It's the Guns, Stupid

It's the Guns, Stupid

There are 103321 comments on the Truthdig story from Apr 20, 2007, titled It's the Guns, Stupid. In it, Truthdig reports that:

“And that's the end of the issue”

Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

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Jail GoGoBar

Amsterdam, Netherlands

#105979 Apr 29, 2013
GoGoBar wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL Teabag. You leao right over the fact that it is the guns.
Texas 1125 murders
Australia 221 Murders.
Now who has the guns?LOL.
As for California. Well can you buy a Semi Auto there?
You might like check Californioa against Hawaii. Hawaii have strict gun laws but it is very difficult to drive over the border and buy a gun from a redneck gun dealer.
California 4.8/100K
Hawaii 1.4/100K
Australia 1.1/100K
Yep, it is the guns.
says the sick kiddy fiddling old queer, hiding in Thailand touching kids

Since: Dec 10

Glandore, Australia

#105980 Apr 29, 2013
Tray wrote:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-smeK jFMLCeo/TekpiAmzo3I/AAAAAAAAAi 8/PrpjKtPLAU8/s1600/eat-baby.j pg
Should ask the Iraqi's and the Afghans how they feel about the atrocities of bomb blasts on their kids...being a tad selective here Tray...

http://cursor.org/stories/casualty_count.htm

Since: Dec 10

Glandore, Australia

#105981 Apr 29, 2013
Troll hunter wrote:
<quoted text>Another idiot post from the fat idiot. A sexist Racist clueless fat troll, you must have flowers sent to you every day
Another dumb troll actually calling himself a troll!....you must be new.
hater of fat unemployed

Amsterdam, Netherlands

#105982 Apr 29, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
Another dumb troll actually calling himself a troll!....you must be new.
Why should anyone listen to you, a fat unemployed old woman.
You are a part of the population that NOBODY NEEDS.
GoGoBar

Thailand

#105983 Apr 29, 2013
Now if you look at the two US States that have opposit gun control and minimal amount of gun trafficking due to being seperated from the States with weak gun control it is instructive.

It is murder rate, gun murder rate followed by % of gun owners.

Alaska 4.4/100K 2.8by gun 57% gun owners

Hawaii 1.8/100K 0.5 by gun 6.7% gun owners.

If you subtract Alaskas gun murders from the total murders, guess what.

Alaska 4.4 - 2.8 = 1.6/100K

Hawaii 1.8 - 0.5 = 1.75/100K

Not as low as England at 1.2/100K but hell, you still have guns.

Since: Dec 10

Glandore, Australia

#105984 Apr 29, 2013
Larry wrote:
<quoted text> Loyal to the mother country.. If only Qantas went with a British airway, now you cant order a pork chop on your flight. The out rage. I m sure 95 % of the country agrees.
America is a very close international friend of Australias gun differences aside.
Oh contrare'. If you know anything about the yanks, is that the only thing they can be relied on for is, if it is in their best interest they will be there by your side shoulder to shoulder, if not....they will not! Read the history and you will have a better idea, but a lot of bitter taste is to do with them friendlies on our shores fratenising...the Aussie boys and the Yanks used to get into it on a regular basis so much so that the yanks had to cancel leaves so the anger would not escalate...

GunShow1

“Shall NOT be infringed!”

Since: Apr 13

San Jose, CA.

#105985 Apr 29, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
Violence breeds violence.
So does stupidity.
GoGoBar is a pedo

Lithuania

#105986 Apr 29, 2013
Last year, 2,888 people were charged with having sex with children under 15 in Thailand. Thailand has become the destination of choice for sex tourists looking to prey on children. But now the police are raising their game, determined to turn the tide.
Police Lt. Col. Apichart Hattasin leads a small but very determined unit of officers in Chiang Mai, all dedicated to tracking down pedophiles.
The workload is going up each month; officers here aren't sure whether that is because they are simply uncovering more cases, or whether more and more pedophiles are choosing to relocate to Thailand.
But Col. Apichart is on a mission to catch them and that's not easy. He opened his files to CNN, showing us dozens of surveillance videos, photos and cases histories of suspected pedophiles. While he and his men may be convinced someone may be sexually molesting children, proving it in court is another matter. Often a case pivots on the testimonies of the young victims and that means defendants are often tempted to buy off families.
"Money can change a lot, it can change even the mind of the victims." he said.
"The suspect might try to approach the victim or the family of the victims, to convince them or give bribery to make them change their statement. And if they change their statement, it could be different or totally different I would say. That is the most challenge."
And Col.Apichart is clear the law needs reform.
"There is no specific law about having child pornography in possession," he said. "Thailand should issue the new law about child pornography specifically."
Ronnasit Proeksayajiva is with a small NGO called the Counter Human Trafficking Unit. He works closely with Col. Apichart, often accompanying officers on raids. His assessment is frank -- and bleak.
GoGoBar is a pedo

