It's the Guns, Stupid

It's the Guns, Stupid

There are 103292 comments on the Truthdig story from Apr 20, 2007, titled It's the Guns, Stupid. In it, Truthdig reports that:

“And that's the end of the issue”

Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

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Tray

French Camp, MS

#105491 Apr 25, 2013
Larry wrote:
Tray I have a game. Tray is gay and lives in a house made of clay and for din dins he eats crays and before that he prays and he says dear god I wish for less shooting deaths, and then fucken Aussie Larry pops up like a ficken genie and says dear Tray the answer is to do away with the guns. Then Tray says you know thats a fucken brilliant idea. Then we all live happily ever after and the big croc in the northern territory swims in his water hole, and the cows on king island eat their grass and make beautiful cheese.
Does that work on the playground? You can't think of anything adult? Poor low IQ.
Tray

French Camp, MS

#105492 Apr 25, 2013
spocko wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually that is not the difficult part, it's the part about what exactly is anyone infringing on - keeping Muskets? That part is so wide open it fits thru a barn door ...
Been through this already. Does freedom of the press mean only quill and paper? The right to vote means no voting machines? Notice it said ARMS not muskets. Just can't do it can you? Loser.
Tray

French Camp, MS

#105493 Apr 25, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
There will as you say always be violence, though in most civilized countries they endeavor to limit it as much as reasonable possible, if that means we give a little to get a lot, to some countries it is worth the effort...others not so much.
I agree with that but not at the expense of making the ordinary citizen defenseless against criminals. Most people do want a reasonably peaceful life but to make them sitting ducks to keep criminals safe is not logical. Life on this planet is dangerous. There is death all around us. Predators feed on the weaker in nature. Most of us wish it were not so but it is and we must accept that part. We endeavor to better ourselves (the one thing we have above animals) but it is still a fact that we are animals and have the traits of animals including violence. We play dangerous sports, we drive fast cars, we jump out of planes, we get a trill out of seeing a wreck on racetracks. We have boxing among many other vicious sports. We slow down and gawk at wrecks on the road to see the gore. No country, no group of people on earth are immune. We compete, we engage in combat from the debate to physical violence. Even you admit you enjoyed the defeat of the U.S. in a battle of sailboats. the old saying. Reach for the clouds but keep your feet on the ground. Endeavor to better yourself but realize not all have the same goals. Some like being animals and you must be able to face violence with violence sometimes.
spocko

Oakland, CA

#105494 Apr 25, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> Been through this already. Does freedom of the press mean only quill and paper? The right to vote means no voting machines? Notice it said ARMS not muskets. Just can't do it can you? Loser.
Not hardly, why don't you just show us where in the 2nd amendment it says otherwise!!
Tray

French Camp, MS

#105495 Apr 25, 2013
NEW YORK (CBSNewYork)— Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s food police have struck again!

Outlawed are food donations to homeless shelters because the city can’t assess their salt, fat and fiber content, reports CBS 2’s Marcia Kramer.

Glenn Richter arrived at a West Side synagogue on Monday to collect surplus bagels — fresh nutritious bagels — to donate to the poor. However, under a new edict from Bloomberg’s food police he can no longer donate the food to city homeless shelters...... Sometimes laws make things worse. The road to Hell is paved with "good intentions".

Since: Dec 10

Glandore, Australia

#105496 Apr 25, 2013
Larry wrote:
<quoted text> I spelt yacht wrong my apologies. People still talk about that.. I was too young to remember..
none of us are Rhodes Scholars.:)
Tray

French Camp, MS

#105497 Apr 25, 2013
spocko wrote:
<quoted text>
Not hardly, why don't you just show us where in the 2nd amendment it says otherwise!!
I did. It says arms, not muskets. You can read can't you. An AR15 and AK47 are arms. What it don't say is there are ANY limits on what arms are or who can have them or any permission granted to the government to control "arms" in any way. Can you show were it says otherwise?

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#105498 Apr 25, 2013
Tray wrote:
NEW YORK (CBSNewYork)— Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s food police have struck again!
Outlawed are food donations to homeless shelters because the city can’t assess their salt, fat and fiber content, reports CBS 2’s Marcia Kramer.
Glenn Richter arrived at a West Side synagogue on Monday to collect surplus bagels — fresh nutritious bagels — to donate to the poor. However, under a new edict from Bloomberg’s food police he can no longer donate the food to city homeless shelters...... Sometimes laws make things worse. The road to Hell is paved with "good intentions".
I'm a New Yorker, born and raised, recently having moved from New York to Arizona.

Bloomberg is a monomaniacal dictator who wants to micromanage every person's lives in every way. He is the TYPICAL liberal who REALLY believes that Americans are JUST TOO STUPID to make decisions for themselves, and lead their lives according to they way they wish to.

