It's the Guns, Stupid

It's the Guns, Stupid

There are 103340 comments on the Truthdig story from Apr 20, 2007, titled It's the Guns, Stupid. In it, Truthdig reports that:

“And that's the end of the issue”

Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

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spocko

Oakland, CA

#106350 May 2, 2013
Teaman wrote:
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I never agreed that guns were the burden. A societal breakdown is the problem. The left seems to be behind every breakdown there is. Now, they want to remove a symptom of a disease they created.
I don't think Europe has the same ethnic breakdown as the US.
Radical progressives gave us the constitution; hysterical right wingers gave us Hiroshima!
Teaman

Mount Holly, NJ

#106351 May 2, 2013
spocko wrote:
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Radical progressives gave us the constitution; hysterical right wingers gave us Hiroshima!
Our founders were radical alright. They were against big oppressive, forceful, imposing governments of the day. Progressives are not. They expand the scope and power of government.

FDR was a hysterical right winger? LOL What history book are you reading?

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#106352 May 2, 2013
Teaman wrote:
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How does Australia address the use of psychotic drugs? I believe they are over prescribed here. Just about all of these mass shootings were perpetrated by someone on a psychotic drug or under a psychiatrist's care.
Like always we tend to follow the example of the Americans....the drugs for children supposedly diagnosed with ADHD or ADD were being massively over prescribed and wrongly diagnosed in a lot of cases...I put this down to ignorant heath professionals and the pharmaceutical companies..same goes with antibiotics Phschychotic drugs...especially since a medical report, which came out a few months back stated that most made no difference to the mental health of certain illnesses that they're prescribe for....So yes, we are turning into a nation of quick fix legally prescribed druggies....happiness now comes in a pill and doctors, the tax department and the drug companies are the winners.

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#106353 May 2, 2013
Teaman wrote:
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Our founders were radical alright. They were against big oppressive, forceful, imposing governments of the day. Progressives are not. They expand the scope and power of government.
FDR was a hysterical right winger? LOL What history book are you reading?
What would you call the NRA then Teaman?

“Shall NOT be infringed!”

Since: Apr 13

San Jose, CA.

#106354 May 2, 2013
Teaman wrote:
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Our founders were radical alright. They were against big oppressive, forceful, imposing governments of the day. Progressives are not. They expand the scope and power of government.
FDR was a hysterical right winger? LOL What history book are you reading?
He and his ilk read the LIE-beral version.

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#106355 May 2, 2013
Teaman wrote:
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We have gun control also, more or less, depending on which state you're in. A legal problem concerning a doctor patient privilege arises when such a data base is suggested. Some states have laws preventing such information concerning mental health from entering any government data base.
I suppose that will change after time when more and more people are willing to surrender their rights to privacy and government searches without warrant in turn for a government socialized healthcare system.
You cannot call what you have gun control Teaman...in order for it to be affective all states, territories etc must get on board...it is good that some have started but they are fighting an uphill battle in a country where most states are still lax and free with their gun laws....:)

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#106356 May 2, 2013
Teaman wrote:
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Most of the rest of the world don't have the same social freedoms either. One faces legal prosecution in Germany for home schooling for one example.
The healthcare system is burdened by gang shootings. These are people who can't legally own a gun. Laws don't seem to prevent these gang members from obtaining a gun. Gangs that distribute drugs will always have guns because the guns will always be smuggled along with the drugs.
So it is not the guns or the crims...so go to the source...there is a source these guns don't come out of nowhere they come from gun manufacturers follow their supplies to the customer....it isn't rocket science...And if some moron says they are stolen...It is impossible that the majority aren't bartered legally...if there were such a huge racket for gun stealing it would be easy to spot it....so it is leaving the floor legally...and then what?

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#106358 May 2, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>so now your discrediting you own posted facts.
Just giving you a taste of your own medicine...anyone can pull statistics out to back up an argument, the difference is I know they don't, idiots like you keep using them and the only thing you understand is if someone one ups your argument with statistics...and it is all bunkum...If it wasn't the NRA wouldn't catch so many of you losers with them...

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#106359 May 2, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>you don't like the facts that are true and want to keep denying them besides just look at the suicide rate in Australia compared to the US and you Australians kept posting that after the guns were banned it went down but it is still higher than the US who allows their citizen to possess guns so it proves guns were not the problem for Australia's suicide rate or extremely higher then.
http://www.nationmaster.com/compare/Australia...
Our suicide rate has been in decline since gun control...It is lower than the US and the reason again you can't provide statistics to prove or disprove this is because a person intent on committing suicide might do it by making it look like an accident or go in and shoot up a school and get killed by law enforcement...can you see why you can't get an accurate account with statistics...they can only prove the ones that look like suicide and some of them have proved to be murder you noong...here suck on these statistics seeing you are so hell bent on using them dummy..looks like you rate of suicide is higher than Australia's here...go figure...sheesh.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countrie...
America at 19.5 Australia are at 14.9 that means you are wrong again....if you believe such shite.
And in all of our statistics suicide has steadily declined since gun control....you tit..
GoGoBar

Thailand

#106360 May 2, 2013
Teaman wrote:
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Our founders were radical alright. They were against big oppressive, forceful, imposing governments of the day. Progressives are not. They expand the scope and power of government.
FDR was a hysterical right winger? LOL What history book are you reading?
FDR died well before the decision to nuke Japan.
Most historians agree that he would not have given the order.

