It's the Guns, Stupid

Apr 20, 2007 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Truthdig

“And that's the end of the issue”

Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

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Knife-point robberies spike in NSW

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Man arrested after attacking female police officer with a knife at Shailer Park, Logan

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Police hunt for armed robber after two hold-ups

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Two in custody after Darwin shootings

A WOMAN suspected of using a handgun to open fire on two people in different locations in Darwin's rural fringe is in custody.

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Michael Daniel Henderson, who killed three teenagers in Goodna crash, in bid to appeal jail term

A DRIVER who "used his car as a weapon" and killed three teenagers in a sickening crash at Goodna will seek leave to appeal to the High Court to have an increased jail term overturned.

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You're deluded:
Released: May 7, 2013
Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware
Pace of Decline Slows in Past Decade
http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun...
And this, while firearm ownership has had a HUGE GROWTH
More than 100 million such checks have been made in the last decade
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics
MORE GUNS = LESS CRIME.
And there is NO WAY you LIE-berals can refute the FACTS.
What facts? The same trend has occured in all advanced nations.

The old guns sold second hand with no checks are reaping mayhem.

The share of American households with guns has declined over the past four decades, a national survey shows, with some of the most surprising drops in the South and the Western mountain states, where guns are deeply embedded in the culture.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/10/us/rate-of-...

In Medical Triumph, Homicides Fall Despite Soaring Gun Violence

At the same time, medical data and other surveys in the U.S. show a rising number of serious injuries from assaults with guns and knives. The estimated number of people wounded seriously enough by gunshots to require a hospital stay, rather than treatment and release, rose 47% to 30,759 in 2011 from 20,844 in 2001, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's National Electronic Injury Surveillance System-All Injury Program. The CDC estimates showed the number of people injured in serious stabbings rose to 23,550 from 22,047 over the same period

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One of NSW's 'worst crime weeks'- 10 shot
A MAN is shot in the face, four are gunned down on a Sydney street, and a young man on a date is kneecapped by night's end.
Within a few hours, the number of people shot in NSW jumped to 10 in just five days, making it one of the "worst crime weeks" a senior policeman can remember.
Acting Assistant Commissioner Arthur Katsogiannis said on Saturday one of the shootings had sparked fears of violent reprisals.
Four men, aged between 20 and 25, were sprayed with bullets outside a western Sydney property just after 8pm (AEST) on Friday.
About 15 bullet holes were found in a garage door at the Smithfield crime scene.
Mr Katsogiannis said the incident "relates to a conflict between groups which are known to police" and could lead to payback.
"Certainly, we're concerned about retaliations," he told reporters.
Police were investigating whether the incident was linked to another shooting nearby on April 22, Mr Katsogiannis said, but it's not believed to be bikie-related.
"It's certainly one of the worst crime weeks we've had on record, it's very, very unfortunate in that respect," he added.
"Maybe it's the full moon, I don't know."
The Smithfield shooting came hours after a man was shot in the face at a beachfront hotel on the central coast.
Police said the 28-year-old man was shot at a hotel on The Esplanade at Ettalong Beach - described on a NSW tourism website as a "safe family favourite" - on Friday afternoon.
Detectives spoke with the injured man at Sydney's Royal North Shore Hospital, where he underwent surgery on Saturday, but said he was not cooperating with the investigation.
On the other side of the city, a 21-year-old was undergoing surgery on Saturday after he was shot in the knee while walking with his girlfriend in Burwood on Friday evening.
He told police he'd been shot after objecting to remarks made to his 19-year-old girlfriend by a group of men.
The violence has prompted criticism from NSW Opposition Leader John Robertson, who told reporters the government needed to act faster on anti-gang laws.
"NSW has no impediment other than the premier from outlawing gangs," Mr Robertson said on Saturday.
But a spokesman for Police Minister Mike Gallacher denied that.
"We've been doing great things on gun crime.(Labor) have done 16 years of nothing," he told AAP.
He said police in NSW enjoyed increased powers to move people on, tightened laws to tackle alcohol-based violence, and anti-consorting and anti-gang laws.
"Obviously a lot of work is going into putting together briefs of evidence. Cops are working around the clock on these laws," he said.
Amid the spate of shootings this week, police say they did catch a break on one case.
Detectives raiding a home in Sefton on Wednesday allegedly seized a Glock pistol used to shoot a female constable in the chest at Wetherill Park police station in 2006.
A man was charged over that crime but the weapon was never found.
The occupant of the Sefton home, a 27-year-old man arrested on Wednesday, will face court on various firearms offences, but police say he is not being charged in relation to the 2006 shooting.
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Awful lot of shooting for a utopian paradise with tight gun laws, innit? That's a busy week for a country the size of a state located on an island with gun bans, great to see it's working so well ahahahahahhahahahah
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Awful lot of shooting for a utopian paradise with tight gun laws, innit? That's a busy week for a country the size of a state located on an island with gun bans, great to see it's working so well ahahahahahhahahahah
Get real. None dead in a City of 8 million-In it's worst week!
LOL. That is the number of dead in a quiet week in any similar sized US city.

