It's the Guns, Stupid

It's the Guns, Stupid

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“And that's the end of the issue”

Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

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Are

Huntsville, AL

#107544 May 16, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>Speaking about Social Security that was the Biggest Scam ever sold to the American People and was never intended to work as FDR sold to the American people because if you look up the US Census when FDR implemented Social Security a majority of people never lived to 65 to receive Social Security besides the 2 SCOTUS case rulings in Flemming v. Nestor(1960) and Helvering v. Davis(1937) which in 1937 in Helvering v. Davis the SCOTUS held that Social Security taxes are not contributions or savings at all, but simply taxes just like any other taxes, and that Social Security benefits are simply a government spending program and then in 1960 SCOTUS ruled in Flemming v. Nestor that Security taxes are simply taxes and conveyed that Individuals have no property or contractual rights to Social Security benefits which can be reduced or even eliminated by the US Federal Government at anytime at the discretion of the Federal Government choosing which is why I am against the Social Security scam which is even based on a Ponzi Scheme and besides the jobs are not here in the US to support the Social Security Scam like 40 years ago which is needed since Social Security is based on pay as you go system.
Social Security’s Sham Guarantee
http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/s...
Property Rights: The Hidden Issue of Social Security Reform
http://www.cato.org/publications/social-secur...
Social Security, Ponzi Schemes, and the Need for Reform
http://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analy...
you stoned? ADD?

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#107545 May 16, 2013
Are wrote:
<quoted text>
you stoned? ADD?
You are stoned because that about Social Security is Reality about the Pseudo Liberal's policies.
gofishman

Pittsburgh, PA

#107546 May 16, 2013
youtube.com/watch... …………… Duh Luck sometimes
with Humans
GoGoBar

Thailand

#107547 May 16, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>You are stoned because that about Social Security is Reality about the Pseudo Liberal's policies.
Interesting.
What is your policy?
Do bear in mind that legal contracts have been entered into with the taved pensione during his working life..
I dont

Huntsville, AL

#107548 May 16, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>You are stoned because that about Social Security is Reality about the Pseudo Liberal's policies.
think so. I guess what we are learning is that gunnut-ism isn't limited to just the gun fetish and includes calling Lincoln a communist, denigrating FDR, rewriting the definitions of liberal, and the racist and sexist crap that creeps into a lot of these posts.
spocko

Oakland, CA

#107549 May 16, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>Ballistic fingerprints can change
But won't ballistic registration help us catch those "stupid criminals" that buy a firearm from a gun store using their real name?
Well, not really. Unlike the human hand, there are many ways to change the ballistic fingerprints that a particular gun leaves. "Ballistic imprints, unlike fingerprints and DNA, can be altered, either deliberately or simply through normal use," says a document made available by the Fraternal Order of Police.9
The ballistic signature can be changed with numerous firings of the gun. While these changes are most pronounced when the gun is new, it is not difficult to intentionally change the signature later on.
Barrels and firing pins can be replaced (or filed), creating a brand new signature that does not exist in anybody's data base.10 Moreover, an astute criminal can simply use a gun which does not eject casings (such as a revolver) or use a brass catcher on a semi-automatic to prevent casings from being left at the scene of a crime.
http://gunowners.org/fs0203.htm
Completely false, modern ballistics can easily identify the original signature from alterations!
spocko

Oakland, CA

#107550 May 16, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>Speaking about Social Security that was the Biggest Scam ever sold to the American People and was never intended to work as FDR sold to the American people because if you look up the US Census when FDR implemented Social Security a majority of people never lived to 65 to receive Social Security besides the 2 SCOTUS case rulings in Flemming v. Nestor(1960) and Helvering v. Davis(1937) which in 1937 in Helvering v. Davis the SCOTUS held that Social Security taxes are not contributions or savings at all, but simply taxes just like any other taxes, and that Social Security benefits are simply a government spending program and then in 1960 SCOTUS ruled in Flemming v. Nestor that Security taxes are simply taxes and conveyed that Individuals have no property or contractual rights to Social Security benefits which can be reduced or even eliminated by the US Federal Government at anytime at the discretion of the Federal Government choosing which is why I am against the Social Security scam which is even based on a Ponzi Scheme and besides the jobs are not here in the US to support the Social Security Scam like 40 years ago which is needed since Social Security is based on pay as you go system.
Social Security’s Sham Guarantee
http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/s...
Property Rights: The Hidden Issue of Social Security Reform
http://www.cato.org/publications/social-secur...
Social Security, Ponzi Schemes, and the Need for Reform
http://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analy...
Complete nonsense you are a misinformed and pea-brained wingnuz ...

