It's the Guns, Stupid

It's the Guns, Stupid

There are 103299 comments on the Truthdig story from Apr 20, 2007, titled It's the Guns, Stupid. In it, Truthdig reports that:

“And that's the end of the issue”

Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

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Since: Dec 10

North Adelaide, Australia

#103439 Apr 3, 2013
DavidQ762 wrote:
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How very true, and eloquently stated!
Now who is the BITCH AGAIN?...seems to me it is you and your other retarded bum buddy....go to what you men do best and root your livestock, while the women take care of bussiness....
Tm Clmns

Victoria, Canada

#103440 Apr 4, 2013
DavidQ762 wrote:
"No kingdom can be secured otherwise than by arming the people. The possession of arms is the distinction between a freeman and a slave. He, who has nothing, and who himself belongs to another, must be defended by him, whose property he is, and needs no arms. But he, who thinks he is his own master, and has what he can call his own, ought to have arms to defend himself, and what he possesses; else he lives precariously, and at discretion. And though for a while, those, who have the sword in their power, abstain from doing him injury, yet by degrees he will be awed."--James Burgh, Political Disquisitions: Or, an Enquiry into Public Errors, 1775.
"The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand, arms, like laws, discourage and keep the invader and the plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside...horrid mischief would ensue were one half the world deprived of the use of them."--Thomas Paine, Thoughts On Defensive War, 1775.
You are deluded if you think your arms can protect you from tyranny. The nature of weapons that would be used against you for suppression, would make your guns look like plastic toys.
However, enjoy your false sense of security. I think that's why the"they" let you keep them..plus you keep supporting & voting for those who would ultimately enslave you. Fortunately the recent majority are smarter than you.
Uncle tom beady

Chermside, Australia

#103443 Apr 4, 2013
DavidQ762 wrote:
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Take a hike, DOLT. Just because you Australians emasculated yourselves. Doesn't mean that we Americans are going to follow your moronic example.
Take a look at what Australian Police have tyo say about their ban:
American Gun Control - The Push To Disarm Americans
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =itthVyjHW9QXX
(Excellent interviews with Australian Police about their gun ban).
Ha ha, love it " emasculated " because I don't have a gun, sounds like your guns are a substitute for a dick.
FYI

Denver, CO

#103445 Apr 4, 2013
Sebastian wrote:
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BEADY, you homo paedo, you are the one who MUST leave TOPIX as you have nothing to contribute in this international GLOBAL world. Fook off into you caca AFRICACALAND Hole ASAP. I know your grand dada Robert Mugabe will not allow an homo paedo like you in his country. He hates people like you as he has no time for you benders......
We need to stick the gun up YOURS and blast some amunitions!!!!!!!
There is some needed help here!! Suggestions?? Be well my friend, Oh well, Regards

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#103446 Apr 4, 2013
Isn't it hilarious that when the libturds can't come back with a response of any substance, they come back with the old tried and sad ad hominem penis attack. LMAO!!!(Straight out of the libturd playbook.)
Spocko

Oakland, CA

#103447 Apr 4, 2013
DavidQ762 wrote:
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Not quite DOLT. The problems we are have both then and now can directly be traced to the destruction of the Glass–Steagall Act by our perverse government.
Take a hike, DOLT.
The Glass–Steagall Act was repealed through the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act in 1999 (GLBA). The S&L crisis happened more than ten years before that – yea moron!
The total cost for resolving the S&L with a bailout by Roland Reagan was $87.9 billion.

Since: Dec 10

North Adelaide, Australia

#103451 Apr 4, 2013
Teaman wrote:
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The US also had safe banking practices. That is the point. It was the government that [forced] banks to abandon them under the Communities Reinvestment Act in order to enable low income people to own homes. There were groups like ACORN that were demonstrating in front of banks accusing them of being racist. Incidents like that caused the Communities Reinvestment Act to be passed by congress.
Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are two mortgage companies that were created by the government and are still government sponsored. They bought these toxic mortgages and passed them onto Wall St. It was people in congress that prevented the regulation of these two companies. These same people were receiving good deals from predatory lenders. Liars like Barney Frank were reassuring the public the two government mortgage companies were sound.
Yea, I blame government, both parties. They went well beyond regulation, or lack thereof, and took part in manipulating the market.
What you have stated is only partly true Teaman, the part where the government introduced a law to help those on lower wages to get a home.....the truth is they did it with good intent.....it was the lending companies along with the banks, that defrauded the government and the people by falsifying the borrowers financial records for their own greed...The government wasn't a part of the corruption that took place nor can or should they be held accountable, that blame lies solely with the lenders that participated in a scam to rip off the government and therefore the people.

