It's the Guns, Stupid

It's the Guns, Stupid

There are 103299 comments on the Truthdig story from Apr 20, 2007, titled It's the Guns, Stupid. In it, Truthdig reports that:

“And that's the end of the issue”

Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

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spocko

Oakland, CA

#104097 Apr 11, 2013
DavidQ762 wrote:
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The historical results of 'gun control'
Every genocide in modern history has started with gun registration, followed by confiscation, followed by genocide.
1911: Turkey established gun control. From 1915-1917, 1.5 million Christian Armenians rounded up and exterminated.
1929: The Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929-1953, 20+ million dissidents rounded up and murdered.
1935: China established gun control. From 1948-1952, 20+ million political dissidents rounded up and exterminated.
1938: Germany established gun control. From 1939-1945, 13 million Jews and others rounded up and exterminated.
1964: Guatemala established gun control. From 1981-1984, 100,000 Mayan Indians rounded up and exterminated.
1970: Uganda established gun control. From 1971-1979, 300,000 Christians rounded up and exterminated.
1956: Cambodia established gun control. From 1975-1977, 1 million educated people rounded up and exterminated.
In the 20th Century more than 56 million defenseless people were rounded up and exterminated by people using gun control.
You forgot one more important aspect of your freak-show, every genocide in modern history has started with a ham sandwich! Your logic says nothing and proofs nothing - ye moron!
Tray

Plantersville, MS

#104098 Apr 11, 2013
spocko wrote:
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For some infantile reason gun advocates think that the right to bear arms is the only constitutional right that is virtually written in stone and without limit. You have the right to practice your religion, but not if your religion involves human sacrifice. You have the right to free speech, but you can still be prosecuted for incitement or conspiracy, and you can be sued for libel. Every right is subject to limitation when it begins to threaten others, and the Supreme Court has affirmed that even though there is an individual right to gun ownership, the government can put reasonable restrictions on that right.
As we've all seen, if a shooter turns out to have a Muslim name, the NRA will be more than happy to give up all kinds of rights in the name of fighting terrorism. Have the government read my email? Have my cell phone company turn over my call records? Check which books I'm taking out of the library? Make me take my shoes off before getting on a plane, just because some idiot tried to blow up his sneakers? Sure, do what you've got to do. But don't make it harder to buy thousands of rounds of ammunition, because if we couldn't do that we'd no longer be free – what a crock!
Your usual lie. There is no right to murder. Trying to link the two is a flat out lie. Yes the government infringes on your rights daily but it's up to you to protect your rights. In case you missed history 101 you are free because guns won your freedom from a dictator, just as they have for over 200 years around the world. DUH. What and idiot you are.
Tray

Plantersville, MS

#104100 Apr 11, 2013
spocko wrote:
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You forgot one more important aspect of your freak-show, every genocide in modern history has started with a ham sandwich! Your logic says nothing and proofs nothing - ye moron!
Then dispute those facts with facts. Opps I forgot you are an idiot.
AnnAgain

Oakland, CA

#104101 Apr 11, 2013
DavidQ762 wrote:
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So then, YOU are an admitted advocate of GENOCIDE.
The historical results of 'gun control'
Every genocide in modern history has started with gun registration, followed by confiscation, followed by genocide.
1911: Turkey established gun control. From 1915-1917, 1.5 million Christian Armenians rounded up and exterminated.
1929: The Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929-1953, 20+ million dissidents rounded up and murdered.
1935: China established gun control. From 1948-1952, 20+ million political dissidents rounded up and exterminated.
1938: Germany established gun control. From 1939-1945, 13 million Jews and others rounded up and exterminated.
1964: Guatemala established gun control. From 1981-1984, 100,000 Mayan Indians rounded up and exterminated.
1970: Uganda established gun control. From 1971-1979, 300,000 Christians rounded up and exterminated.
1956: Cambodia established gun control. From 1975-1977, 1 million educated people rounded up and exterminated.
In the 20th Century more than 56 million defenseless people were rounded up and exterminated by people using gun control.
What will the gun-loons come up with next?
Those who employ the argument that gun control causes genocide should be aware of several things. First, they share such loony beliefs with Neo-Nazi and White Supremacist groups. To make things even weirder, many such groups who claim gun control leads to genocide will also tell you the Holocaust was a myth. These are your moronic ideological brethren.

Second, next time you're at a gunshow – be sure to look for the vendors selling Nazi memorabilia. Now think about it; gun-loons want you to believe they're all about preventing genocides – but why do they have such great fondness for a regime that killed 6 million.