ONLY the all-knowing benevolent ivory-tower dictators can instruct the poor masses on how to live. And liberal brook NO DISSENT. Uncle Joe Stalin is smiling up from Hell on Michael Bloomberg.

The liberal's mantra is: "Just because socialism failed in the Soviet Union doesn't mean it can't work here !:)"
Tray

French Camp, MS

#105499 Apr 25, 2013
A militia (pron.:/m&#616;&#712;l &#618;&#643;&#601; /),[1] generally refers to an army or other fighting force that is composed of non-professional fighters; citizens of a nation or subjects of a state or government that can be called upon to enter a combat situation, as opposed to a professional force of regular soldiers or, historically, members of the fighting nobility. Some of the ways the term is used include:

Defense activity or service, to protect a community, its territory, property, and laws.[2]
The entire able-bodied population of a community, town, county, or state. A subset of these who actually respond to a call-up, regardless of legal obligation.

A private, non-government force, not necessarily directly supported or sanctioned by its government.

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#105500 Apr 25, 2013
Tray wrote:
A militia (pron.:/m&#616;&#712;l &#618;&#643;&#601; /),[1] generally refers to an army or other fighting force that is composed of non-professional fighters; citizens of a nation or subjects of a state or government that can be called upon to enter a combat situation, as opposed to a professional force of regular soldiers or, historically, members of the fighting nobility. Some of the ways the term is used include:
Defense activity or service, to protect a community, its territory, property, and laws.[2]
The entire able-bodied population of a community, town, county, or state. A subset of these who actually respond to a call-up, regardless of legal obligation.
A private, non-government force, not necessarily directly supported or sanctioned by its government.
Actually, at the time that the Second Amendment was written, the "militia" was ALL able-bodied males over the age of 13 years old. They had a LEGAL duty, and a moral duty, to protect their villages, towns, communities, and state, from invasion and armed disturbances, both foreign and domestic. And each person while in service in the militia, was legally obligated to supply their own arms and ammunition. And if you were wealthy, that INCLUDED cannons, ammunition for such weapons, and other arms and artillery.

Today's state militias have been called the "National Guard" for more than 90 years, a poor moniker which should be changed back to state "militia".
Tray

French Camp, MS

#105501 Apr 25, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm a New Yorker, born and raised, recently having moved from New York to Arizona.
Bloomberg is a monomaniacal dictator who wants to micromanage every person's lives in every way. He is the TYPICAL liberal who REALLY believes that Americans are JUST TOO STUPID to make decisions for themselves, and lead their lives according to they way they wish to.
ONLY the all-knowing benevolent ivory-tower dictators can instruct the poor masses on how to live. And liberal brook NO DISSENT. Uncle Joe Stalin is smiling up from Hell on Michael Bloomberg.
The liberal's mantra is: "Just because socialism failed in the Soviet Union doesn't mean it can't work here !:)"
He is not alone. History is full of examples just like him, many even worse. There will always be those who think they know more than those they rule over. Some are just drunk with power, some are mentally deranged. One thing is for sure, those without limits from the people will eventually enslave the people.
Tray

French Camp, MS

#105502 Apr 25, 2013
Lord of the flies.

Since: Dec 10

Glandore, Australia

#105504 Apr 25, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> I agree with that but not at the expense of making the ordinary citizen defenseless against criminals. Most people do want a reasonably peaceful life but to make them sitting ducks to keep criminals safe is not logical. Life on this planet is dangerous. There is death all around us. Predators feed on the weaker in nature. Most of us wish it were not so but it is and we must accept that part. We endeavor to better ourselves (the one thing we have above animals) but it is still a fact that we are animals and have the traits of animals including violence. We play dangerous sports, we drive fast cars, we jump out of planes, we get a trill out of seeing a wreck on racetracks. We have boxing among many other vicious sports. We slow down and gawk at wrecks on the road to see the gore. No country, no group of people on earth are immune. We compete, we engage in combat from the debate to physical violence. Even you admit you enjoyed the defeat of the U.S. in a battle of sailboats. the old saying. Reach for the clouds but keep your feet on the ground. Endeavor to better yourself but realize not all have the same goals. Some like being animals and you must be able to face violence with violence sometimes.
There are problems that arise with those willing to abuse there rights to take someones life because the law is backing them 100% and that is murder in anyone's language...I have seen a number of cases in the US where men have shot to kill without cause because they knew the law was on their side...it is never a good thing to allow a criminal to get away with theft etc...and it is never a good thing to allow law abiders to believe they can shoot someone and not go to jail just because the person they shot was acting suspicious, without proof this should always be treated as a homicide and there should be a trial..You and I know there have been those type of deaths that incurred through negligence or revenge or just plain arrogance, simply because they felt confident the law would protect them....
Teaman

Abingdon, VA

#105505 Apr 25, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, at the time that the Second Amendment was written, the "militia" was ALL able-bodied males over the age of 13 years old. They had a LEGAL duty, and a moral duty, to protect their villages, towns, communities, and state, from invasion and armed disturbances, both foreign and domestic. And each person while in service in the militia, was legally obligated to supply their own arms and ammunition. And if you were wealthy, that INCLUDED cannons, ammunition for such weapons, and other arms and artillery.
Today's state militias have been called the "National Guard" for more than 90 years, a poor moniker which should be changed back to state "militia".
You said it, state. Not federally regulated.

