It's the Guns, Stupid

It's the Guns, Stupid

There are 103326 comments on the Truthdig story from Apr 20, 2007, titled It's the Guns, Stupid. In it, Truthdig reports that:

“And that's the end of the issue”

Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

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rnauw

France

#106034 Apr 29, 2013
Larry wrote:
<quoted text> what a stupid comment. Stupidity.noted comment ignored.
Its no worse than any of your pathetic dipshit comments.
Tray

Saltillo, MS

#106035 Apr 30, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
Violence against women is a crime that is worldwide...walk out your back door...women have been raped, abused, murdered by men since the beginning of time they are the most neglected and mistreated group on the planet...and you are just now feeling the need to educate us on that...we know it we have lived it you men know nothing of what some of you are capable of toward women....and children...men are a sick perverted group...and a great deal of women would be safer and better off if men disappeared off the face of the earth.
http://www.vaw.umn.edu/documents/inbriefs/dom...
Thank you, my point exactly. The strong always dominate the weak. Women are also just as capable. Women kill their children in horrific ways like burning them , microwaving them, placing them in clothes dryers. A gun not needed in either case. Men WILL dominate women, always have (long before guns). Guns do however give the weaker a fighting chance against the stronger. As I have said over and over, it's not the preferred choice but in many cases it's the only choice. ALL humans are capable of horrific actions, it's the nature of the beast. I prefer to be armed when dealing with humans,you can't trust them and they may turn violent at any time and without cause or warning.

Since: Dec 10

Glandore, Australia

#106036 Apr 30, 2013
Look at that, twenty years this guy has lived in the US and now he is threatening bank staff with bombs....seems your violent attitude rubs off on even us Aussies....put him in jail...he is tainted and he has lived there long enough to be one of you...so you keep him now...we don't want him back.
I, am hostile towards him threatening innocents...lucky I am not a juror, eh!

http://www.theage.com.au/world/jurors-grilled...
Tray

Saltillo, MS

#106037 Apr 30, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
Now I did agree with most of what you said till you said it was not the guns....guns have made life easier for criminals for war for killing in general...try a drive by with a lolly pop.......guns are cheap and easy method of death...
They have also made it harder for criminals. Before just the strong ruled over the weak, at least guns in the hands of victims makes criminals life harder.
Tray

Saltillo, MS

#106038 Apr 30, 2013
Tray

Saltillo, MS

#106039 Apr 30, 2013
Fact: 60% of convicted felons admitted that they avoided committing crimes when they knew
the victim was armed. 40% of convicted felons admitted that they avoided committing crimes
when they thought the victim might be armed.

81% agreed the "smart criminal" will try to find out if a potential victim is armed.
74% felt that burglars avoided occupied dwellings for fear of being shot.
80% of "handgun predators" had encountered armed citizens.
40% did not commit a specific crime for fear that the victim was armed.
34% of "handgun predators" were scared off or shot at by armed victims.
57% felt that the typical criminal feared being shot by citizens more than he feared being shot by police.
christmas tree

France

#106040 Apr 30, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
Look at that, twenty years this guy has lived in the US and now he is threatening bank staff with bombs....seems your violent attitude rubs off on even us Aussies....put him in jail...he is tainted and he has lived there long enough to be one of you...so you keep him now...we don't want him back.
I, am hostile towards him threatening innocents...lucky I am not a juror, eh!
http://www.theage.com.au/world/jurors-grilled...
People in Australia pride themselves on being hard working and self supporting. YOU on the other hand are neither of these things, just a lazy unemployed fatso that has nothing better to do that post bullshit all day. Australians hate lazy parasites like you and any Australian would shudder at someone like you thinking they were some sort of online ambassador for Australia.
Ill bet if there was a poll, the Australian population would prefer the bank robber over a deadbeat welfare sponge like you.
Tray

Saltillo, MS

#106041 Apr 30, 2013
Take it from real criminals. They don't like armed victims. No maybe, if, could be, might be, or looks like. CRIMINALS DON'T LIKE ARMED VICTIMS.
Larry

Australia

#106042 Apr 30, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> They have also made it harder for criminals. Before just the strong ruled over the weak, at least guns in the hands of victims makes criminals life harder.
ah funny, it just becomes a shoot out then. Easy for criminals to get guns easy for everyone to get guns. Lets just pray and hope that everyone is nice and never fires their gun. Yes lets just pray for that.

Or make it really hard for everyone to get guns.

Since: Dec 10

Glandore, Australia

#106043 Apr 30, 2013
christmas tree wrote:
<quoted text>
People in Australia pride themselves on being hard working and self supporting. YOU on the other hand are neither of these things, just a lazy unemployed fatso that has nothing better to do that post bullshit all day. Australians hate lazy parasites like you and any Australian would shudder at someone like you thinking they were some sort of online ambassador for Australia.
Ill bet if there was a poll, the Australian population would prefer the bank robber over a deadbeat welfare sponge like you.
Jesus Christ....looks like you have run out of names troll...that is pathetic. ROTFLMFAO...you dumb arse.

