It's the Guns, Stupid

It's the Guns, Stupid

There are 103300 comments on the Truthdig story from Apr 20, 2007, titled It's the Guns, Stupid. In it, Truthdig reports that:

“And that's the end of the issue”

Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Truthdig.

GoGoBar is a pedo

Netherlands

#105767 Apr 28, 2013
GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.

GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.

GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.

GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.

GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.

GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.

GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.

GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.

GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.

GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.

GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.

GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.

GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.

GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.

GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.

GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.

GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.

GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.

GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.

GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.

GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.

GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.

GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.

GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.

GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.

GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.

GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.

GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.

GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.

GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.

GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.

GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.

GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.

GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.
republican supporter

San Jose, CA

#105769 Apr 28, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
No! if you get rid of men there is no seed...so no need for brutality against women....ijit.
wrong women are evil trouble makes for men and are scared walking alone at night,they cheat ,masturbate at home when their husbands are at work,use sex to make money from men,
GoGoBar

Thailand

#105770 Apr 28, 2013
GoGoBar is a pedo wrote:
GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.
GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.
GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.
GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.
GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.
GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.
GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.
GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.
GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.
GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.
GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.
GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.
GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.
GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.
GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.
GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.
GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.
GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.
GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.
GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.
GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.
GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.
GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.
GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.
GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.
GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.
GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.
GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.
GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.
GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.
GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.
GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.
GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.
GoGoBar is a sick old poof that lives above a child brothel in Thailand so he can drool over little kids all day.
I should get a dark tan and move to New Delhi
Anonymous

Ashburn, VA

#105771 Apr 28, 2013
that one dey
GoGoBar is a sex offender

United States

#105772 Apr 28, 2013
GoGoBar is a petophile who chooses to live in Thailand to escape prosecution for his petophile crimes.

GoGoBar is a petophile who chooses to live in Thailand to escape prosecution for his petophile crimes.

GoGoBar is a petophile who chooses to live in Thailand to escape prosecution for his petophile crimes.

GoGoBar is a petophile who chooses to live in Thailand to escape prosecution for his petophile crimes.

GoGoBar is a petophile who chooses to live in Thailand to escape prosecution for his petophile crimes.

GoGoBar is a petophile who chooses to live in Thailand to escape prosecution for his petophile crimes.

GoGoBar is a petophile who chooses to live in Thailand to escape prosecution for his petophile crimes.

GoGoBar is a petophile who chooses to live in Thailand to escape prosecution for his petophile crimes.

GoGoBar is a petophile who chooses to live in Thailand to escape prosecution for his petophile crimes.

GoGoBar is a petophile who chooses to live in Thailand to escape prosecution for his petophile crimes.

GoGoBar is a petophile who chooses to live in Thailand to escape prosecution for his petophile crimes.

GoGoBar is a petophile who chooses to live in Thailand to escape prosecution for his petophile crimes.

GoGoBar is a petophile who chooses to live in Thailand to escape prosecution for his petophile crimes.

GoGoBar is a petophile who chooses to live in Thailand to escape prosecution for his petophile crimes.

GoGoBar is a petophile who chooses to live in Thailand to escape prosecution for his petophile crimes.

GoGoBar is a petophile who chooses to live in Thailand to escape prosecution for his petophile crimes.

GoGoBar is a petophile who chooses to live in Thailand to escape prosecution for his petophile crimes.

GoGoBar is a petophile who chooses to live in Thailand to escape prosecution for his petophile crimes.

GoGoBar is a petophile who chooses to live in Thailand to escape prosecution for his petophile crimes.

GoGoBar is a petophile who chooses to live in Thailand to escape prosecution for his petophile crimes.

GoGoBar is a petophile who chooses to live in Thailand to escape prosecution for his petophile crimes.

GoGoBar is a petophile who chooses to live in Thailand to escape prosecution for his petophile crimes.

GoGoBar is a petophile who chooses to live in Thailand to escape prosecution for his petophile crimes.

GoGoBar is a petophile who chooses to live in Thailand to escape prosecution for his petophile crimes.

