It's the Guns, Stupid

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“And that's the end of the issue”

Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

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des

Perth, Australia

#105909 Apr 29, 2013
I'd like to see how many elderly people are bashed and robbed in America in their own home in comparison to Australia....
des

Perth, Australia

#105910 Apr 29, 2013
bread wrote:
Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.
Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.
Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.
Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.
Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.
Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.
Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.
Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.
Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.
Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.
Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.
Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.
Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.
Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.
Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.
Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.
Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.
Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.
Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.
Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.
Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.
Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.
Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.
Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.
Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.
Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.
Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.
Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.
she should set sail for mother England ..

Since: Oct 12

Moultrie, GA

#105911 Apr 29, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>Look at your avatar and tell me you are not a country of bloody gun ho meat heads with no sense of propitiatory, we don't need to have your sickness permeate decent society...animals have to be killed for food, as most people know, but you make a statement of your kill...which displays your inability to know what offends others....you are a dumb immature Yankee gun owning twat, and it shows. You wouldn't see that on one of ours or the British threads...only in Yankee land...
so you are a land of vegetarians?
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#105912 Apr 29, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
No again you are not telling the truth...we have the right to use self defense, EQUAL FORCE self defense...if you know what that means?....You really should learn to get your facts straight Tray if you want to be seen to be credible and not some jumped up NRA supporting propagandarist.
Self defense is not giving your attacker a fighting chance. As the old saying goes "if you find yourself in a fair fight your tactics are flawed. I promise an attacker is not going to afford you the same courtesy.
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#105913 Apr 29, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
Well none of that is true...but even if it was...which would you choose if you had to....the murder of children or general crime...I can't get over the absolute morons you have in your country....the answer would be the latter to everyone with a brain Tray.
I've been saying it all along. Violence is cause by a lot of variations and differ from area to area. It's not the guns. Larry finally got it right. The cause of crime in one area may by poverty related and in other it may be an ethnic thing or social. To limit it to the tool used in violence is to simplify a very complex problem. To trade one crime for another is not solving the problem nor is it acceptable. If a killer took 5 adults hostage but said he would release them if you would provide him with 20 young children to rape, would you? No negotiation with crime or criminals. It only encourages the behavior. Stop plea bargains, stop parole and early release. Stop the equal force crap. Make being a criminal a dead end line of work.
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#105914 Apr 29, 2013
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#105915 Apr 29, 2013
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#105916 Apr 29, 2013
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#105917 Apr 29, 2013
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#105918 Apr 29, 2013
Becky

Yangzhou, China

#105919 Apr 29, 2013
bread wrote:
Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.
Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.
Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.
Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.
Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.
Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.
Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.
Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.
Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.
Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.
Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.
Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.
Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.
Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.
Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.
Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.
Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.
Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.
Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.
Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.
Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.
Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.
Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.
Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.
Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.
Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.
Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.
Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.
You are starting to repeat yourself
Larry

Australia

#105920 Apr 29, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> If it were relevant. You already had an almost nonexistant mass shooting rate. You have 1/ 5th the population of the US so yes logic says less number of victims. Suicide rates are not linked to method PROVEN by Japans high suicide rate. You are fed carefully worded propaganda and facts twisted to fit an agenda. You heard what you wanted to hear with no question. I can say 99.9% of crimes were committed by criminals wearing shoes but that pldoes not link shoes to criminal behavior but if you are anti shoe chances are you would buy it.


You need to understand what rates are mate. When rates are talked about it does not matter what the population size is. No two countries in the world have the exact same number of people in them, thats the whole reason rates are used aye.

The rate used is per 100 000 , it doesnt matter if your population is one million or one billion, per 100 000.

Can your false logic on bigger population is going to have higher rate. The number of victims proportional to population size is how a rate is formed.

Americas shooting death rates are consistantly many times higher than Australia.

Your take on Japan is very narrow. The Japanese are a different ethnicity, different culture, life pressures and expectations. They actually have quite a low rate of gun violence. Their suicide rate clearly reflects many other factors.
It has not changed significantly.

