It's the Guns, Stupid

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“And that's the end of the issue”

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Larry

Australia

#105296 Apr 23, 2013
ahomoron wrote:
<quoted text>British people are just rotten to the core because of guns we free from british you are oppressed by british system that's why you got no bill of rights your freedom is restricted and your are unarmed victim
mate I m back. I just took a shit that was like my fist in diameter and about a foot long. Man that felt good. It just kept coming and coming wow, record load! We are in way at all oppressed by the British Lol. We like our country, we are grateful of our British roots the well off skilled free settlers. Why would we want to change? We are conscious of overpopulation, the environment and air pollution, we dont want guns and we like to retain all the positive elements that can be found in Australia. We might seem old fashioned, but we dont want to stuff the place. All people from the Anglo sphere of good nature are welcome. Have you heard of princess mary of Denmark? Yeah, shes ours. Dick smith? Hes ours too. David attenborough? I dont know why we just like that man lol we like nature documentories. Correction, I do. Lol
Larry

Australia

#105297 Apr 23, 2013
We are in no way oppressed by the British was what I meant to say. Most people embrace their British roots. Cheerio for real now mate, I ve got a piss to take. Coming out all ends!
obama

Australia

#105298 Apr 23, 2013
are spanish,germans,polish,mexican s,africans,irish,italians,puer to ricans,french welcomed to live in australia?
guns are awesome

Pioneer, CA

#105299 Apr 23, 2013
Larry wrote:
We are in no way oppressed by the British was what I meant to say. Most people embrace their British roots. Cheerio for real now mate, I ve got a piss to take. Coming out all ends!
only small percentage of americans have british roots most americans have roots in other countrys
Larry

Australia

#105300 Apr 23, 2013
Back again, yes we like to stay as an easy going evironmentally conscious magority western nation that is against violence and radical religion. Two things guns and radical religion we don't believe in. Our women also do not go on about big penises like your women seem to for some reason. In Australia women don't care for large penises, they realise there is more to a man than his penis. Thats why we have women like princess Mary of Denmark, our Aussie role model behaving in a very digmified manner. you don t see people like her talking about penises. Men in Australia don t have to have enormous penis, just a good friendly attitude and Australian girls dont care about the rest. We in Australia don t like breast implants either. There is a lot of things we dont appreciate. Obsessing over penis size is something we dont do.
Teaman

Mount Holly, NJ

#105301 Apr 23, 2013
ahomoron wrote:
<quoted text>British people are just rotten to the core because of guns we free from british you are oppressed by british system that's why you got no bill of rights your freedom is restricted and your are unarmed victim
Your accent came through with that one.
Larry

Australia

#105302 Apr 23, 2013
obama wrote:
are spanish,germans,polish,mexican s,africans,irish,italians,puer to ricans,french welcomed to live in australia?

I don't know mate, I dont think so. We tried a few from Africa, but they ended up in a brawl, I don' t think our natives like them for some reason. So we tried a few but it didn' t work aye.

The Westerers know they are welcome if they are of good character, but no gun nuts. We let in some others but only a small amount of good chatacter , that way things work better, social cohesion.
Larry

Australia

#105304 Apr 23, 2013
I dont see any benifits to excess non Western migrants. Some of them are pretty different to us and just cause problems, so we don't want that aye. You guys cant even say the word black aye?

We are not going to disrespect our British heritage by becoming a place of opposing religions etc Thats just a foreseeable disaster. They can practice all that stuff in their own country, we don t have strong religious beliefs.
Also we dont want a big population because of environmental concerns and congestion in cities and on transport.

British, Danes , Germans Dutch, Irish, French etc shouldt be a problem if they are of good Chatacter.
Larry

Australia

#105305 Apr 23, 2013
Teaman wrote:
<quoted text>
Your accent came through with that one.
Aussies and Americans are awesome.
GoGoBar

Thailand

#105306 Apr 23, 2013
These statistics arent so suprising when you remember that the British debt-gdp and inequality is the same as the USA.
Just look at the HDi adjusted for inequality.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countrie...

The rate of violent crime is economical, but the rate of murder is definately gun driven in Advanced Industrialised Nations.

Rates of Violent Crime

USA 2250/100K
UK 2050/100K
Aust 1050/100/K

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv11.pdf

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/crime-stats/cri ...

http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/current%20 ...

The USA has a slightly higher rate of sexual assault due to use of firearms(3%) which equals 7500 gun rapes per year
Tray

Saltillo, MS

#105307 Apr 23, 2013
Larry wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't know mate, I dont think so. We tried a few from Africa, but they ended up in a brawl, I don' t think our natives like them for some reason. So we tried a few but it didn' t work aye.
The Westerers know they are welcome if they are of good character, but no gun nuts. We let in some others but only a small amount of good chatacter , that way things work better, social cohesion.
If Australians are of such "good character" then why do you need laws that limit your freedoms? A people of "good character" don't need to have items removed from them by force because they are of "good character". It would be more logical to deduce that anti gun laws were passed because you had so many of "bad character" who were misusing them.
Informed Source

Ashland, KY

#105308 Apr 23, 2013
You can't hardly find in ammo in Kentucky right now.
Teaman

Mount Holly, NJ

#105309 Apr 23, 2013
Larry wrote:
<quoted text>
Aussies and Americans are awesome.
LOL, yea, we are.:-)
spocko