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#107551 May 16, 2013
I dont wrote:
<quoted text>
think so. I guess what we are learning is that gunnut-ism isn't limited to just the gun fetish and includes calling Lincoln a communist, denigrating FDR, rewriting the definitions of liberal, and the racist and sexist crap that creeps into a lot of these posts.
exactly and do some reading about Lincoln & FDR which were both progressives and favored communism which their polices lean towards.

How Capitalism Works

In this article, you'll explore capitalism: its roots, principles and effects, benefits and shortcomings. We'll find out how capitalism compares to the alternative method of doing business. Incidentally, the United States doesn't actually practice capitalism. No one does these days.

In pure capitalism, things like child labor laws, Social Security, anti-discriminatory hiring practices and a minimum wage have no place. Capitalism rejects all government intervention in economic matters(True Liberalism).

http://money.howstuffworks.com/capitalism1.ht...
GoGoBar

Thailand

#107552 May 16, 2013
Let us have a song.

Pop before the war
lunch before the score
steady as she goes
following my nose
I'm a bull mongrel
that's me

Shimon Peres
whatcha gonna do
I'm from detroit
blow the reveille
deatho knocko
that's me little ol'me
glamorous me

Johnny can't read
blah blah blah
I' can't see
blah blah blah
tuna on white
guns all night
blah blah blah

Cat taboo girl-
raped by an ape
cat taboo girl
jam the sucker in
you dig the mongrels
guardian of the state
says you gotta go
bombin' low

Senator Rambo
merrily you go
monkey butcher knows
a cab to find abank
a bank to find a loan
'cause you can't be alone
you dig the mongrels

Violent peace
blah blah blah
buy it right now
blah blah blah
we are the world
we are so huge
blah blah blah
johnny can't read
blah blah blah
I' can't see
blah blah blah
tuna on white
guns all night
blah blah blah

blue jeans coolies
everything huge
petrified food
pizza killers
from napalm to nice guy
nifty fifty
hit 'em where they live

the most spoiled brats
on god's green earth

pop before the war

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#107553 May 16, 2013
spocko wrote:
<quoted text>
Complete nonsense you are a misinformed and pea-brained wingnuz ...
no its not Complete Nonsense look up the two landmark SCOTUS cases of Flemming v. Nestor and Helvering v. Davis dealing with Social Security and you will find it's you that is misinformed and are a pea-brained Leninist Wingnuz... better wake up.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#107554 May 16, 2013
spocko wrote:
<quoted text>
Completely false, modern ballistics can easily identify the original signature from alterations!
not false at all it only makes sense when making a major change to a gun like changing the barrel which the original signature is going to change.

Ballistic Imaging: Not Ready for Prime Time

Ballistic imaging captures and stores a digital photograph of the striae (fine stripes) and other tiny marks on bullets and cartridge cases. Some gun control advocates refer to ballistic imaging as "ballistic fingerprinting," but this is misleading. Fingerprints are immutable. Ballistic markings can be made by several parts of a gun; they change over the life of a gun and can be easily altered by the gun owner.

Statistics about NIBIN's performance thus far were released at the November 6, 2002, meeting of the Southwest Association of Forensic Scientists in Scottsdale, Ariz., based on data supplied by 206 labs using NIBIN.15 According to the statistics released:
•
Of a total of 166,672 bullet entries collected by the labs, queries to the bullet image database had produced 264 "hits."

http://www.ctsportsmen.com/issues/ballistic_i...

GunShow1

“Shall NOT be infringed!”

Since: Apr 13

San Jose, CA.

#107555 May 16, 2013
spocko wrote:
<quoted text>
Completely false, modern ballistics can easily identify the original signature from alterations!
"The American citizens are intelligent, well educated, and awake to the preservation their liberties; every where armed, and trained to the use of arms, and comprising a militia of nearly a million of free men, Are such a country, and such a people, in jeopardy; as to their freedom, from the existence a standing army of ten thousand men?"

