It's the Guns, Stupid

It's the Guns, Stupid

There are 103300 comments on the Truthdig story from Apr 20, 2007, titled It's the Guns, Stupid. In it, Truthdig reports that:

“And that's the end of the issue”

Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

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roby

Stratford, Canada

#105903 Apr 28, 2013
one more thing I should mention,afriend of mine was fired from work,and not his doing at all,they drove him literally best way to put it very unstable man,almost a year therapy,he told me amonth into his sickness those people are lucky I don,t live in the states,this is not meant to critize americans,but because he does not hunt he does not have a gun,and he was telling me the only way to get a hand gun is you have to know certain people and truth is a family man does not get involved in these type of groups of people.what I am saying if your are a typical guy and don,t know people you are not getting a gun period.he has got over those feeling thank god.
des

Australia

#105904 Apr 28, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
And for anyone who says we stand by America 100% they are lying...we stand by Britain 100% New Zealand 100% but we only involve ourselves militarily, with America when we have to...that is the truth...not the bullshit others will tell you...they are suck ups and don't know our history well!
Our history has and always will, be tied to Britain and any sovereign British country, they call we go.
America has never had any credibility here even before WW2 and their dismal late entry into that war.
Really?? Brush up on your history lessons... Your embarrassing yourself and the rest of Australia. With your incoherant drivel and holier than thou attitute.
roby

Stratford, Canada

#105907 Apr 29, 2013
also one more comment in reguards to arming teachers in the statesI could not believe the comment from the American in this forum about the only way to stop the school shootings is to arm the teachers,that would really make americans I will not even say it,my wife girlfriend lives in the states roughly 3 years ago she has a friend who is a teacher down there,his students literally drove thios guy into a phyciatric hospital for 2 weeks I,m sure the parents of those students are very thankful this man was not armed,who to say he would of but truly I would not want to test it out.Just my thought,Here in Canada if you don,t hunt you cannot get a gun,personally speaking I know I would not be able to get a handgun and that's not because I am a criminal,you have to know a certain group of people and trust me the majority would not,and truthfully I like that,here in Canada we roughly get 180 murders by gun a year
bread

Landau, Germany

#105908 Apr 29, 2013
Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.

Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.

Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.

Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.

Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.

Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.

Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.

Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.

Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.

Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.

Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.

Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.

Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.

Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.

Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.

Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.

Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.

Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.

Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.

Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.

Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.

Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.

Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.

Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.

Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.

Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.

Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.

Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.
des

Australia

#105909 Apr 29, 2013
I'd like to see how many elderly people are bashed and robbed in America in their own home in comparison to Australia....
des

Australia

#105910 Apr 29, 2013
bread wrote:
Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.
Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.
Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.
Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.
Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.
Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.
Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.
Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.
Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.
Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.
Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.
Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.
Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.
Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.
Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.
Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.
Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.
Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.
Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.
Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.
Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.
Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.
Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.
Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.
Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.
Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.
Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.
Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.
she should set sail for mother England ..

Since: Oct 12

Rochelle, GA

#105911 Apr 29, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>Look at your avatar and tell me you are not a country of bloody gun ho meat heads with no sense of propitiatory, we don't need to have your sickness permeate decent society...animals have to be killed for food, as most people know, but you make a statement of your kill...which displays your inability to know what offends others....you are a dumb immature Yankee gun owning twat, and it shows. You wouldn't see that on one of ours or the British threads...only in Yankee land...
so you are a land of vegetarians?
Tray

Ecru, MS

#105912 Apr 29, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
No again you are not telling the truth...we have the right to use self defense, EQUAL FORCE self defense...if you know what that means?....You really should learn to get your facts straight Tray if you want to be seen to be credible and not some jumped up NRA supporting propagandarist.
Self defense is not giving your attacker a fighting chance. As the old saying goes "if you find yourself in a fair fight your tactics are flawed. I promise an attacker is not going to afford you the same courtesy.
Tray

