It's the Guns, Stupid

It's the Guns, Stupid

There are 103299 comments on the Truthdig story from Apr 20, 2007, titled It's the Guns, Stupid. In it, Truthdig reports that:

“And that's the end of the issue”

Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

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Teaman

Abingdon, VA

#105505 Apr 25, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
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Actually, at the time that the Second Amendment was written, the "militia" was ALL able-bodied males over the age of 13 years old. They had a LEGAL duty, and a moral duty, to protect their villages, towns, communities, and state, from invasion and armed disturbances, both foreign and domestic. And each person while in service in the militia, was legally obligated to supply their own arms and ammunition. And if you were wealthy, that INCLUDED cannons, ammunition for such weapons, and other arms and artillery.
Today's state militias have been called the "National Guard" for more than 90 years, a poor moniker which should be changed back to state "militia".
You said it, state. Not federally regulated.

Since: Dec 10

Glandore, Australia

#105506 Apr 25, 2013
Larry wrote:
<quoted text> yeah I d support most of that. I m a young man and I ve never gone to a strip club. Out of morals also. I hear there is a lot of Asian girls working in them, and in the paper, lots of ads for Asian escorts. Might be a cultural thing, less stigma attached to it.
I say Australia to be the first Anglo country to get really tough on drugs .. What do we say, good idea? States seems pretty relaxed about that stuff so we certainly arnt copying from them. I say clean up Australia, get rid of the drugs, like fully fuck up the drug dealers shut em down. All these bikies and gangs, nothing but bloody trouble, I m a young person myself, so I ve seen first hand, they are the ones that distribute all the drugs, nothing but trouble. And they do some charity thing once a year and act like good people. All they do is intiidate people and sell drugs and other criminal stuff. Fucken sort the bikies and gangs out first up. Next you want to stop people dealing pot. That stuff really stuffs people up more than people want to believe, in terms of life success, you smoke pot, you are not achieving anywhere near your best. Absolutely fuckd woth your memory. I was at a friends place when he was smoking, I ended up really passively stoned and when I got home that day I couldnt remember where I d put things like my wallet or phone. It was crazy, two days later I could think properly again. Even people dealing small amounts fucken make it known the stuff is not tollerated. it affects uni and work performance even if people argue it doesnt, I recon its the same as drinking in terms of memory impairment etc. you stop drinking and your memory returns. I noticed that personally.
The other thing is dogs on leads fucken sickof dogs coming up.to me. He wont bite. Well if he does I m gonna lay the boot in. fucken how do I know if hes going to bite or not,?
No! I absolutely agree with all drugs being completely outlawed, I have a nephew who comes home from work to his bong room and that is where he stays till the weekend is over....he is a mechanic and it seems that all those he works with him are on it as well..... I am rather sick of people who take their dogs and kids to cafe's, and I love dogs and kids... but not near my food..no one can trust any dog that much, or bear a child screaming in your ear as you try to sip you espresso :)...as I found out just recently at my local cafe...with an incident involving a dog and kid and a chip....it didn't end well for any of them...or me...I needed to get home to my dog and grown up kids for a break...

Since: Dec 10

Glandore, Australia

#105507 Apr 25, 2013
Larry Meber wrote:
What part of "shall not be infringed" are you having a problem with, son?
The time period in history it was meant to relate to...

Since: Dec 10

Glandore, Australia

#105508 Apr 25, 2013
Just wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
The most brutal and grotesque violence we have seen since WW2 came from the Bush White House ... over a million people dead, maimed, wounded or displaced!
Yes, and I wish more people would see it like you do and maybe we would stop these tyrants from trying to impose their rules and their ignorance on those that are in their line of sight.:)

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#105509 Apr 25, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
The time period in history it was meant to relate to...
So the First Amendment therefore doesn't apply to tv, the radio, magazines, and the web right ?

Since: Dec 10

Glandore, Australia

#105510 Apr 25, 2013
Tray wrote:
NEW YORK (CBSNewYork)— Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s food police have struck again!
Outlawed are food donations to homeless shelters because the city can’t assess their salt, fat and fiber content, reports CBS 2’s Marcia Kramer.
Glenn Richter arrived at a West Side synagogue on Monday to collect surplus bagels — fresh nutritious bagels — to donate to the poor. However, under a new edict from Bloomberg’s food police he can no longer donate the food to city homeless shelters...... Sometimes laws make things worse. The road to Hell is paved with "good intentions".
Americans are a crazy lot.

Since: Dec 10

Glandore, Australia

#105511 Apr 25, 2013
Teaman wrote:
<quoted text>
If you're into golf, an Australian won the Masters this year.
Cheers Teaman, I saw that....it was a good win for him but it is not about beating the Americans in a fair fight, it is about beating them when they are in charge and change the rules so they remain on top simply because they can, Aussies love a good challenge but they love a dare more....and that is why the America's cup win was good, because it showed us even if you are willing to cheat,it that doesn't necessarily mean you will always win. We won against all odds...that's what makes that win so special to us....the moral of the story. we love to support the battler...In the America's cup it was everyone but America...so I was rooting for any number of them to win... It was just our lucky day I guess.:)

Since: Dec 10

Glandore, Australia

#105512 Apr 25, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> I did. It says arms, not muskets. You can read can't you. An AR15 and AK47 are arms. What it don't say is there are ANY limits on what arms are or who can have them or any permission granted to the government to control "arms" in any way. Can you show were it says otherwise?
I think that is where common sense prevails else we would still think it is OK to keep people as slaves....
BTW...it is not OK.

