It's the Guns, Stupid

It's the Guns, Stupid

There are 103311 comments on the Truthdig story from Apr 20, 2007, titled It's the Guns, Stupid. In it, Truthdig reports that:

“And that's the end of the issue”

Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

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GoGoBar

Thailand

#107026 May 8, 2013
Agent_Smith wrote:
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firea rms/region/australia
click on heading 'death and injury', then subheading 'total gun deaths'. Will give you that source.
That includes suicides and accidents.

Damn there has been a marked drop off after the gun ban.
guest

Portage, MI

#107027 May 8, 2013
GoGoBar wrote:
<quoted text>
Our murder rate has always been low because we were never Staurated with firearms.
Then explain Canada. Lots of guns, very low murder rate 1.6...where does Canada fit in? They have guns like the USA but a murder rate closer to OZ and the UK.
GoGoBar

Thailand

#107028 May 8, 2013
guest wrote:
<quoted text>
Then explain Canada. Lots of guns, very low murder rate 1.6...where does Canada fit in? They have guns like the USA but a murder rate closer to OZ and the UK.
Canada has strict gun control compared to the USA.
They have mainly long guns as apposed to handguns. However hanguns still account for 2/3 of firearm deaths.
But firearms only account for 1/3 of all murders.

Now in Australia in 2010 there were 20 gun murders. But only 2 handgun murders.
Now in the US handguns are the major cause of all murders. 2/3

So the Canada gun murder rate is 0.5/100k(1.8 Total)
Australia gun murder rate is 0.1/100K ( Total)1.1
Usa gun murder rate is 3.7/100K (4.8 Total)

Gun ownership as % of total population

Canada 23% of pop
Australia 15% of pop
USA 190%
Christina Sims

Middlefield, CT

#107029 May 8, 2013
A the vast majority of gun owners are responsible
citizens..numbers in the high 95 plus percentile..
These people are not a threat to society because they
own a hand gun, shot gun or other type of gun.They
should not be denied the right to gun ownership just
because a very small number of individuals who own
a gun or have illegally obtained a gun, have used it
to murder others..Such individuals will always exist.
Citizens should protect themselves and their famlies
against an individual who aims to commit murder in
their household..NO protection is what the murderer
wants..Self protection is what is best for the innocent decent people in any society..
guest

United States

#107030 May 8, 2013
So in the 5 years before Australia's gun bans, taking away suicides and accidents...the actual homicide by gun per 100k went something like this:

1995: 0.37
1994: 0.43
1993: 0.36
1992: 0.55
1991: 0.49

So its pretty obvious that the gun ban is not the real reason for Australia's low homicide rate after all...not only was it already low but was also seemed to be declining as well on its own.
guest

United States

#107031 May 8, 2013
GoGoBar wrote:
<quoted text>
Canada has strict gun control compared to the USA.
They have mainly long guns as apposed to handguns. However hanguns still account for 2/3 of firearm deaths.
But firearms only account for 1/3 of all murders.
Now in Australia in 2010 there were 20 gun murders. But only 2 handgun murders.
Now in the US handguns are the major cause of all murders. 2/3
So the Canada gun murder rate is 0.5/100k(1.8 Total)
Australia gun murder rate is 0.1/100K ( Total)1.1
Usa gun murder rate is 3.7/100K (4.8 Total)
Gun ownership as % of total population
Canada 23% of pop
Australia 15% of pop
USA 190%
Actually canada has a bit over 30 guns per 100 people, US has about 80-85 per 100. Not sure why you have the US at 190% there, please explain how you came to 190%

We seem to be avoiding the UK as well and I'm pretty sure they have a higher homicide rate than Canada.
guest

United States

#107032 May 8, 2013
GoGoBar wrote:
<quoted text>
Canada has strict gun control compared to the US
They're allowed to own semi-autos and assault rifles.
GoGoBar

Thailand

#107033 May 8, 2013
guest wrote:
So in the 5 years before Australia's gun bans, taking away suicides and accidents...the actual homicide by gun per 100k went something like this:
1995: 0.37
1994: 0.43
1993: 0.36
1992: 0.55
1991: 0.49
So its pretty obvious that the gun ban is not the real reason for Australia's low homicide rate after all...not only was it already low but was also seemed to be declining as well on its own.
And if you look at the rest of the series you will see that gun homicides have declined from

1997 0.0.43 (gun laws)
2010 0.13

A decrease of 300% in gun homicides.
GoGoBar

Thailand

#107034 May 8, 2013
guest wrote:
<quoted text>
They're allowed to own semi-autos and assault rifles.
Strict liscensing conditions.