Australias suicide rate dropped in the years after gun control measures were introduced. A very desirable trend.
Larry

Australia

#105921 Apr 29, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
And for anyone who says we stand by America 100% they are lying...we stand by Britain 100% New Zealand 100% but we only involve ourselves militarily, with America when we have to...that is the truth...not the bullshit others will tell you...they are suck ups and don't know our history well!
Our history has and always will, be tied to Britain and any sovereign British country, they call we go.
America has never had any credibility here even before WW2 and their dismal late entry into that war.
Loyal to the mother country.. If only Qantas went with a British airway, now you cant order a pork chop on your flight. The out rage. I m sure 95 % of the country agrees.
America is a very close international friend of Australias gun differences aside.
Larry

Australia

#105922 Apr 29, 2013
We're all mates, old friends.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#105923 Apr 29, 2013
Larry wrote:
<quoted text>
You need to understand what rates are mate. When rates are talked about it does not matter what the population size is. No two countries in the world have the exact same number of people in them, thats the whole reason rates are used aye.
The rate used is per 100 000 , it doesnt matter if your population is one million or one billion, per 100 000.
Can your false logic on bigger population is going to have higher rate. The number of victims proportional to population size is how a rate is formed.
Americas shooting death rates are consistantly many times higher than Australia.
Your take on Japan is very narrow. The Japanese are a different ethnicity, different culture, life pressures and expectations. They actually have quite a low rate of gun violence. Their suicide rate clearly reflects many other factors.
It has not changed significantly.
Australias suicide rate dropped in the years after gun control measures were introduced. A very desirable trend.
Crime Rate Increases with Australia's gun Ban

Larry

Australia

#105924 Apr 29, 2013
The united Nations
Larry

Australia

#105925 Apr 29, 2013
Ah I m done .. What about this weather? How I always dream of owning a backyard pool. Put a heap of ice cubes in it and go for a swim at night.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#105926 Apr 29, 2013
Larry wrote:
<quoted text>
You need to understand what rates are mate. When rates are talked about it does not matter what the population size is. No two countries in the world have the exact same number of people in them, thats the whole reason rates are used aye.
The rate used is per 100 000 , it doesnt matter if your population is one million or one billion, per 100 000.
Can your false logic on bigger population is going to have higher rate. The number of victims proportional to population size is how a rate is formed.
Americas shooting death rates are consistantly many times higher than Australia.
Your take on Japan is very narrow. The Japanese are a different ethnicity, different culture, life pressures and expectations. They actually have quite a low rate of gun violence. Their suicide rate clearly reflects many other factors.
It has not changed significantly.
Australias suicide rate dropped in the years after gun control measures were introduced. A very desirable trend.
Australian Gun Ban Facts & Statistics

It has now been over 10 years since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own Government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars.

The statistics for the years following the ban are now in:

Accidental gun deaths are 300% higher than the pre-1997 ban rate
The assault rate has increased 800% since 1991, and increased 200% since the 1997 gun ban.
Robbery and armed robbery have increase 20% from the pre-97 ban rate.
From immediately after the ban was instituted in 1997 through 2002, the robbery and armed robbery rate was up 200% over the pre-ban rates.
In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 171 percent.

There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort, and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns.

The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it. While the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns. Criminals in Australia now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws ONLY adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.

Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late! The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson. With guns, we are 'citizens'. Without them, we are 'subjects'.

One final statistic...

Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 170 million

"The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental."- John Steinbeck

http://www.reasonorforce.com/2010/08/australi...
Larry

Australia

#105927 Apr 29, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>Crime Rate Increases with Australia's gun Ban
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =hoAFOHbicqEXX
Not true.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#105928 Apr 29, 2013
Larry wrote:
<quoted text>
Not true.
whatever Chicago, Illinois has confirmed it too with their Gun Ban that has been in place for years and has seen noting but a high crime & homicide rates.

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