It's the Guns, Stupid

There are 20 comments on the Apr 20, 2007, Truthdig story titled It's the Guns, Stupid. In it, Truthdig reports that:

“And that's the end of the issue”

Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

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“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#107046 May 8, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>Far be it for you yanks to extrapolate but there are clear difference between Yank speak and Aussie speak...we regard anything that isn't manually fired as an automatic, be it semi or fully etc.
Here's a little clue for the clueless. Whether a firearm is single action, double action, semi-auto or full-auto, thay are all manually fired. You need to learn what you are talking about before you make yourself out to be an even bigger moron than you already are (if that is at all possible).
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>Like your politics, you call Democrats socialists (people with a conscience) We call our Labor party (democrats)or the socialist party....now I have figured this out because I am an Australian and we are born with the smarts to extrapolate, rationalise and listen...it is so unfortunate for you that a yank who is not born with the smarts can't even be educated as they are not given enough intelligence to open a can of spam.
Coming from a bigotted misandrist such as yourself, your opinion is a specious as it is irrelevant. GFY.
FormerParatroope r

Lawrenceville, GA

#107047 May 8, 2013
Larry wrote:
Without the cigarette there is no lung cancer.
Without the gun there is no shooting deaths.
There will always be people who dont care for their health.
There will always be people who resort to crime.
Only in a utopian dream will guns no longer exist. I deal in reality. We cannot fault inanimate objects for any malady, only the user.

Criminal control, gang control are needed. Any other control is fruitless and stupid.
GoGoBar

Thailand

#107048 May 8, 2013
I love that saying, dont shoot the messenger.
GoGoBar

Thailand

#107049 May 8, 2013
FormerParatrooper wrote:
<quoted text>
Only in a utopian dream will guns no longer exist. I deal in reality. We cannot fault inanimate objects for any malady, only the user.
Criminal control, gang control are needed. Any other control is fruitless and stupid.
Why dont you just admit that your Corporations have fixed the gun agenda and the guns are4 so out of control that the US is stuffed.
The US Citizen in 50 yearts will be living in the equivalent of Somalia.

We dont mind. Just btell us we are stupid for having less vioplence and
37 x less gun murders. and 500% less murders.

That is 3700% more gun murders.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#107050 May 8, 2013
If police and government can’t control Sydney gun crime, local communities must

15 May 2012, 2.54pm EST

The spiralling rise in shooting crimes in Sydney’s western suburbs requires strong and sustained political, community and police action to make suburbs safe for families.

I happen to live in a suburb that has been ringed by shooting incidents, and recent was just around the corner from my home. Like many of my neighbours, I can see that politicians are seeking, but are not really offering, new strategies or solutions to fight the gun crime that is plaguing Sydney.

It’s not just well organised bikie gangs to blame, but a range of criminals and business rivals, all with access to guns. They are escalating, rather than settling, all manner of disputes by targeted shootings.

http://theconversation.com/if-police-and-gove...

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#107051 May 8, 2013

Since: Aug 11

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#107052 May 8, 2013
O'Farrell fires up over Sydney's gun crime

Since: Aug 11

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#107053 May 8, 2013
NSW Police Minister responds to spike in gun crime and blames lack of Border Control.

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2013/s3675...

Since: Aug 11

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#107054 May 8, 2013
Did Lifting Gun Ban Lower Crime Rates in D.C. & Chicago?

spocko

Oakland, CA

#107055 May 8, 2013
Larry wrote:
What I have to say is that I hope that common sense prevails and gun control measures come about.
Some of the arguments of the pro gun peoples are amongst the most outrageous of things I've heard.
Things like guns are ok because people die in car accidents or down at the beach also. Like seriously, We know it can be risky taking a dip at the beach, or driving a motor car that's why we swim in safe places in good conditions and obey life guard directions etc. We know that motor cars can be dangerous, that's why there are road rules and speed limits, air bags and seat belts.
I think that buying ammunition should be closely monitored and that when applying for a gun license there should be a cooling off period, which serves to provide a buffer for instances where a gun may be required for something not all above board and lunatic in nature, unfortunately it does happen.
I really hope that the US does put in place some significant control measures. It would be great to see.
Them are fightin' words to the gunloons!
Gun violence dropped dramatically nationwide over the past two decades, but the fact remains, over three-quarters of all homicides are still committed with a firearm. And most importantly, statistics do not offer any reasons for the decrease in gun violence.
Criminologists at the FBI have said that explanations for the decline remain elusive and credit it to modern, highly effective police tactics as well as gang violence also declined at the same rate.
spocko

