counts is the followup court cases that defend whether the law is constitutional or not.
This is the process in a free society, government passes laws, the people either agree or petition the court.
Well if the majority agree, it's decided then.

“Shall NOT be infringed!”

Since: Apr 13

San Jose, CA.

#107679 May 19, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
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With an overwhelming majority of people favouring the bans I don't think they will have a problem...and there are several other states watching Connecticut closely because they aim to do the same. The thing with those living in Connecticut is that they lived this tragedy and they have realised something must be done to remove weapons of war from their streets, they talked about it, and agreed that this had to be done....Well done to all those adult Conneticutian gun owners for taking such a bold and thoughtful step, others should be so brave.
Wow, you've jut proven how disconnected from reality you are concerning American government. First of all, there was NOT a "majority". Second, they are EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN in our Constitution from doing ANY such thing. It was just a knee-jerk reaction to a horrendous occurrence. We have no intention of becoming a crime-ridden laughing stock like Australia.
FormerParatroope r

United States

#107680 May 19, 2013
GunShow1 wrote:
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True. But, the government has, and continues to usurp authority and power not delegated. They are attempting to set themselves up as our 'god'. They disregard their bounds at will. And have totally abandoned our fundamental basics. What's worse, is that neither the branches and their relative departments. Or the military, take the solemn oaths they have taken seriously. And go along with the tyrannical usurpations. We used to be the most admired nation on earth. And now we are one of the most despised.
There are more citizens, to include the media that are waking up. Funny how even Piers Morgan has taken the tyrannical government argument seriously now.

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#107681 May 19, 2013
FormerParatrooper wrote:
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Heller, MacDonald....the Illinois CCW ban, all decided against Fed and State gov'ts. There is still hope.
Why should you care if Conneticut passes these laws, you don't live in Connecticut do you?

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#107682 May 19, 2013
GunShow1 wrote:
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True. But, the government has, and continues to usurp authority and power not delegated. They are attempting to set themselves up as our 'god'. They disregard their bounds at will. And have totally abandoned our fundamental basics. What's worse, is that neither the branches and their relative departments. Or the military, take the solemn oaths they have taken seriously. And go along with the tyrannical usurpations. We used to be the most admired nation on earth. And now we are one of the most despised.
1) your government is useless and has failed dismally to get any gun reform past, even when watered down, it is a number of brave and far seeing States that have managed all that.
2) America admired? ROTFLMAO.
FormerParatroope r

United States

#107683 May 19, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
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Yes the irony wasn't lost on me there Teaman....and yes it is the States that will change the stance on making it illegal to buy guns such as AR15, and ammo....this is a good thing, they have not wanted to stop sportsmen shooting at targets or hunters or those that need certain weapons for their own protection...they are just trying to remove those guns that are useless anywhere other than a war zone...brave and valiant stance by a selection of Republicans and Democrats for pulling together to fight death threats and verbal abuse etc, to effect such a major change.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/04/0...
The AR15 is a 5.56mm and a .223 caliber weapon depending on the model. It is used for hunting deer, elk, bear and other animals. It is also used for target shooting, rifle competition and home defense. The war zone argument is stupid. Bolt action rifles are used on the battlefield, ban those too? Muzzleloaders have been used in recent engagements, should they be banned as well? They all are war weapons.
FormerParatroope r

United States

#107684 May 19, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
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Well if the majority agree, it's decided then.
By the time it reaches the Supreme Court most will be overturned.

Common sense shows emotional reactions to tragedy seldom cures the problem. Gun control is not the cure nor based in common sense.
weirdgurs

Pittsburgh, PA

#107685 May 19, 2013
youtube.com/watch...
Bird that pooped on a Glass House has now Stained Glass
FormerParatroope r

United States

#107686 May 19, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
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Why should you care if Conneticut passes these laws, you don't live in Connecticut do you?
Rights are not based on a zip code.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#107687 May 19, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
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With an overwhelming majority of people favouring the bans I don't think they will have a problem...and there are several other states watching Connecticut closely because they aim to do the same. The thing with those living in Connecticut is that they lived this tragedy and they have realised something must be done to remove weapons of war from their streets, they talked about it, and agreed that this had to be done....Well done to all those adult Conneticutian gun owners for taking such a bold and thoughtful step, others should be so brave.
the Democrats here in US said that same thing in 1994 that the overwhelming majority of people here in the US favored and were for the 1994 Federal Assault Weapons they passed and the following November in 1994 the Democrats seen major losses in both the House and the Senate and the Republicans gained control of both Chambers and the Republicans are going to take control again in 2014 and just watch.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#107688 May 19, 2013
FormerParatrooper wrote:
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The AR15 is a 5.56mm and a .223 caliber weapon depending on the model. It is used for hunting deer, elk, bear and other animals. It is also used for target shooting, rifle competition and home defense. The war zone argument is stupid. Bolt action rifles are used on the battlefield, ban those too? Muzzleloaders have been used in recent engagements, should they be banned as well? They all are war weapons.
exactly

“Shall NOT be infringed!”

Since: Apr 13

San Jose, CA.

#107689 May 19, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
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1) your government is useless and has failed dismally to get any gun reform past, even when watered down, it is a number of brave and far seeing States that have managed all that.
2) America admired? ROTFLMAO.
I do indeed wish our government was "past". But thankfully, the traitors within our government were unable to >PASS< any 'gun control. Last time that gun control was >PASSED<. Most of the ones that did it were all VOTED OUT FOR EIGHT YEARS.

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