Lithuania

#105987 Apr 29, 2013
"Honestly right now I don't think it is getting better, I think it is getting worse, because I don't know, maybe they believe that Thailand is the best place for them to come to have sex with the children."
Karl Kraus is alleged to have lured girls into his modest rundown bungalow in Doi Saket near Chiang Mai. Just a few houses away, I met the mother of the four girls Karl Kraus is accused of abusing. She denied his claim that she is trying to extort money from him. Instead she breaks down and weeps as she goes into harrowing detail about the ordeal her daughters endured. The youngest girl Kraus is accused of abusing is just seven years old.
Kraus' case has received media attention because of his age, but there are many thousands of other cases in Thailand, which largely go unreported. Like Swiss banker Cornel Wietlisbach, who pleaded guilty to abusing young boys in Chiang Mai -- he was facing a four year sentence, but this was halved because he cooperated with the police. In the end, he was granted parole immediately and was deported back to Switzerland after he'd paid a 4,000 baht fine (about $125).
Such cases do little to discourage pedophiles from coming to Thailand. Col. Apichart says online forums are abuzz with talk about Thailand being a child molesters' paradise.
"There is a group of the pedophiles online, it is a community, they talk with each other and they like to come to a third world country where the criminal justice system is not strong enough to deal with them."
Another case working its way through the penal system is that of Robert Cutler, a U.S. Fulbright Scholar teaching biology at a Chiang Mai University. The police accuse him of sexually abusing young boys, something Cutler denies. Col. Apichart had him under surveillance for weeks. The photos show Cutler talking to groups of young boys on the street and taking other boys swimming at a local pool. A video of a police search of his apartment revealed semi-clothed youths in his bedroom. All this will form part of the case against him, which is due to start later this month.
Col. Apichart has this message to pedophiles thinking of coming to Thailand: "I would welcome them to come here, I'm looking for them and if they think they can escape let's try. I will get them one way or another. I will make sure they get punished
Larry

Australia

#105988 Apr 29, 2013
GoGoBar wrote:
Now if you look at the two US States that have opposit gun control and minimal amount of gun trafficking due to being seperated from the States with weak gun control it is instructive.
It is murder rate, gun murder rate followed by % of gun owners.
Alaska 4.4/100K 2.8by gun 57% gun owners
Hawaii 1.8/100K 0.5 by gun 6.7% gun owners.
If you subtract Alaskas gun murders from the total murders, guess what.
Alaska 4.4 - 2.8 = 1.6/100K
Hawaii 1.8 - 0.5 = 1.75/100K
Not as low as England at 1.2/100K but hell, you still have guns.
hear, hear. It paints the common sense trend we already know.
GoGoBar

Thailand

#105991 Apr 29, 2013
LOLL the Troll.
Now he is doubling down on his inferiority with research.
Carry on loser.HAHAHAGHA
Larry

Australia

#105997 Apr 29, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> Can you back that claim with documented research, or is that just your opinion? Once again I can document the wearing of shoes involved in criminal actions but that does not prove shoes played any role in the criminal action. Realistically there are countries with much much higher murders than the U.S. but much less gun ownership. In fact our crime rate has been dropping for 10 years even though gun numbers increase. That in it's self blows your entire argument away. As far as mass shootings compared to other murder rates in they are extremely minimal. As shown to you before more are killed by bare hands than the dreaded "assault weapon". I know you want to believe what you've been told but most of it is just twisting of facts. or in layman terms, LIES.

Since when has a shoe had the potential to kill?
GoGoBar is a pedo

Anonymous Proxy

#105998 Apr 29, 2013
The Thai government needs to do something about its pedos. All the worlds pedos flock there, its a great time to round them all up and execute the dirty old bastards.

Death penalty straight up for pedos, no place in the world for them.
Larry

Australia

#105999 Apr 29, 2013
What next men who havent been circumcised?
People with one head?

A bullet is always what kills the person, not a pair of shoes.

Cigarettes kill people, its not the packet they come in, or the box of matches.
GoGoBar is a pedo

Anonymous Proxy

#106000 Apr 29, 2013
I would love to see dirty old pervert kiddy fiddlers like GoGoBar hanged in the street.
GoGoBar

Thailand

#106002 Apr 29, 2013
Larry wrote:
<quoted text>
Since when has a shoe had the potential to kill?
Remember the bloke that tried to assasinate George Bush by throwing his shope at him at the press conference?
Wily old George saw it coming.
It is a good thing the chap didnt have a gun or George may not have been so happy.
Larry

Australia

#106004 Apr 29, 2013
In ten or twenty years time America will realise that they need to change. They will end up having to change, their stats of violence are not going to improve dramatically without making change.
Larry

Australia

#106005 Apr 29, 2013
GoGoBar wrote:
<quoted text>
Remember the bloke that tried to assasinate George Bush by throwing his shope at him at the press conference?
Wily old George saw it coming.
It is a good thing the chap didnt have a gun or George may not have been so happy.
LOL I ve underestimated the shoes potential! Yes better a shoe than a bullet.
GoGoBar

Thailand

#106008 Apr 29, 2013
Larry wrote:
In ten or twenty years time America will realise that they need to change. They will end up having to change, their stats of violence are not going to improve dramatically without making change.
There is documentation that proves that people being admitted to hospital and staying overnight with gunshot wounds has increased by 35% from 2001-2011. Same goes for knife injuries. Increased.
The reason there are not more gun deaths is that medical trauma centres and ambulance guys have benefited from Iraq war medical procedures.
Instead of pumping in blood and keeping up the pressue, they use plasma and coagulants with lower pressure to get the victim to the Trauma centre. The lower pressure allows the coagulants to repair the internal; damage.
So more people are being shot but the medicos can patch them up nicely.

Look at Gabby Giffords. Point blank in the head and now she is up and about. She even has changed her mind about gun control.
I wonder what got into heer head to change her attitude.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142412788...
GoGoBar is a pedo

Cane├žas, Portugal

#106009 Apr 29, 2013
You dont even live in the USA you sick child molesting disgusting old man. Why should you care about guns when what you do is 1000 times worse.
I see now you have a met another friend i.e. larry... will you be grooming him to swap you pedophile photos with ?

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