Oakland, CA

#107056 May 8, 2013
FormerParatrooper wrote:
<quoted text>
Only in a utopian dream will guns no longer exist. I deal in reality. We cannot fault inanimate objects for any malady, only the user.
Criminal control, gang control are needed. Any other control is fruitless and stupid.
Run-off-the-mill-stupid-talkin g-points ..
If gun-control is so useless, according to you friggen gunloons, why then is it that not a single crime is ever committed with a machine gun – ever since they were strictly regulated in 1934 and 1986 respectively? The ATF keeps track of machine-gun owners. Owners cannot be felons, must be a U.S. citizen or legally residing in the United States. They also have to provide to authorities the exact address of the gun storage and the owner and must be amenable to in-person visits by inspectors. A six-month waiting period is also a serious deterrent to criminals.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#107057 May 8, 2013
Fears of crime wave after gun haul found - Yahoo!7 News

http://au.news.yahoo.com/video/national/watch...
Teaman

Mount Holly, NJ

#107058 May 8, 2013
spocko wrote:
<quoted text>
Run-off-the-mill-stupid-talkin g-points ..
If gun-control is so useless, according to you friggen gunloons, why then is it that not a single crime is ever committed with a machine gun – ever since they were strictly regulated in 1934 and 1986 respectively? The ATF keeps track of machine-gun owners. Owners cannot be felons, must be a U.S. citizen or legally residing in the United States. They also have to provide to authorities the exact address of the gun storage and the owner and must be amenable to in-person visits by inspectors. A six-month waiting period is also a serious deterrent to criminals.
Except for the two who robbed the bank in North Hollywood. There's really not much of a market for machineguns on the personal level.
Teaman

Mount Holly, NJ

#107059 May 8, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
Fears of crime wave after gun haul found - Yahoo!7 News
http://au.news.yahoo.com/video/national/watch...
Nice weather girls down under.:-)

“Shall NOT be infringed!”

Since: Apr 13

San Jose, CA.

#107060 May 8, 2013
GoGoBar wrote:
<quoted text>
What facts? The same trend has occured in all advanced nations.
The old guns sold second hand with no checks are reaping mayhem.
The share of American households with guns has declined over the past four decades, a national survey shows, with some of the most surprising drops in the South and the Western mountain states, where guns are deeply embedded in the culture.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/10/us/rate-of-...
In Medical Triumph, Homicides Fall Despite Soaring Gun Violence
At the same time, medical data and other surveys in the U.S. show a rising number of serious injuries from assaults with guns and knives. The estimated number of people wounded seriously enough by gunshots to require a hospital stay, rather than treatment and release, rose 47% to 30,759 in 2011 from 20,844 in 2001, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's National Electronic Injury Surveillance System-All Injury Program. The CDC estimates showed the number of people injured in serious stabbings rose to 23,550 from 22,047 over the same period
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142412788...
The FBI background data PROVES that which you contend to be absolutely ABSOLUTELY WRONG. And the SEVENTY-FOUR PERCENT of the gun crimes are caused by GANG-BANGERS with STOLEN WEAPONS.
http://bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/GUIC.PDF&#... ;

Sheriff: Most violent crimes committed with stolen guns
http://www.midlandsconnect.com/news/story.asp...

Take a hike.

“Shall NOT be infringed!”

Since: Apr 13

San Jose, CA.