- John Bristed,[THE RESOURCES OF THE OF AMERICA; OR, A VIEW OF THE AGRICULTURAL, COMMERCIAL, MANUFACTURING, FINANCIAL, POLITICAL, LITERARY, MORAL AND RELIGIOUS CAPACITY AND CHARACTER or THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. BY JOHN BRISTED, COUNSELLOR AT LAW. AUTHOR OF THE RESOURCES Of THE BRITISH EMPIRE. PUBLISHED BY JAMES EASTBURN & CO. AT THE LITERARY ROOMS, BROADWAY, CORNHR OF PINE STREET. Abraham Paul, printer. 1818
Coo

Huntsville, AL

#107557 May 16, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>exactly and do some reading about Lincoln & FDR which were both progressives and favored communism which their polices lean towards.
koo, Cookoo, Cookoo.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#107559 May 16, 2013
Coo wrote:
<quoted text>
koo, Cookoo, Cookoo.
you are for sure, anyone that has to change their Topix post name continuously is koo, Cookoo, Cookoo.

GunShow1

“Shall NOT be infringed!”

Since: Apr 13

San Jose, CA.

#107560 May 16, 2013
Coo wrote:
<quoted text>
koo, Cookoo, Cookoo.
Yes, you most certainly are. And THIS is going to drive you even more so:

Directly from the U.S. LAW BOOK:

"29. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof: or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances [Amendments to the const. art. 1.[Pg. 72]

"30. The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed [Amend to const. art 2] ib

- Laws of The United States of America, From The 4th Of March, 1789, To The 4th Of March, 1815, Including The Constitution Of The United States, The Old Act of Confederation, Treaties, And Many Other Valuable Ordinances And Documents; WithCopious Notes And References. Arranged And Published Under The Authority Of An Act of Congress. In Five Volumes. Vol. V. Published By John Bioren And W. John Duane, Philidelphia, And R.C. Weightman, Washington City. 1815.

See any "militia" there? NO, you DON'T. Do you see "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED"? YES, YOU MOST CERTAINLY >DO<.

Good-bye, troll.
FormerParatroope r

Chicago, IL

#107562 May 16, 2013
GoGoBar wrote:
LOL> There should be a firearm registry for balistics.
As the firearm leaves the assembly line, it should be ballistically tested.
That trace should be stored against the serial number.
The serial number could be easily embedded on the inside of the frame of the firearm during casting.
Then it would be simpler for Authorities to trace the balistics of crimes where bullets are retreived back to a firearm sale. If the gun has been stolen then the police have somewhere to start. Instead of hoping that the gun has been used in a crime before and has a stored ballistic trace in an unsolved crime.
All modern firearms are serial numbered if manufactured in the US. Imported firearms, if no serial number exists, are serial numbered before sale.
spocko

Oakland, CA

#107564 May 16, 2013
GunShow1 wrote:
<quoted text>
"The American citizens are intelligent, well educated, and awake to the preservation their liberties; every where armed, and trained to the use of arms, and comprising a militia of nearly a million of free men, Are such a country, and such a people, in jeopardy; as to their freedom, from the existence a standing army of ten thousand men?"
- John Bristed,[THE RESOURCES OF THE OF AMERICA; OR, A VIEW OF THE AGRICULTURAL, COMMERCIAL, MANUFACTURING, FINANCIAL, POLITICAL, LITERARY, MORAL AND RELIGIOUS CAPACITY AND CHARACTER or THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. BY JOHN BRISTED, COUNSELLOR AT LAW. AUTHOR OF THE RESOURCES Of THE BRITISH EMPIRE. PUBLISHED BY JAMES EASTBURN & CO. AT THE LITERARY ROOMS, BROADWAY, CORNHR OF PINE STREET. Abraham Paul, printer. 1818
Oh - what happened to you moron?

GunShow1

“Shall NOT be infringed!”

Since: Apr 13

San Jose, CA.

#107565 May 16, 2013
spocko wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh - what happened to you moron?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =XVSRm80WzZkXX
You are the one living in the 'twilight zone'. And THIS is going to send you deeper into to outer space, traitor-troll:

"The amendment of the constitution of the United States, cited, secures "the right of the people to keep and bear arms;" nor will the constitution of the United States, or the rights of the States, or of the people, be infringed, and I am very confident not endangered, if the concurrent authority of the National Government is exercised to provide arms, establish magazines, &c. and to arm indeed the great body of the militia of the United States."