I dont see any radical gun bearing founders sons fighting the new "Monarchy" in Washington. Just a call for the Federal Govt. to supply more armed guards to stop gunnuts massacreing people.
EuroBoy

Sweden

#106361 May 2, 2013
GoGoBar wrote:
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FDR died well before the decision to nuke Japan.
Most historians agree that he would not have given the order.
I dont see any radical gun bearing founders sons fighting the new "Monarchy" in Washington. Just a call for the Federal Govt. to supply more armed guards to stop gunnuts massacreing people.
So sayeth GoGoBar the pedophile
Larry

Australia

#106362 May 2, 2013
FormerParatrooper wrote:
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There is a difference between smoking and committing a crime. While both are choices, only one is unlawful.
Reduce the amount of criminals, reduce crime.
If it were the fault of the gun, there would be more crime. Yet 99% of all gun owners do not commit crime. It is the person
People take up smoking every day

People take up crime every day

The cigarette causes lung cancer

The bullet causes a shooting death.
Larry

Australia

#106363 May 2, 2013
Without the cigarette there is no lung cancer.

Without the gun there is no shooting deaths.

There will always be people who dont care for their health.

There will always be people who resort to crime.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#106364 May 2, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
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Just giving you a taste of your own medicine...anyone can pull statistics out to back up an argument, the difference is I know they don't, idiots like you keep using them and the only thing you understand is if someone one ups your argument with statistics...and it is all bunkum...If it wasn't the NRA wouldn't catch so many of you losers with them...
you are not giving me any medicines its idiots like you know those statistics are are true and Chicago Illinois is proof and you would deny those statistics about Chicago Illinois too.
Larry

Australia

#106365 May 2, 2013
EuroBoy wrote:
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So sayeth GoGoBar the pedophile
you are a sackless fool at times mate, if I m in sydney am I all of a sudden a bikie selling speed?

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#106367 May 2, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
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Our suicide rate has been in decline since gun control...It is lower than the US and the reason again you can't provide statistics to prove or disprove this is because a person intent on committing suicide might do it by making it look like an accident or go in and shoot up a school and get killed by law enforcement...can you see why you can't get an accurate account with statistics...they can only prove the ones that look like suicide and some of them have proved to be murder you noong...here suck on these statistics seeing you are so hell bent on using them dummy..looks like you rate of suicide is higher than Australia's here...go figure...sheesh.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countrie...
America at 19.5 Australia are at 14.9 that means you are wrong again....if you believe such shite.
And in all of our statistics suicide has steadily declined since gun control....you tit..
you are full of BS because those suicide rates have went up in Australia and here comparing the United States V Australia side by side.

http://www.nationmaster.com/compare/Australia...

Suicide rates in ages 15-24 (most recent) by country

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_sui_rat...

Suicide rates in ages 25-34 (most recent) by country

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_sui_rat...

Since: Jan 11

Mount Holly, NJ

#106368 May 2, 2013
GoGoBar wrote:
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FDR died well before the decision to nuke Japan.
Most historians agree that he would not have given the order.
I dont see any radical gun bearing founders sons fighting the new "Monarchy" in Washington. Just a call for the Federal Govt. to supply more armed guards to stop gunnuts massacreing people.
FDR approved the development of the bomb. Another progressive used it. FDR's New Deal simply became Truman's fair Deal.

The sons of the founders fighting the new monarchy in Washington would be us.:-) Legally that is. It's difficult to overcome a partisan press though. Actually enforcing the laws we have now would be nice. State laws, that is.

Since: Jan 11

Mount Holly, NJ

#106370 May 2, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
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What would you call the NRA then Teaman?
I wouldn't call them hysterical.:-)
Larry

Australia

#106371 May 2, 2013
Not every person that smokes dies of lung cancer.

not every person that owns a gun commits suicide or shoots someone.

But we know that cigarettes cause cancer and we know that guns kill people.

Someone has to light up a cigarette, someone has to pull the trigger of the gun, both choices, but if we know some thing is highly undesirable like lung cancer and shooting deaths, do we just do nothing, or do we take action, cooperate and implement change?

Since: Jan 11

Mount Holly, NJ

#106372 May 2, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
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You cannot call what you have gun control Teaman...in order for it to be affective all states, territories etc must get on board...it is good that some have started but they are fighting an uphill battle in a country where most states are still lax and free with their gun laws....:)
That wouldn't really work here. NJ really doesn't have a need for guns, therefor most people don't own one by choice. Someone living in the wilderness of Alaska would have a real need for a gun. A one size fits all law wouldn't work. The states have the ability to adjust to their own needs.

Most guns used in crimes in Chicago were straw purchased within the boundaries of the same state. Yet, Illinois doesn't address it with tougher state regulations. Why should someone who is abiding by the law in another state be punished for it?

http://www.suntimes.com/news/crime/14715658-4...

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