Third, do really think it is coincidence that gun-loons also tend to be racist, anti-gay and against most civil liberties?

It's simply an obscene argument, in fact, it’s not an argument it’s a freak-show. It's factually and historically false. But the really grotesque aspect is that in claiming gun control leads to genocides is the implication the victims are to blame. It's not far removed from those who would claim a girl kind of deserved rape because she was wearing a short skirt or a tight blouse. But, with genocides, we are talking about thousands, millions of victims who are used as cynically as pawns.

If one requires evidence, one should note the vast majority of Jewish groups support gun control. In fact, the NRA lists many of these Jewish groups and organizations as "enemies."

“" BITE ME "”

Since: Dec 10

Olney township

#104102 Apr 11, 2013
spocko wrote:
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You forgot one more important aspect of your freak-show, every genocide in modern history has started with a ham sandwich! Your logic says nothing and proofs nothing - ye moron!
Well now, Spocko...

It proves one thing, he is a moron.

Repeats himself frequently too, yet another troubling sign of mental instability.

**Notice the lack of twenty first century Democratic Republics on his list?
Tray

Plantersville, MS

#104103 Apr 11, 2013
spocko wrote:
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This is how freaking insane Americans are about guns – they are on a buying binge.
Police departments are having a difficult time getting the necessary ammunition for officer’s handguns, shotguns and especially rifles. With the delay in ammunition, some departments are limiting the number of rounds they carry in their handgun because of the shortage of ammunition. We get to the point where it is difficult to have enough ammo to train and also equip the officers. Several police departments are getting desperate. Right now, a lot of smaller police departments have been forced to paying retail prices for ammunition, because they cannot get it through their suppliers.
In case you missed it. Guns and ammo are made by citizens, not the government. Many companies are already refusing to sell to government entities that infringe on citizens rights. I guess the secret service will need rocks and sharp sticks. I guess Obama didn't think that one out very well. DUH, did you think the gun companies and the citizens who own them would just become lay down? Sleep well tonight, your local police may have to protect you with begging criminals not to kill you.

“" BITE ME "”

Since: Dec 10

Olney township

#104104 Apr 11, 2013
AnnAgain wrote:
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What will the gun-loons come up with next?
Those who employ the argument that gun control causes genocide should be aware of several things. First, they share such loony beliefs with Neo-Nazi and White Supremacist groups. To make things even weirder, many such groups who claim gun control leads to genocide will also tell you the Holocaust was a myth. These are your moronic ideological brethren.
Second, next time you're at a gunshow – be sure to look for the vendors selling Nazi memorabilia. Now think about it; gun-loons want you to believe they're all about preventing genocides – but why do they have such great fondness for a regime that killed 6 million.
Third, do really think it is coincidence that gun-loons also tend to be racist, anti-gay and against most civil liberties?
It's simply an obscene argument, in fact, it’s not an argument it’s a freak-show. It's factually and historically false. But the really grotesque aspect is that in claiming gun control leads to genocides is the implication the victims are to blame. It's not far removed from those who would claim a girl kind of deserved rape because she was wearing a short skirt or a tight blouse. But, with genocides, we are talking about thousands, millions of victims who are used as cynically as pawns.
If one requires evidence, one should note the vast majority of Jewish groups support gun control. In fact, the NRA lists many of these Jewish groups and organizations as "enemies."
I entirely agree.
Law abiding American

Minneapolis, MN

#104105 Apr 11, 2013
amazed wrote:
Some idiotic nra member said it wouldnt have happened if all the students had guns. Try tell me that aint brainless.
Stay in Australia!!!!!!
You stay there, and I promise to stay here.......
Tray

Plantersville, MS

#104106 Apr 11, 2013
AnnAgain wrote:
<quoted text>
What will the gun-loons come up with next?
Those who employ the argument that gun control causes genocide should be aware of several things. First, they share such loony beliefs with Neo-Nazi and White Supremacist groups. To make things even weirder, many such groups who claim gun control leads to genocide will also tell you the Holocaust was a myth. These are your moronic ideological brethren.
Second, next time you're at a gunshow – be sure to look for the vendors selling Nazi memorabilia. Now think about it; gun-loons want you to believe they're all about preventing genocides – but why do they have such great fondness for a regime that killed 6 million.
Third, do really think it is coincidence that gun-loons also tend to be racist, anti-gay and against most civil liberties?
It's simply an obscene argument, in fact, it’s not an argument it’s a freak-show. It's factually and historically false. But the really grotesque aspect is that in claiming gun control leads to genocides is the implication the victims are to blame. It's not far removed from those who would claim a girl kind of deserved rape because she was wearing a short skirt or a tight blouse. But, with genocides, we are talking about thousands, millions of victims who are used as cynically as pawns.
If one requires evidence, one should note the vast majority of Jewish groups support gun control. In fact, the NRA lists many of these Jewish groups and organizations as "enemies."
Gun owners are also, doctors, lawyers, judges, nurses, store owners, car salesmen, clergy, housewives, mayors, senators, EX police, governors, ex presidents and vice presidents. In fact Dr. martin Luther King was a gun owner. Hmm maybe you are the one who is labeling others and hating different groups that you know nothing about. Point your crooked little finger at yourself.
Tray