- Joseph Bloomfield, Dec. 29, 1809 letter to Colonel B. Tallmadge.[American State Papers. Class V. Military Affairs. Volume 1. DOCUMENTS LEGISLATIVE AND EXECUTIVE OF THE CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES FROM THE FIRST SESSION OF THE FIRST TO THE SECOND SESSION OF THE FIFTEENTH CONGRESS, INCLUSIVE: COMMENCING MARCH 3, 1789, AND ENDING MARCH 3 1819. SELECTED AND EDITED, UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF CONGRESS. BY WALTER LOWRIE Secretary of the Senate, AND MATTHEW ST, CLAIR CLARKE, Clerk of the House of Representatives. VOLUME WASHINGTON: PUBLISHED BY GALES AND SEATON 1832.](Joseph Bloomfield,(Oct. 18, 1753 – Oct. 3, 1823), was the fourth Governor of New Jersey. He was admitted to the bar in 1775 and began his law practice in Bridgeton, New Jersey. He entered the Continental Army as captain of the 3rd New Jersey Regiment on Feb. 9, 1776. He attained the rank of major on November 28, 1776, and was appointed judge advocate of the northern army. He was wounded at the Battle of Brandywine in September 1777. He resigned from the Continental Army on Oct. 28, 1778, after he was elected clerk of the New Jersey General Assembly. From 1795 to 1800 he served as Mayor of Burlington, New Jersey. At the start of the War of 1812 he was commissioned as a brigadier general in the United States Army on March 13, 1812. He served until June 15, 1815 along the Canadian border).

Imagine that! The People's Right won't be infringed if the National Government provides arms to the militia!

Good-bye, traitor-troll.

GunShow1

“Shall NOT be infringed!”

Since: Apr 13

San Jose, CA.

#107567 May 16, 2013
spocko wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh - what happened to you moron?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =XVSRm80WzZkXX
"As far as the whole body the people are necessary to the general defence, they ought to be armed; but the law ought to require more than is necessary; for that be a just cause of complaint."--Mr. Fitzsimons,[Pg. 1852]

"... Mr. Jackson said, that he was of opinion that the people of America would never consent to be deprived of the privilege of carrying arms. Though it may prove burthensome to some individuals to be obliged to arm themselves, yet it would not be so considered when the advantages were justly estimated."[Pg. 1852]

"In a Republic every man ought to be a soldier, and prepared to resist tyranny and usurpation, as well as invasion, and to prevent the greatest of all evils--a standing army. Mankind have been divided into three classes, Shepherds, Husbandmen, and Artificers--of which the last make the worst militia; but as the arts and sciences are the sources of great wealth to the community, which may excite the jealousy and avarice of neighbors, this class ought to be peculiarly qualified to defend themselves and repel invasions; and as this country is rising fast in manufactures, the arts and sciences, and from her fertile soil may expect great affluence, she ought to be able to protect that and her liberties from within herself ..."--Mr. Jackson [Pg. 1853]

"There are so few freemen in the United States who are not able to provide themselves arms and accoutrements, that any provision on the part of the United States is unnecessary and improper. He had no doubt that the people, if left to themselves, would provide arms as are necessary, without inconvenience or complaint; but if they are furnished by the United States, the public arsenals would soon be exhausted--and experience shows, that public property of this kind, from the careless manner in which many persons use it, is soon lost."--Mr. Sherman, Dec. 16, 1790.[Pg. 1854]

"He asked by what means minors were to themselves with the requisite articles? Many of them are apprentices. If you put arms into their hands, they will make good soldiers; but how are they to procure them? It is said, if they are supplied by the United States the property will be lost; if this is provided against, every objection may be obviated. He then offered an addition to the motion, providing for the return of the arms to the commanding officer."--Mr. Vining [Pg. 1855]

"Mr. Wadsworth apologized for detaining the attention of the committee a moment, while he asked the gentlemen who favored the motion what was the extent of their wishes? The motion at first appeared to be in favor of poor men, who are unable to purchase a firelock; but now it seems minors and apprentices are to be provided for. Is there a man in this House who would wish to see so large a proportion of the community, perhaps one-third armed by the United States, and liable to be disarmed by them? Nothing would tend more to excite suspicion, and rouse a jealousy dangerous to the Union. With respect to apprentices, every man knew that they were liable to this tax, and they were taken under the idea of being provided for by their masters; as to minors, their parents or guardians would prefer furnishing them with arms themselves, to depending on the United States when they knew they were liable to having them reclaimed." [Pg. 1855-56]....

- Annals of Congress. THE DEBATES AND PROCEEDINGS IN THE CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES; WITH AN APPENDIX, CONTAINING IMPORTANT STATE PAPERS AND PUBLIC DOCUMENTS, AND ALL THE LAWS OF A PUBLIC NATURE
http://gunshowonthenet.blogspot.com/2013/05/t...

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#107569 May 17, 2013
George H wrote:
<quoted text>Maybe, but at least we are not prisoners of mother england, we used our guns to throw that yoke off.
Was that after they burnt the Presidents mansion and had him and his men on the run...FYI the Brits gave it to you...you uneducated noong.

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