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Awful lot of shooting for a utopian paradise with tight gun laws, innit? That's a busy week for a country the size of a state located on an island with gun bans, great to see it's working so well ahahahahahhahahahah
I hear chicago averages about 55 shootings on a good weekend.
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Get real. None dead in a City of 8 million-In it's worst week!
LOL. That is the number of dead in a quiet week in any similar sized US city.
Yes but only because of medical advances right? Isn't that how you keep explaining the 60% lower gun death rate in America vs. 30 years ago?

Your gun ban didn't save anyone, advances in medical technology saved those people correct?

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Get real. None dead in a City of 8 million-In it's worst week!
LOL. That is the number of dead in a quiet week in any similar sized US city.
but you and the other say it don't happen.

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Get real. None dead in a City of 8 million-In it's worst week!
LOL. That is the number of dead in a quiet week in any similar sized US city.
4.6 million people is the more correct answer.
Even though guns are illigal here in aus, the following is relevant:
"Unlawfully held guns cannot be counted, but in Australia there are estimated to be 550,000 to 6 million"
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Yes but only because of medical advances right? Isn't that how you keep explaining the 60% lower gun death rate in America vs. 30 years ago?
Your gun ban didn't save anyone, advances in medical technology saved those people correct?
Nope. Good old fashioned gun control keeps our murder rate down.

USA Murder rate 4.8
US gun murders 3.7
4.8-3.7 = 1.1

Australia murder rate 1.1

Must be all the extra guns.
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The share of American households with guns has declined over the past four decades, a national survey shows, with some of the most surprising drops in the South and the Western mountain states, where guns are deeply embedded in the culture.
A survey that relies on self-reporting can't be wrong can it? Nobody would be afraid to report owning a gun in this day and age would they? Even though the number of guns is at an all-time high you would believe we're at our lowest numbers in 40 years? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHA

I always say "nope, no guns here" as well, guess what? I lie. Won't even get into demographics, as you obviously aren't smart enough to grasp that concept.

Funny story about polls. Until a few weeks ago, the South was considered the most obese part of the nation because of polls about weight. Come to find out it ranks 4th, not 1st, but the rest of the country wasn't quite so honest. The South wasn't the fattest after all, just more honest about their weight than the rest of the nation.

In other words, I CALL BULLSHIT.

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I hear chicago averages about 55 shootings on a good weekend.
got that right and Chicago has the Strictest gun laws in the Midwest too and no where else in the Midwest are we seeing this on this scale.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Illi...

In one day, 20 shot in Chicago - Officials blame the weather, we blame the officials

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I hear chicago averages about 55 shootings on a good weekend.
Maybee it is the guns
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4.6 million people is the more correct answer.
Even though guns are illigal here in aus, the following is relevant:
"Unlawfully held guns cannot be counted, but in Australia there are estimated to be 550,000 to 6 million"
That is one hell of an estimate isn't it? Imagine if the mechanic gave you an estimate like this? "Oh sure, I can fix it. Cost you between 500k and 6 MIL though, not sure which"
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4.6 million people is the more correct answer.
Even though guns are illigal here in aus, the following is relevant:
"Unlawfully held guns cannot be counted, but in Australia there are estimated to be 550,000 to 6 million"
Then how come we only average 20 gun murders per year?

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4.6 million people is the more correct answer.
Even though guns are illigal here in aus, the following is relevant:
"Unlawfully held guns cannot be counted, but in Australia there are estimated to be 550,000 to 6 million"
I believe that there is that many unlawfully held guns in Australia and some are probably held by law abiding citizens too that didn't want to give them up and are now considered criminals because of Australian Law.
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Maybee it is the guns
Couldn't possibly be the guns - Chicago bans them! That solves that little problem doesn't it?

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