Oakland, CA

#105310 Apr 23, 2013
GoGoBar is a Pedophile wrote:
Some have built houses in villages close to the border with Burma and regularly bring children across for sex parties. Others are involved in private clubs in Chiang Mai where children are freely available. A charitable organisation in Chiang Mai founded ostensibly to help poor hill tribe families is known to recruit children for prostitution.
"It's very easy for foreign pedophiles to operate here," said Sompob Jantraka, director of the Development Education Centre for Daughters and Communities, a charity that helps rehabilitate victims of child abuse. "If they get into trouble it is also very easy for them to buy their way out."
The arrest in April of businessman David Arthur, formerly of NSW, has highlighted the involvement of known Australian sex offenders in the area. Arthur, who ran a computer business in Chiang Mai for several years, was detained after the Australian Federal Police alerted Thai police that he had convictions for possessing child pornography and indecently dealing with minors.
Convicted and fined in Australia for harbouring three illegal immigrants - including an 18-year-old hill tribe youth he claims to have "adopted" - Arthur insists he has been set up.
In the cramped police lock-up where he is awaiting deportation to Australia, the 47-year-old claims the problem of child sex abuse in Chiang Mai is exaggerated by the media and law enforcement agencies. "A huge proportion of tourists coming to Thailand are single men who come here to get laid and to get laid cheap. Of course, some of them will be child sex offenders," he says.
A respected Western businessman who has lived in Chiang Mai for several years and asked not to be identified says there are "at least six Australian pedophiles" living in the area and many passing through.
"There's an Australian farmer who comes in on holidays and gets all the little boys and takes them out of town, three or four at a time," he said. "One time there was an ex-ASIO guy. He was a high-ranking guy and he was into very little kids."
In a popular nightclub on the outskirts of Chiang Mai, a well-known British pedophile and long-time local resident boasts about smuggling children from Burma for parties where as many as 100 foreign men are bussed in by special invitation. "You can have anything you want. They are beautiful kids and they all know me," the man tells this anonymous stranger.
"It's no problem. You can bring them across on a day pass - pay the guards a few bucks."
Sarah's friend Aimee is 14 years old. Two years ago an American in his early 30s called Bill took her on a tour of Thailand, during which she was repeatedly raped. Bill promised Aimee's parents money, but after two weeks he dumped her and fled the country without paying.
According to welfare workers, the deal was brokered by a foundation that claims to provide vocational training for hill tribe children, but is well known as a front for recruiting child prostitutes. Last week Bill was back in town. On a balmy evening he sat in the forecourt of the centre, a toddler on one knee and two girls aged six or seven playfully climbing over him. At a nearby table, two couples, the children's parents, sat morosely sipping cans of soft drink.
Somphob Jantraka despairs. "If you have the money it is easy to get children. The parents in these border villages are poor. Many are drug addicts with debts. They are desperate for money."
He says the activities of Western pedophiles are part of a much bigger crisis of sexual abuse in which thousands of children are trafficked each year from Burma, Laos and China to the brothels of Thailand. Many are discarded after a few years once their youth has faded.
"Thailand is a safe and very friendly place for everyone," he said. "We have made it so easy for the people who want to abuse our country and exploit our children."
We humans are a lovely bunch of misfits and botched creatures built in the image of God – eh!?
spocko

Oakland, CA

#105311 Apr 23, 2013
The times they are changin’
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#105312 Apr 23, 2013
ahomoron wrote:
<quoted text>you dont't want war cause you can't shoot back idiot only die
Yeah that would be the reason!....Dumb troll!...War interrupts trade, it causes mass carnage and damage....who would walk into the home they spent years, blood sweat and tears and money to attain....and then start shooting their family and busting up the place...an idiot like you perhaps....If you are a Christian...then EVERYONE is your brother and that means you don't kill your brother, the non religious strive for equality for all so they don't want war....and morons like you are the scum causing all the trouble from all sides through your greed and stupidity. Sharing is the key....
sid

Brisbane, Australia

#105313 Apr 23, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> If Australians are of such "good character" then why do you need laws that limit your freedoms? A people of "good character" don't need to have items removed from them by force because they are of "good character". It would be more logical to deduce that anti gun laws were passed because you had so many of "bad character" who were misusing them.
You contradict your own stance on guns with this statement, we take guns off people so they can't use them because human nature is such that until man can govern himself he must be governed.

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#105314 Apr 23, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> If Australians are of such "good character" then why do you need laws that limit your freedoms? A people of "good character" don't need to have items removed from them by force because they are of "good character". It would be more logical to deduce that anti gun laws were passed because you had so many of "bad character" who were misusing them.
Same reason why you have them to inform people that if they are not considerate of others there is a penalty...often all need to be reminded of that....if you think that people are naturally decent to one another, go to a car parks at the after a football match after church service or a busy shopping center were there are no speed limits or rules, then watch the circus as they race each other to get home....dolt.

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#105315 Apr 23, 2013
ahomoron wrote:
America will continue to rule the world and australians will sit and complain on the sidelines like good little peasants and they can bitch all they want
Americans have always been full of themselves, like the difference between Canada and America during a crisis....America after the boston bombing which their intelligence missed even though they were given a heads up two years previously....finally caught the alledged bomber...they then lined up everyone in the town and around the country on the mike and patted each other on the back...arseholes.....Canada foils...that means stops an attack that could have killed thousands and you get one person for a few minutes who thank everyone, classy....now I don't think anyone should get a pat on the back for doing their job....but if their is a right way or a wrong way...Canada wins my vote....America was just big and brash and tacky as always....too young and stupid I suppose.
Tray

Saltillo, MS

#105316 Apr 23, 2013
sid wrote:
<quoted text>
You contradict your own stance on guns with this statement, we take guns off people so they can't use them because human nature is such that until man can govern himself he must be governed.
I didn't say it worked. You projected Australians were of "better character" because you banned guns, which contradicts the term "of good character". If you must forced to not misuse a simple tool then their is no "good character". It would seem it's you that contradicted yourself.

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