It's the Guns, Stupid

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“And that's the end of the issue”

Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

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Since: May 13

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#106980 May 7, 2013
guest wrote:
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Awful lot of shooting for a utopian paradise with tight gun laws, innit? That's a busy week for a country the size of a state located on an island with gun bans, great to see it's working so well ahahahahahhahahahah
I hear chicago averages about 55 shootings on a good weekend.
guest

Chicago, IL

#106981 May 7, 2013
GoGoBar wrote:
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Get real. None dead in a City of 8 million-In it's worst week!
LOL. That is the number of dead in a quiet week in any similar sized US city.
Yes but only because of medical advances right? Isn't that how you keep explaining the 60% lower gun death rate in America vs. 30 years ago?

Your gun ban didn't save anyone, advances in medical technology saved those people correct?

Since: Aug 11

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#106982 May 7, 2013
GoGoBar wrote:
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Get real. None dead in a City of 8 million-In it's worst week!
LOL. That is the number of dead in a quiet week in any similar sized US city.
but you and the other say it don't happen.

Since: May 13

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#106983 May 7, 2013
GoGoBar wrote:
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Get real. None dead in a City of 8 million-In it's worst week!
LOL. That is the number of dead in a quiet week in any similar sized US city.
4.6 million people is the more correct answer.
Even though guns are illigal here in aus, the following is relevant:
"Unlawfully held guns cannot be counted, but in Australia there are estimated to be 550,000 to 6 million"
GoGoBar

Thailand

#106984 May 7, 2013
guest wrote:
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Yes but only because of medical advances right? Isn't that how you keep explaining the 60% lower gun death rate in America vs. 30 years ago?
Your gun ban didn't save anyone, advances in medical technology saved those people correct?
Nope. Good old fashioned gun control keeps our murder rate down.

USA Murder rate 4.8
US gun murders 3.7
4.8-3.7 = 1.1

Australia murder rate 1.1

Must be all the extra guns.
guest

Chicago, IL

#106985 May 7, 2013
GoGoBar wrote:
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The share of American households with guns has declined over the past four decades, a national survey shows, with some of the most surprising drops in the South and the Western mountain states, where guns are deeply embedded in the culture.
A survey that relies on self-reporting can't be wrong can it? Nobody would be afraid to report owning a gun in this day and age would they? Even though the number of guns is at an all-time high you would believe we're at our lowest numbers in 40 years? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHA

I always say "nope, no guns here" as well, guess what? I lie. Won't even get into demographics, as you obviously aren't smart enough to grasp that concept.

Funny story about polls. Until a few weeks ago, the South was considered the most obese part of the nation because of polls about weight. Come to find out it ranks 4th, not 1st, but the rest of the country wasn't quite so honest. The South wasn't the fattest after all, just more honest about their weight than the rest of the nation.

In other words, I CALL BULLSHIT.

Since: Aug 11

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#106986 May 7, 2013
Agent_Smith wrote:
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I hear chicago averages about 55 shootings on a good weekend.
got that right and Chicago has the Strictest gun laws in the Midwest too and no where else in the Midwest are we seeing this on this scale.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Illi...

In one day, 20 shot in Chicago - Officials blame the weather, we blame the officials

http://www.irishcentral.com/story/news/from-t...
GoGoBar

Thailand

#106987 May 7, 2013
Agent_Smith wrote:
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I hear chicago averages about 55 shootings on a good weekend.
Maybee it is the guns
guest

Chicago, IL

#106988 May 7, 2013
Agent_Smith wrote:
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4.6 million people is the more correct answer.
Even though guns are illigal here in aus, the following is relevant:
"Unlawfully held guns cannot be counted, but in Australia there are estimated to be 550,000 to 6 million"
That is one hell of an estimate isn't it? Imagine if the mechanic gave you an estimate like this? "Oh sure, I can fix it. Cost you between 500k and 6 MIL though, not sure which"
GoGoBar

Thailand

#106989 May 7, 2013
Agent_Smith wrote:
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4.6 million people is the more correct answer.
Even though guns are illigal here in aus, the following is relevant:
"Unlawfully held guns cannot be counted, but in Australia there are estimated to be 550,000 to 6 million"
Then how come we only average 20 gun murders per year?