GoGoBar is a petophile who chooses to live in Thailand to escape prosecution for his petophile crimes.

GoGoBar is a petophile who chooses to live in Thailand to escape prosecution for his petophile crimes.

GoGoBar is a petophile who chooses to live in Thailand to escape prosecution for his petophile crimes.

GoGoBar is a petophile who chooses to live in Thailand to escape prosecution for his petophile crimes.

GoGoBar is a petophile who chooses to live in Thailand to escape prosecution for his petophile crimes.

GoGoBar is a petophile who chooses to live in Thailand to escape prosecution for his petophile crimes.

GoGoBar is a petophile who chooses to live in Thailand to escape prosecution for his petophile crimes.

GoGoBar is a petophile who chooses to live in Thailand to escape prosecution for his petophile crimes.

GoGoBar is a petophile who chooses to live in Thailand to escape prosecution for his petophile crimes.

GoGoBar is a petophile who chooses to live in Thailand to escape prosecution for his petophile crimes.

GoGoBar is a petophile who chooses to live in Thailand to escape prosecution for his petophile crimes.

GoGoBar is a petophile who chooses to live in Thailand to escape prosecution for his petophile crimes.

GoGoBar is a petophile who chooses to live in Thailand to escape prosecution for his petophile crimes.

GoGoBar is a petophile who chooses to live in Thailand to escape prosecution for his petophile crimes.
Larry

Australia

#105774 Apr 28, 2013
Teaman wrote:
<quoted text>
A gun is used to protect. It depends on your perspective.
Have you heard of Mayor Bloomberg of New York? He is trying to end the biggest killer of our time, natural causes.
No I disagree, if you pull out a gun that is a threat.

Otherwise you could just pull out a vegimite and cheese sandwich saying here you go mate.

You pull out a gun as a threat to shoot, to kill. It's a weapon.

Protection is a condom which protects from STIs aye.. Nasty those diseases..

Protection is a helmate for your motorcycle

Protection is a bullet proof vest to protect you from a bullet!

A gun is a weapon designed to kill, lets not beat around the bush mate.

Since: Dec 10

Glandore, Australia

#105775 Apr 28, 2013
republican supporter wrote:
<quoted text>wrong women are evil trouble makes for men and are scared walking alone at night,they cheat ,masturbate at home when their husbands are at work,use sex to make money from men,
Do you think women would be scared to walk at night if there were NO men to rape attack or murder them?
Teaman

Abingdon, VA

#105776 Apr 28, 2013
Larry wrote:
<quoted text>
No I disagree, if you pull out a gun that is a threat.
Otherwise you could just pull out a vegimite and cheese sandwich saying here you go mate.
You pull out a gun as a threat to shoot, to kill. It's a weapon.
Protection is a condom which protects from STIs aye.. Nasty those diseases..
Protection is a helmate for your motorcycle
Protection is a bullet proof vest to protect you from a bullet!
A gun is a weapon designed to kill, lets not beat around the bush mate.
If a store clerk is being robbed at gunpoint and the clerk pulls out a gun and shoots the robber and kills him, it was protection. A different perspective from behind the counter.:-)

Before you get into property crimes and give him what he wants, we have animals here that would shoot you just for the fun of it after he has what he wanted. I don't believe you have that element in your society yet. Before you get into gun control, these animals aren't supposed to have them now.
Tray

French Camp, MS

#105777 Apr 28, 2013
Larry wrote:
I support the USA all their conflicts, Saddam Hussein was an evil dictator and threat to world peace. A strong United States is a Safe world in my opinion.
The United States uses its powerful position as a peace keeper. Australia is a close alli of the USA, people are always going to complain and say oh they were after oil or opium or whatever, but at the end of the day saddam hussein is dead, Ossama bin laden is dead. These were evil people who committed the most horrific crimes. Australia will always support the USA 100 percent in these situations. Back to the topic of guns we are not telling the Americans what to do, ultimately they will do what they like, we can only share our experience and reccomend that they take action on gun control.
While I appreciate the recommendation we also have had great experience with gun control. Our experience shows gun control to be dangerous and in the long term to usually lead to government corruption and increase in violent crime rate. Most on here want to compare the U.S. only to Australia but when a world comparison is used and a longer historical comparison then gun control usually fails.
Teaman

Abingdon, VA

#105778 Apr 28, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
Why does America need them?
Why does anyone need them? I thought we were on the road to getting rid of them when Reagan was president, but apparently not.