Since: Dec 10

Glandore, Australia

#105506 Apr 25, 2013
Larry wrote:
<quoted text> yeah I d support most of that. I m a young man and I ve never gone to a strip club. Out of morals also. I hear there is a lot of Asian girls working in them, and in the paper, lots of ads for Asian escorts. Might be a cultural thing, less stigma attached to it.
I say Australia to be the first Anglo country to get really tough on drugs .. What do we say, good idea? States seems pretty relaxed about that stuff so we certainly arnt copying from them. I say clean up Australia, get rid of the drugs, like fully fuck up the drug dealers shut em down. All these bikies and gangs, nothing but bloody trouble, I m a young person myself, so I ve seen first hand, they are the ones that distribute all the drugs, nothing but trouble. And they do some charity thing once a year and act like good people. All they do is intiidate people and sell drugs and other criminal stuff. Fucken sort the bikies and gangs out first up. Next you want to stop people dealing pot. That stuff really stuffs people up more than people want to believe, in terms of life success, you smoke pot, you are not achieving anywhere near your best. Absolutely fuckd woth your memory. I was at a friends place when he was smoking, I ended up really passively stoned and when I got home that day I couldnt remember where I d put things like my wallet or phone. It was crazy, two days later I could think properly again. Even people dealing small amounts fucken make it known the stuff is not tollerated. it affects uni and work performance even if people argue it doesnt, I recon its the same as drinking in terms of memory impairment etc. you stop drinking and your memory returns. I noticed that personally.
The other thing is dogs on leads fucken sickof dogs coming up.to me. He wont bite. Well if he does I m gonna lay the boot in. fucken how do I know if hes going to bite or not,?
No! I absolutely agree with all drugs being completely outlawed, I have a nephew who comes home from work to his bong room and that is where he stays till the weekend is over....he is a mechanic and it seems that all those he works with him are on it as well..... I am rather sick of people who take their dogs and kids to cafe's, and I love dogs and kids... but not near my food..no one can trust any dog that much, or bear a child screaming in your ear as you try to sip you espresso :)...as I found out just recently at my local cafe...with an incident involving a dog and kid and a chip....it didn't end well for any of them...or me...I needed to get home to my dog and grown up kids for a break...

Since: Dec 10

Glandore, Australia

#105507 Apr 25, 2013
Larry Meber wrote:
What part of "shall not be infringed" are you having a problem with, son?
The time period in history it was meant to relate to...

Since: Dec 10

Glandore, Australia

#105508 Apr 25, 2013
Just wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
The most brutal and grotesque violence we have seen since WW2 came from the Bush White House ... over a million people dead, maimed, wounded or displaced!
Yes, and I wish more people would see it like you do and maybe we would stop these tyrants from trying to impose their rules and their ignorance on those that are in their line of sight.:)

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#105509 Apr 25, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
The time period in history it was meant to relate to...
So the First Amendment therefore doesn't apply to tv, the radio, magazines, and the web right ?

Since: Dec 10

Glandore, Australia

#105510 Apr 25, 2013
Tray wrote:
NEW YORK (CBSNewYork)— Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s food police have struck again!
Outlawed are food donations to homeless shelters because the city can’t assess their salt, fat and fiber content, reports CBS 2’s Marcia Kramer.
Glenn Richter arrived at a West Side synagogue on Monday to collect surplus bagels — fresh nutritious bagels — to donate to the poor. However, under a new edict from Bloomberg’s food police he can no longer donate the food to city homeless shelters...... Sometimes laws make things worse. The road to Hell is paved with "good intentions".
Americans are a crazy lot.

Since: Dec 10

Glandore, Australia

#105511 Apr 25, 2013
Teaman wrote:
<quoted text>
If you're into golf, an Australian won the Masters this year.
Cheers Teaman, I saw that....it was a good win for him but it is not about beating the Americans in a fair fight, it is about beating them when they are in charge and change the rules so they remain on top simply because they can, Aussies love a good challenge but they love a dare more....and that is why the America's cup win was good, because it showed us even if you are willing to cheat,it that doesn't necessarily mean you will always win. We won against all odds...that's what makes that win so special to us....the moral of the story. we love to support the battler...In the America's cup it was everyone but America...so I was rooting for any number of them to win... It was just our lucky day I guess.:)

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