Plantersville, MS

#104107 Apr 11, 2013
Empathica wrote:
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You got it.
NO Right is absolute.
They're IGNORANT to the epidemic of gun violence. SELFISH, for failing to recognize it for what it is and LAZY for refusing to do one damn thing to stop it.
Gun violence? Show me one gun arrested for violence. Violence and murder was around long before guns and exist even where guns are banned. Your post just makes you look like an idiot.
Tray

Plantersville, MS

#104108 Apr 11, 2013
Empathica wrote:
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Well now, Spocko...
It proves one thing, he is a moron.
Repeats himself frequently too, yet another troubling sign of mental instability.
**Notice the lack of twenty first century Democratic Republics on his list?
Notice the anti-rights crowd (please include yourself) keep repeating the same old PROVEN lies. Hmmm I think you have diagnosed yourself, good job.

“" BITE ME "”

Since: Dec 10

Olney township

#104109 Apr 11, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text>Gun violence? Show me one gun arrested for violence. Violence and murder was around long before guns and exist even where guns are banned. Your post just makes you look like an idiot.
Still blowing anagrammatic, childish bullshit Tray?
spocko

Oakland, CA

#104110 Apr 11, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> In case you missed it. Guns and ammo are made by citizens, not the government. Many companies are already refusing to sell to government entities that infringe on citizens rights. I guess the secret service will need rocks and sharp sticks. I guess Obama didn't think that one out very well. DUH, did you think the gun companies and the citizens who own them would just become lay down? Sleep well tonight, your local police may have to protect you with begging criminals not to kill you.
That hooch getting to you again Forrest?
spocko

Oakland, CA

#104111 Apr 11, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> Gun owners are also, doctors, lawyers, judges, nurses, store owners, car salesmen, clergy, housewives, mayors, senators, EX police, governors, ex presidents and vice presidents. In fact Dr. martin Luther King was a gun owner. Hmm maybe you are the one who is labeling others and hating different groups that you know nothing about. Point your crooked little finger at yourself.
What is your point moron? I'm a gun owner, my neighbors are gun owners what we are not is freaking gun-loons! What is your point - that your mentally challenged perhaps?
Tray

Plantersville, MS

#104113 Apr 11, 2013
Empathica wrote:
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Still blowing anagrammatic, childish bullshit Tray?
Then back up your bull and show me that gun arrested for murder.
Tray

Plantersville, MS

#104114 Apr 11, 2013
spocko wrote:
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That hooch getting to you again Forrest?
Hmmm, what part of that is a reasonable answer in a debate? Oh wait that worked in first grade on the playground. Loser.
Tray

Plantersville, MS

#104117 Apr 11, 2013
spocko wrote:
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What is your point moron? I'm a gun owner, my neighbors are gun owners what we are not is freaking gun-loons! What is your point - that your mentally challenged perhaps?
Hmmm. Do you have the all seeing eye to know one from another? Or is it just your personal opinion on who to hate? Any other groups you feel are below you? Maybe you feel some people don't have a right to think for themselves or to exist in your world. You know the term for that don't you? Please diagnose yourself and feel free to take the proper drug for your condition. Failure!
Tray

Plantersville, MS

#104118 Apr 11, 2013
spocko wrote:
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That hooch getting to you again Forrest?
http://www.conservativedailyne ws.com/2013/02/good-news-folks /
Tray

Plantersville, MS

#104120 Apr 11, 2013

“" BITE ME "”

Since: Dec 10

Olney township

#104123 Apr 11, 2013
DavidQ762 wrote:
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Union of Soviet Socialist >Republics<
People's >Republic< of China
"Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide."-- John Adams, April 15, 1814 letter to John Taylor.
You freaks really are ignorant.
Tell you what Spanky,

Why don't you heed Mr. Adams' words of wisdom, get out now and we'll keep you posted on our progress.

I'll miss laughing at you though.

You and the nitwit Tray make an hilarious tag team.

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