Since: Aug 11

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#106990 May 7, 2013
Agent_Smith wrote:
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4.6 million people is the more correct answer.
Even though guns are illigal here in aus, the following is relevant:
"Unlawfully held guns cannot be counted, but in Australia there are estimated to be 550,000 to 6 million"
I believe that there is that many unlawfully held guns in Australia and some are probably held by law abiding citizens too that didn't want to give them up and are now considered criminals because of Australian Law.
guest

Chicago, IL

#106991 May 7, 2013
GoGoBar wrote:
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Maybee it is the guns
Couldn't possibly be the guns - Chicago bans them! That solves that little problem doesn't it?
GoGoBar

Thailand

#106992 May 7, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>I believe that there is that many unlawfully held guns in Australia and some are probably held by law abiding citizens too that didn't want to give them up and are now considered criminals because of Australian Law.
Must be working because Australia has 500% less murders than the USA.

4.8 USA
1.1 Aust
GoGoBar

Thailand

#106993 May 7, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>got that right and Chicago has the Strictest gun laws in the Midwest too and no where else in the Midwest are we seeing this on this scale.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Illi...
In one day, 20 shot in Chicago - Officials blame the weather, we blame the officials
http://www.irishcentral.com/story/news/from-t...
Better get some effective laws then.
GoGoBar

Thailand

#106994 May 7, 2013
guest wrote:
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Couldn't possibly be the guns - Chicago bans them! That solves that little problem doesn't it?
Didnt the NRA fund an appeal against that ban?
They won too.

Chigago didnt.
guest

Chicago, IL

#106995 May 7, 2013
GoGoBar wrote:
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Nope. Good old fashioned gun control keeps our murder rate down.
USA Murder rate 4.8
US gun murders 3.7
4.8-3.7 = 1.1
Australia murder rate 1.1
Must be all the extra guns.
Funny how you always forget to mention your homicide rate just as low before the gun bans...don't hear that little bit o' truth very often. Same thing for the UK where cops like the bobbies haven't carried a firearm in 200 years and you still act like its because of a recent gun ban?

Idiot
GoGoBar

Thailand

#106996 May 7, 2013
guest wrote:
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That is one hell of an estimate isn't it? Imagine if the mechanic gave you an estimate like this? "Oh sure, I can fix it. Cost you between 500k and 6 MIL though, not sure which"
It is like the claim that defensive gun use is between 800,000 and 2.5 million per year in the USA.

But that particular researcher did come up with some interesting policy conclusions Wanna hear what Gary Kleck recommends?

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#106997 May 7, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
Michael Daniel Henderson, who killed three teenagers in Goodna crash, in bid to appeal jail term
A DRIVER who "used his car as a weapon" and killed three teenagers in a sickening crash at Goodna will seek leave to appeal to the High Court to have an increased jail term overturned.
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/michael-danie...
And after all that...how many deaths by gun?...hahahahahahahaha you idiot. Now your turn....list your crime rate...if your intent is fairness more laughter ensuing, you are hilarious.
guest

Chicago, IL

#106998 May 7, 2013
GoGoBar wrote:
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Then how come we only average 20 gun murders per year?
So then its because of your bans? So before the bans you had thousands of gun murders per year and the ban cut that down to some tiny number? And by simply banning guns the US would also have only 20 gun murders a year?

Because it sounds like that's what you're trying to say. But the numbers prove your gun ban was a knee-jerk reaction to a single shooting and that you've always had very low homicide rates.

To be honest (if you can) it was never about your homicide rate, and if you'll be 100% honest there were some years AFTER the ban when your gun death rate actuallu peaked a bit. Can you be that honest here, I somehow doubt it!
GoGoBar

Thailand

#106999 May 7, 2013
guest wrote:
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Funny how you always forget to mention your homicide rate just as low before the gun bans...don't hear that little bit o' truth very often. Same thing for the UK where cops like the bobbies haven't carried a firearm in 200 years and you still act like its because of a recent gun ban?
Idiot
You are being childish.
The point of the gun control was in direct response to mass shootings.
Seems to have slowed them down in Australia

It is plainly obvious that the USA murder rate is because it has the highest gun ownership in the world and always has had more guns.

4.8 murder rate - 3.7 gun murder rate = 1.1 murder rate.

Australia murder rate 1.1.

ie it has always been the guns

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