Since: Oct 12

Rochelle, GA

#105779 Apr 28, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>Or just kill off all the men....
or put the women back In the kitchen where they belong
Tray

French Camp, MS

#105780 Apr 28, 2013
Larry wrote:
<quoted text> thats a ridiculous notion, a car is used for transportation, a gun is used to kill. Car accidents happen, but you dont go out and buy a car and go on an "accident spree"
Thats the equivalent of saying we will ban coca cola and take away because it causes obesity and heart attacks.
A gun is designed to kill, that is its sole purpose. Most people driving do the right thing, and we punish those who dont. Work place accidents occur also, but just like driving, its sole purpose is not to kill or threaten to kill.
I am against all weapons designed to kill, a police officer is the only person who should have a gun in my opinion.
But cars are used to murder. Drunk driving, speeding, are intentional actions not accidents, those who do them know their actions are deadly. Regardless of it's intended purpose it is still a main case of death. A gun is simply a metal tube that uses a chemical reaction to propel an object. The operator, just like a car, decides it's purpose. To continue to blame one tool is simplistic. People killed each other just fine for thousands of years with a multitude of weapons or just basic items like rocks and sticks and yes their hands. Like cars, guns have only been on Earth a short speck of time and will eventually be replace by more efficient machines or devices. You are trying to put a band aid on a cancer. Nice idea and sounds good but worthless and in some cases more harm than good. At one time the more intelligent (doctors) thought bleeding a sick person was a cure but it was worthless and many died because of it but hey it sounded good and they were doing "something". The age old fail "we must do something even if it's the wrong thing".
Larry

Australia

#105781 Apr 28, 2013
Teaman wrote:
<quoted text>
If a store clerk is being robbed at gunpoint and the clerk pulls out a gun and shoots the robber and kills him, it was protection. A different perspective from behind the counter.:-)
Before you get into property crimes and give him what he wants, we have animals here that would shoot you just for the fun of it after he has what he wanted. I don't believe you have that element in your society yet. Before you get into gun control, these animals aren't supposed to have them now.


If a store clerk is being robbed in Australia we hand over the till!

The criminal is caught on video, and as soon as the criminal leaves the police are called.

90% of the time the criminal is identified and caught. The money is returned or claimed back on insurance. The criminal goes to jail.

We have more holdups with knives same deal, hand over cash they are later caught.

We dont try and be heros here.
Tray

French Camp, MS

#105782 Apr 28, 2013
Larry wrote:
<quoted text>
If a store clerk is being robbed in Australia we hand over the till!
The criminal is caught on video, and as soon as the criminal leaves the police are called.
90% of the time the criminal is identified and caught. The money is returned or claimed back on insurance. The criminal goes to jail.
We have more holdups with knives same deal, hand over cash they are later caught.
We dont try and be heros here.
Less than 10% of crime is solved. Less than 5% will be convicted. Less the 1% will serve a full sentence before being on the street again. Most criminals don't stop at one crime. The escalate until violent actions and yes murder become their mo. If you don't want to be a hero then fine but don't judge me because I don't want to be a dead defenseless victim to a criminal I owe nothing including making sure he is safe in his line of work. Go to your local prison and sit down in a cell with these harmless criminals then get back to me.
Larry

Australia

#105783 Apr 28, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> While I appreciate the recommendation we also have had great experience with gun control. Our experience shows gun control to be dangerous and in the long term to usually lead to government corruption and increase in violent crime rate. Most on here want to compare the U.S. only to Australia but when a world comparison is used and a longer historical comparison then gun control usually fails.
Ok then mate, there must be some other reason we have lower rates of shooting deaths and those rates have improved favourably since new gun control measures were put in place.

Rates have nothing to do with the size of a population remember. Those rates have already been provided in this discussion, it is pretty clear where more gun

Less firearm hold ups, lower suicide rate. Must just be coincidence.