Since: Dec 10

Glandore, Australia

#105513 Apr 25, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm a New Yorker, born and raised, recently having moved from New York to Arizona.
Bloomberg is a monomaniacal dictator who wants to micromanage every person's lives in every way. He is the TYPICAL liberal who REALLY believes that Americans are JUST TOO STUPID to make decisions for themselves, and lead their lives according to they way they wish to.
ONLY the all-knowing benevolent ivory-tower dictators can instruct the poor masses on how to live. And liberal brook NO DISSENT. Uncle Joe Stalin is smiling up from Hell on Michael Bloomberg.
The liberal's mantra is: "Just because socialism failed in the Soviet Union doesn't mean it can't work here !:)"
I don't think it has as much to do with being a liberal...in our country that it socialist as being a rich man that is buffeted against real people doing it tough...you can't expect him to understand because he has not suffered what they have...he needs to get on their level and live how they live to respect their need for assistance in time of hardship, he gives his opinion freely because he has no one who will challenge his bigoted ideas...ie food is food when people are hungry...what does the fat or salt content matter if it keeps them alive.

Since: Dec 10

Glandore, Australia

#105514 Apr 25, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> He is not alone. History is full of examples just like him, many even worse. There will always be those who think they know more than those they rule over. Some are just drunk with power, some are mentally deranged. One thing is for sure, those without limits from the people will eventually enslave the people.
Too late she cried!
spocko

Oakland, CA

#105515 Apr 25, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> I did. It says arms, not muskets. You can read can't you. An AR15 and AK47 are arms. What it don't say is there are ANY limits on what arms are or who can have them or any permission granted to the government to control "arms" in any way. Can you show were it says otherwise?
But that is so easy a child can do it, feel free to do even the most minimal research how the word “arms” was used in the 1700s.

In arms -- armed for war; in a state of hostility.
To arms!-- a summons to war or battle
A stand of arms -- a complete set for one soldier, as a musket, bayonet, cartridge box and belt; frequently, the musket and bayonet alone.
Under arms -- armed and equipped and in readiness for battle, or for a military parade.

It clearly refers to people going to war and never about self-defense or any other of your gunloon fantasies.

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#105516 Apr 25, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
I think that is where common sense prevails else we would still think it is OK to keep people as slaves....
BTW...it is not OK.
"SYDNEY, Australia — Shackled, flogged with kangaroo hide whips and raped at will, Australia's slaves died by the thousands.

Between 1842 and 1904 more than 60,000 men and boys from the South Pacific islands, and an unknown number of women and girls, were kidnapped and brought to Australia to work as slaves on the sugar plantations that still dot the country's northeast coast."

http://articles.latimes.com/1991-10-13/news/m...

Since: Dec 10

Glandore, Australia

#105517 Apr 25, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
<quoted text>
So the First Amendment therefore doesn't apply to tv, the radio, magazines, and the web right ?
Of course it does in context...ie what if Al queda started up a radio station in America and used it the call those to attack all you gentiles..would it still apply, no because they are using hate and propaganda with the intent to harm....which goes against everything these men where fighting for...see? Freedom of speech has it's boundaries and they where relying on those down through the ages to adhere to strong simple values and principles...they were pios for the most part, which is a far cry from the citizens of today...keep things in context, try to think what they meant when such a law was implemented...they would be horrified at how their endeavors have failed to enlighten today's America.
GoGoBar

Thailand

#105518 Apr 25, 2013
All rights are guarenteed under the Constitution
But those rights are not unlimited.
All laws must be obeyed.

Now if you apply freedom, equality and liberty into the equation, it is plainly unfair that any weapon be permitted on the market. Why? Because it is unfair to those who cannot afford to purchase a parity weapon.

Sloution. Citizens of similar beliefs can form gangs for protection.
Then gangs can form into forces under wealthy warlords.
Then you have Somalia or Yemen or Syria.

The wealthy do it legally in commerce and call themselves Corporations. They know how to make the most out of rights.

Since: Dec 10

Glandore, Australia

#105519 Apr 25, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
<quoted text>
"SYDNEY, Australia — Shackled, flogged with kangaroo hide whips and raped at will, Australia's slaves died by the thousands.
Between 1842 and 1904 more than 60,000 men and boys from the South Pacific islands, and an unknown number of women and girls, were kidnapped and brought to Australia to work as slaves on the sugar plantations that still dot the country's northeast coast."
http://articles.latimes.com/1991-10-13/news/m...
Did you miss the point.....it is NOT OK!

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#105520 Apr 25, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
Did you miss the point.....it is NOT OK!
Apparently, you guys didn't end slavery until sometime in the 20th century.
GoGoBar

Thailand

#105521 Apr 25, 2013
The irony of the end to Blackbirding is that it was phased out not by war or charity, but by the "White Australia Policy."
Politically incorrect today, we have to admit that it had a positive outcome in the forming of our demographics.
Teaman

Abingdon, VA

#105522 Apr 25, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course it does in context...ie what if Al queda started up a radio station in America and used it the call those to attack all you gentiles..would it still apply, no because they are using hate and propaganda with the intent to harm....which goes against everything these men where fighting for...see? Freedom of speech has it's boundaries and they where relying on those down through the ages to adhere to strong simple values and principles...they were pios for the most part, which is a far cry from the citizens of today...keep things in context, try to think what they meant when such a law was implemented...they would be horrified at how their endeavors have failed to enlighten today's America.
Al Qaeda freely uses the internet, doesn't it?
Teaman

Abingdon, VA

#105523 Apr 25, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
I think that is where common sense prevails else we would still think it is OK to keep people as slaves....
BTW...it is not OK.
Slavery was never a part of the bill of rights.
The Great Iron Dictator

Podgorica, Montenegro

#105524 Apr 25, 2013
The Brother Nathenel expose Jews who want to take our Guns...
Just like the Jews did the same in USSR!

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