Since: Dec 10

Glandore, Australia

#106044 Apr 30, 2013
Tray wrote:
Take it from real criminals. They don't like armed victims. No maybe, if, could be, might be, or looks like. CRIMINALS DON'T LIKE ARMED VICTIMS.
But none of you have answered the question...how do criminals get their guns if they can't get them legally....we are talking those real crims with record here...how and who gives them the weapons in which to shoot you and your house up? who is supplying these guns to them illegally and how are they getting them?
Christmas Tree

Anonymous Proxy

#106046 Apr 30, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
But none of you have answered the question...how do criminals get their guns if they can't get them legally....we are talking those real crims with record here...how and who gives them the weapons in which to shoot you and your house up? who is supplying these guns to them illegally and how are they getting them?
Dont know about USA, but in England and here they just smuggle them in shipping crates, regular mail, or stolen from military or other government agencies or simply make them. A simple pistol is not beyond being made in a backyard shed with a lathe and some tools.

Since: Oct 12

Ocilla, GA

#106047 Apr 30, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>Oh contrare'. If you know anything about the yanks, is that the only thing they can be relied on for is, if it is in their best interest they will be there by your side shoulder to shoulder, if not....they will not! Read the history and you will have a better idea, but a lot of bitter taste is to do with them friendlies on our shores fratenising...the Aussie boys and the Yanks used to get into it on a regular basis so much so that the yanks had to cancel leaves so the anger would not escalate...
because we were taking there women lol
Larry

Australia

#106048 Apr 30, 2013
There you go again wrote:
<quoted text>
because we were taking there women lol


Their.
Tray

Saltillo, MS

#106049 Apr 30, 2013
Larry wrote:
<quoted text> ah funny, it just becomes a shoot out then. Easy for criminals to get guns easy for everyone to get guns. Lets just pray and hope that everyone is nice and never fires their gun. Yes lets just pray for that.
Or make it really hard for everyone to get guns.
If you will go back to my links you will see gang members who have built their own guns. So much for banning them. It would be a great world, full of roses and sunshine but in reality it's not. In reality evil people exist, and believe it or not your life may depend on you being able to defend yourself or loved ones someday. The criminal is going to do everything in his power to make sure he has the upper hand. He is not going to offer you a fair fight. He intends of being successful at his crime even if it costs you your life. You may cherish life and want a long peaceful one but not everyone shares your dream. Some are happy being what they are, animals. Some enjoy domination, and beating down an unarmed victim. There are child killers, rapist, murderers living among you right now. They like what they do and take great enjoyment from it. They don't fear police or jail or laws enough to stop what they do. Like I told you before, go to your local prison and spend some time in a cell with these good people. You will have a whole new outlook on what lurks in your world. Remember while at that prison only a small % will ever be caught and go there and even then most will be released someday and maybe decide to live near you. Many probably already have. Sleep well. These men are harden criminals, they have been in the toughest environments (prisons) they have had to defend themselves against the worst society has to offer daily. An amateur like yourself with a stick or kitchen knife is not much of threat to them. You will hesitate, you will not want to harm them, you will give them warning, you will do all you can not to hurt anyone. They are opposite. No hesitation, no conscience, no warning, no fear of harming you (some enjoy it and look forward to it).
Tray

Saltillo, MS

#106051 Apr 30, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
But none of you have answered the question...how do criminals get their guns if they can't get them legally....we are talking those real crims with record here...how and who gives them the weapons in which to shoot you and your house up? who is supplying these guns to them illegally and how are they getting them?
You keep missing the point. Criminals are who they are. Guns don't make criminals, they pre exist guns and after guns. I keep telling you that you greatly under estimate the human mind. They change they adapt, they just create new weapons or tactics.

Since: Dec 10

Glandore, Australia

#106052 Apr 30, 2013
There you go again wrote:
<quoted text>
because we were taking there women lol
Actually that was one of the reasons...the others were that one of your soldier stabbed one of our guys and our guys were going to their base to give him a what for, but your superiors closed ranks... the Aussies were out for blood if they let them of the base....things eventually died down after discussion between your military leaders and ours...but the tussles continued back and forth the whole time the yanks were here.

Since: Dec 10

Glandore, Australia

#106053 Apr 30, 2013
Christmas Tree wrote:
<quoted text> Dont know about USA, but in England and here they just smuggle them in shipping crates, regular mail, or stolen from military or other government agencies or simply make them. A simple pistol is not beyond being made in a backyard shed with a lathe and some tools.
Get real...How do they get past customs? And crims make them my arse, they get sold to them from those out to make a quick buck, more like...You have too much tinsel goin on, on top of your tree troll.
The Raging Hardon

UK

#106054 Apr 30, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually that was one of the reasons...the others were that one of your soldier stabbed one of our guys and our guys were going to their base to give him a what for, but your superiors closed ranks... the Aussies were out for blood if they let them of the base....things eventually died down after discussion between your military leaders and ours...but the tussles continued back and forth the whole time the yanks were here.
But that's just you word. Where are your references?

Since: Dec 10

Glandore, Australia

#106055 Apr 30, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> You keep missing the point. Criminals are who they are. Guns don't make criminals, they pre exist guns and after guns. I keep telling you that you greatly under estimate the human mind. They change they adapt, they just create new weapons or tactics.
You haven't answered the question...if a crim cannot get a gun legally where the feck does he get it? you would think that if you know so much about guns and gun control you would be quick with an answer to one of the biggest problems you have in your country...but none of you gun owners seem to have an answer.....why is that, is it because your gun shows are selling them under the counter or your gun shops or the gun manufacturers...so many illegal weapons in the hands of crims and no way of knowing who's buying them and why?

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