John Howard used his authority to bring about significant tightening of gun laws on a national level. We knew it was the right thing and supported him, It would be nice to see Obama get support for gun controls.
Teaman

Abingdon, VA

#105784 Apr 28, 2013
Larry wrote:
<quoted text>
If a store clerk is being robbed in Australia we hand over the till!
The criminal is caught on video, and as soon as the criminal leaves the police are called.
90% of the time the criminal is identified and caught. The money is returned or claimed back on insurance. The criminal goes to jail.
We have more holdups with knives same deal, hand over cash they are later caught.
We dont try and be heros here.
As I said, you probably can't comprehend the low life forms we have here. The videos here quite often document a killing. Sometimes I think being a store clerk working in one of these 24 hour places late at night is more dangerous than being a cop.

It's good to have civilized criminals, aye mate?:-)
Larry

Australia

#105785 Apr 28, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> But cars are used to murder. Drunk driving, speeding, are intentional actions not accidents, those who do them know their actions are deadly. Regardless of it's intended purpose it is still a main case of death. A gun is simply a metal tube that uses a chemical reaction to propel an object. The operator, just like a car, decides it's purpose. To continue to blame one tool is simplistic. People killed each other just fine for thousands of years with a multitude of weapons or just basic items like rocks and sticks and yes their hands. Like cars, guns have only been on Earth a short speck of time and will eventually be replace by more efficient machines or devices. You are trying to put a band aid on a cancer. Nice idea and sounds good but worthless and in some cases more harm than good. At one time the more intelligent (doctors) thought bleeding a sick person was a cure but it was worthless and many died because of it but hey it sounded good and they were doing "something". The age old fail "we must do something even if it's the wrong thing".


A person does not use a car to go on a killing spree.

A person does not use a car to murder 35 people.
Tray

French Camp, MS

#105786 Apr 28, 2013
Larry wrote:
<quoted text>
If a store clerk is being robbed in Australia we hand over the till!
The criminal is caught on video, and as soon as the criminal leaves the police are called.
90% of the time the criminal is identified and caught. The money is returned or claimed back on insurance. The criminal goes to jail.
We have more holdups with knives same deal, hand over cash they are later caught.
We dont try and be heros here.
If you had a 90% capture rate then in a few months you would have stopped robberies because they would all be in jail. Any not caught would stop doing crime because they would know there is only a 10% chance of getting away with it and that's with just one robbery. If they were to continue their life of crime it would lead to their capture by the third crime. Is Australia crime free? Are your police out of a job because crime has been eliminated?
Teaman

Abingdon, VA

#105787 Apr 28, 2013
Larry wrote:
<quoted text>
A person does not use a car to go on a killing spree.
A person does not use a car to murder 35 people.
Except in a drive by shooting.:-)
Larry

Australia

#105788 Apr 28, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> Less than 10% of crime is solved. Less than 5% will be convicted. Less the 1% will serve a full sentence before being on the street again. Most criminals don't stop at one crime. The escalate until violent actions and yes murder become their mo. If you don't want to be a hero then fine but don't judge me because I don't want to be a dead defenseless victim to a criminal I owe nothing including making sure he is safe in his line of work. Go to your local prison and sit down in a cell with these harmless criminals then get back to me.
most stores in Australia have video surveillance. Even people wearing balaclavers are caught via car rego and other details. The majority of armed hold ups are actually solved in Australia. Its pretty heavy jail time also!

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Guns Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
News Clinton blames Republican leaders for a 'paraly... 8 min payme 1,973
News News Trump on unarmed Clinton guards: 'Let's se... 30 min payme 732
News Ray LaMontagne cancels Texas show over campus c... Fri justice 6
News Report On "Unprecedented" Criminal Firearm Misu... Sep 22 Show no mercy 5
'K'i't'c'h'e'n's' For Sale North Midlands Area UK Sep 22 Anonymous 1
News Democrats to push for universal background chec... Sep 13 Get Out 5
News Background Checks Initiative is complicated, un... Sep 13 Get Out 3
More from around the web