Ecru, MS

#105913 Apr 29, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
Well none of that is true...but even if it was...which would you choose if you had to....the murder of children or general crime...I can't get over the absolute morons you have in your country....the answer would be the latter to everyone with a brain Tray.
I've been saying it all along. Violence is cause by a lot of variations and differ from area to area. It's not the guns. Larry finally got it right. The cause of crime in one area may by poverty related and in other it may be an ethnic thing or social. To limit it to the tool used in violence is to simplify a very complex problem. To trade one crime for another is not solving the problem nor is it acceptable. If a killer took 5 adults hostage but said he would release them if you would provide him with 20 young children to rape, would you? No negotiation with crime or criminals. It only encourages the behavior. Stop plea bargains, stop parole and early release. Stop the equal force crap. Make being a criminal a dead end line of work.
Tray

Ecru, MS

#105914 Apr 29, 2013
Tray

Ecru, MS

#105915 Apr 29, 2013
Tray

Ecru, MS

#105916 Apr 29, 2013
Tray

Ecru, MS

#105917 Apr 29, 2013
Tray

Ecru, MS

#105918 Apr 29, 2013
Becky

Nanjing, China

#105919 Apr 29, 2013
bread wrote:
Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.
Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.
Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.
Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.
Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.
Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.
Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.
Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.
Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.
Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.
Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.
Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.
Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.
Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.
Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.
Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.
Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.
Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.
Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.
Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.
Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.
Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.
Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.
Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.
Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.
Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.
Shut the f*ck Ahomona up you fat unemployed useless bitch.
Go and die. Stop burdening Australian tax payers with your fat unemployed welfare sponge self.
Why should America listen to what a lowlife welfare cheat who is too lazy to get off her fat ass and work has to say.
You are starting to repeat yourself
Larry

Australia

#105920 Apr 29, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> If it were relevant. You already had an almost nonexistant mass shooting rate. You have 1/ 5th the population of the US so yes logic says less number of victims. Suicide rates are not linked to method PROVEN by Japans high suicide rate. You are fed carefully worded propaganda and facts twisted to fit an agenda. You heard what you wanted to hear with no question. I can say 99.9% of crimes were committed by criminals wearing shoes but that pldoes not link shoes to criminal behavior but if you are anti shoe chances are you would buy it.


You need to understand what rates are mate. When rates are talked about it does not matter what the population size is. No two countries in the world have the exact same number of people in them, thats the whole reason rates are used aye.

The rate used is per 100 000 , it doesnt matter if your population is one million or one billion, per 100 000.

Can your false logic on bigger population is going to have higher rate. The number of victims proportional to population size is how a rate is formed.

Americas shooting death rates are consistantly many times higher than Australia.

Your take on Japan is very narrow. The Japanese are a different ethnicity, different culture, life pressures and expectations. They actually have quite a low rate of gun violence. Their suicide rate clearly reflects many other factors.
It has not changed significantly.

Australias suicide rate dropped in the years after gun control measures were introduced. A very desirable trend.
Larry

Australia

#105921 Apr 29, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
And for anyone who says we stand by America 100% they are lying...we stand by Britain 100% New Zealand 100% but we only involve ourselves militarily, with America when we have to...that is the truth...not the bullshit others will tell you...they are suck ups and don't know our history well!
Our history has and always will, be tied to Britain and any sovereign British country, they call we go.
America has never had any credibility here even before WW2 and their dismal late entry into that war.
Loyal to the mother country.. If only Qantas went with a British airway, now you cant order a pork chop on your flight. The out rage. I m sure 95 % of the country agrees.
America is a very close international friend of Australias gun differences aside.
Larry

Australia

#105922 Apr 29, 2013
We're all mates, old friends.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#105923 Apr 29, 2013
Larry wrote:
<quoted text>
You need to understand what rates are mate. When rates are talked about it does not matter what the population size is. No two countries in the world have the exact same number of people in them, thats the whole reason rates are used aye.
The rate used is per 100 000 , it doesnt matter if your population is one million or one billion, per 100 000.
Can your false logic on bigger population is going to have higher rate. The number of victims proportional to population size is how a rate is formed.
Americas shooting death rates are consistantly many times higher than Australia.
Your take on Japan is very narrow. The Japanese are a different ethnicity, different culture, life pressures and expectations. They actually have quite a low rate of gun violence. Their suicide rate clearly reflects many other factors.
It has not changed significantly.
Australias suicide rate dropped in the years after gun control measures were introduced. A very desirable trend.
Crime Rate Increases with Australia's gun Ban

Larry

Australia

#105924 Apr 29, 2013
The united Nations

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