#107061 May 8, 2013
spocko wrote:
<quoted text>
Run-off-the-mill-stupid-talkin g-points ..
If gun-control is so useless, according to you friggen gunloons, why then is it that not a single crime is ever committed with a machine gun – ever since they were strictly regulated in 1934 and 1986 respectively? The ATF keeps track of machine-gun owners. Owners cannot be felons, must be a U.S. citizen or legally residing in the United States. They also have to provide to authorities the exact address of the gun storage and the owner and must be amenable to in-person visits by inspectors. A six-month waiting period is also a serious deterrent to criminals.
"The Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms shall NOT be infringed".

They were NOT "strictly regulated" in 1934, traitor. They were prohibitively TAXED, in order to make it difficult for the average citizen to own one. And then future sales to civilians were UNCONSTITUTIONALLY banned in 1986. Although with the right FFL License, they are still MANUFACTURED TODAY.

How about you get your FACTS straight before proving your ignorance by posting.

“Shall NOT be infringed!”

Since: Apr 13

San Jose, CA.

#107062 May 8, 2013
spocko wrote:
<quoted text>
Run-off-the-mill-stupid-talkin g-points ..
If gun-control is so useless, according to you friggen gunloons, why then is it that not a single crime is ever committed with a machine gun – ever since they were strictly regulated in 1934 and 1986 respectively? The ATF keeps track of machine-gun owners. Owners cannot be felons, must be a U.S. citizen or legally residing in the United States. They also have to provide to authorities the exact address of the gun storage and the owner and must be amenable to in-person visits by inspectors. A six-month waiting period is also a serious deterrent to criminals.
Then how come my friends, which have owned MACHINE GUNS, CANNON, and various other DESTRUCTIVE DEVICES. And some of them for well over TWENTY YEARS. Have NEVER ha a visit from the BATF? It's NOT about the "safety", it's about the MONEY, dunce.

“Shall NOT be infringed!”

Since: Apr 13

San Jose, CA.

#107063 May 8, 2013
spocko wrote:
<quoted text>
Run-off-the-mill-stupid-talkin g-points ..
If gun-control is so useless, according to you friggen gunloons, why then is it that not a single crime is ever committed with a machine gun – ever since they were strictly regulated in 1934 and 1986 respectively? The ATF keeps track of machine-gun owners. Owners cannot be felons, must be a U.S. citizen or legally residing in the United States. They also have to provide to authorities the exact address of the gun storage and the owner and must be amenable to in-person visits by inspectors. A six-month waiting period is also a serious deterrent to criminals.
Do you have ANY idea how expensive it is to shoot a machine gun? Or how long it takes to load a magazine? Or to clean it after firing, so that it will keep functioning correctly? Or how difficult it is to find parts for them anymore? Yeah, I didn't think so.

Criminals don't use machine guns, because they are a MAJOR PAIN to fire and maintain. And criminals are criminals because they are to LAZY to work.

Find another talking 'point', traitor.
spocko is a dork

UK

#107064 May 8, 2013
GunShow1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you have ANY idea how expensive it is to shoot a machine gun? Or how long it takes to load a magazine? Or to clean it after firing, so that it will keep functioning correctly? Or how difficult it is to find parts for them anymore? Yeah, I didn't think so.
Criminals don't use machine guns, because they are a MAJOR PAIN to fire and maintain. And criminals are criminals because they are to LAZY to work.
Find another talking 'point', traitor.
spocko is a dork.
spocko

Oakland, CA

#107065 May 8, 2013
GunShow1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you have ANY idea how expensive it is to shoot a machine gun? Or how long it takes to load a magazine? Or to clean it after firing, so that it will keep functioning correctly? Or how difficult it is to find parts for them anymore? Yeah, I didn't think so.
Criminals don't use machine guns, because they are a MAJOR PAIN to fire and maintain. And criminals are criminals because they are to LAZY to work.
Find another talking 'point', traitor.
And you know that because you are criminal? An M-16 machine gun is light weight, easily maintained and super easy to fire. You f-ing gunloon should know that!

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