Just shows how effective a little gun registration works.
GoGoBar

Thailand

#107035 May 8, 2013
guest wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually canada has a bit over 30 guns per 100 people, US has about 80-85 per 100. Not sure why you have the US at 190% there, please explain how you came to 190%
We seem to be avoiding the UK as well and I'm pretty sure they have a higher homicide rate than Canada.
UK is 1.2/100K

I think they have less gun homicides than Australia.
But they have less guns.

God if those soccer hooligans had guns they would have to ban their National sport.
GoGoBar

Thailand

#107036 May 8, 2013
Now am going for a haircut and have my toenails cut and filed.
Would that be a pedifile?
Then I go bar.

The total murder rate here is the same as the USA but because they cant control the guns the gun homicide rate is 10 x that of the United States.
Tray

Etta, MS

#107037 May 8, 2013
spocko wrote:
<quoted text>
And ...what's your point? Why don't you tell us something we don't know
Gun control only effects the ones who already obey the law. Criminals ignore laws. Banning full auto tommy guns didn't stop gang killings, removing prohibition did. Prohibition or attempting to curb peoples freedoms started the killings in the first place. The government infringes on the people then when it backfires they blame everything except their actions. Making schools self defense free zones kills children but no one wants to admit it was a screw up. Of course you already know this just refuse to admit it.

Since: Dec 10

Glandore, Australia

#107038 May 8, 2013
Agent_Smith wrote:
<quoted text>
lol, no im not using that in my resume, that would be pretty lame.
Then that should suit you just fine because you and that other troll are lame.
Tray

Etta, MS

#107039 May 8, 2013
GoGoBar wrote:
<quoted text>
Strict liscensing conditions.
Just shows how effective a little gun registration works.
Yet they admit less than %10 of guns are registered. So much for that little claim. Your numbers are based on the registered numbers not the actual numbers.

Since: Dec 10

Glandore, Australia

#107040 May 8, 2013
Christina Sims wrote:
A the vast majority of gun owners are responsible
citizens..numbers in the high 95 plus percentile..
These people are not a threat to society because they
own a hand gun, shot gun or other type of gun.They
should not be denied the right to gun ownership just
because a very small number of individuals who own
a gun or have illegally obtained a gun, have used it
to murder others..Such individuals will always exist.
Citizens should protect themselves and their famlies
against an individual who aims to commit murder in
their household..NO protection is what the murderer
wants..Self protection is what is best for the innocent decent people in any society..
You know that might be true...the problem is when one of them goes postal and takes out 26 kids or a group of cinema goers...or spot shoots them from a bell tower and so on...that could be your neighbour, hairdresser, friend, father, brother and the like...and the problem is those law abiders have plenty of guns and ammo at the ready, thanks to the so called 95% with guns...who will be next you, your kids etc.

“Evolved hunter/gatherer”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#107042 May 8, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
we regard anything that isn't manually fired as an automatic, be it semi or fully etc.
.
Interesting.
ALL hand held guns are "manually fired".
Now we see your problem. You actually do think that an inanimate object is capable of self action. You are incorrect.

“Evolved hunter/gatherer”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#107043 May 8, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
You dumb arse repetitive yankee drooling machine....you are not being asked to give up your guns....just the ones that serve no purpose save to make taking lives en mass as easy as falling off a log.....FFS!
I have already given up the guns that had no purpose and kept the ones that do. I have done the same thing with my vehicles too.

“Evolved hunter/gatherer”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#107044 May 8, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
No dummy you didn't answer the questions...it wasn't what law gives you the right to own guns....the question was WHAT will Alaska loose under gun control? no wriggling you snake in the grass...
"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

“Evolved hunter/gatherer”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#107045 May 8, 2013
Agent_Smith wrote:
post 100,000! yay
Actually your post was number 107,016.

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#107046 May 8, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>Far be it for you yanks to extrapolate but there are clear difference between Yank speak and Aussie speak...we regard anything that isn't manually fired as an automatic, be it semi or fully etc.
Here's a little clue for the clueless. Whether a firearm is single action, double action, semi-auto or full-auto, thay are all manually fired. You need to learn what you are talking about before you make yourself out to be an even bigger moron than you already are (if that is at all possible).
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>Like your politics, you call Democrats socialists (people with a conscience) We call our Labor party (democrats)or the socialist party....now I have figured this out because I am an Australian and we are born with the smarts to extrapolate, rationalise and listen...it is so unfortunate for you that a yank who is not born with the smarts can't even be educated as they are not given enough intelligence to open a can of spam.
Coming from a bigotted misandrist such as yourself, your opinion is a specious as it is irrelevant. GFY.

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