Since: Dec 10

North Adelaide, Australia

#103452 Apr 4, 2013
R-12 Freon wrote:
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Maybe in AU, but here in the good 'ol USA We have a large segment of sorrowful blacks. Almost 50% of those, 17 or younger drop out of school. close to 70% of blacks under 30 have a felony criminal record. The black gang problem speaks for itself.
Along with that we also have unsecured border's where not only poor and desperate illegals come by the millions but also mexican drug cartels and those other than mexicans that enter illegally from 35 different countries that are considered hostile to America.
How about a president that is trying his best to devide this country along racial lines and driving the economy into the ground as he does it.
At the time of the Los Angeles Riots I was living less than 20 miles from where it started. I was less than 2 miles away from where it stopped. I watched as law enforcement for 3 days DO NOTHING to stop it.
So there IS a need for assault weapons AND hi cap mags.
Another riot is just around the corner and it's going to make the L.A. Riots look like a peaceful demonstration and I know from past experience no one is going to protect me or my family from it.
See the government needs civil unrest. It can't sustain itself much longer and the only way they will be able to maintain control of the people and country is by force.
If you unite the people the 1% falls along with the corruption the gov't has become. If you devide the people using distraction and overload it get's to the point where common sense judgement is lost to a emotional ego and that can be controlled.
What's happening now is the result of the last 30 years of the leaders of this country bleeding it dry. Incomprehensible debt, failing middleclass and tripling of welfare and food stamps.
What do you think will happen when all the new taxes and the sequester start taking affect AND the gov't still doesn't have enough money to function. It's going to cave in on itself.
So the best way for the gov't to survive that is civil unrest.
The last thing the gov't needs is the majority of good, decent Americans arming themselves to throw All the political parties on their ass out into the street. And nothing would work better than a big ass cultural race riot, declaring Marshall Law suspending the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and Civil Liberties.
It's all right there, in front of your faces as plain as day.
I'll leave the rest up to your own imagination..........
That is all nonsense as we have a smaller population but the same criminal element....So tell me what and how you would use these assault riffles to control or limit the amount of crime?
BTW congratulations to Colorado and Connecticut, for having the strength and forsight to enact stronger gun and ammo restrictions, see yanks that is how it is done by reasonable and rational people, and they haven't violated the second amendment....you still get to keep your right to bear arms, go figure.

Since: Dec 10

North Adelaide, Australia

#103453 Apr 4, 2013
DavidQ762 wrote:
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"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the WHOLE BODY of PEOPLE always POSSESS ARMS, and be taught alike especially when young, how to use them."--Richard Henry Lee, Additional Letters From The Federal Farmer, 53 (1788).[Walter Bennett, ed., Letters from the Federal Farmer to the Republican, at 21,22,124 [Univ. of Alabama Press,1975]
"As to the speces of exercse, I advise the gun. While this gives a moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind. Games played with ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body, and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun, therefore, be the constant companion of your walks."--Thomas Jefferson, To [his young nephew] Peter Carr, i, 397.(P., 1785.).
"To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."--George Mason, June 14, 1788, in the Virginia Convention on the ratification of the Constitution,[Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution, Jonathan Elliot, ed., v.3 p.380] Mr. Mason drafted the Virgina Declaration of Rights, and was an ally of James Madison and George Washington.
We still have the opportunity to recover our freedom and liberty - you DON'T.
Are you missing a chromosome? No one in your country who want to restrict assault weapons or the amount of ammo you can use(which is 90% of the American people) is attempting to interfere with the second amendment, see the latest on the successful restrictions in Colorado and Connecticut....I think you don't want to get at a solution, you are more about you, and what you PERCEIVE to be an injustice, when nothing could be further from the truth, you just don't want to hear the truth....
sid

Chermside, Australia

#103455 Apr 4, 2013
Armed Veteran wrote:
Isn't it hilarious that when the libturds can't come back with a response of any substance, they come back with the old tried and sad ad hominem penis attack. LMAO!!!(Straight out of the libturd playbook.)
DavidQ762 wrote:“ Just because you Australians emasculated yourselves.“ maybe you don't know the meaning of the word “ emasculate “ and what it implies in relation to gun ownership, his statement, his reference, try and work it out.

Since: Dec 10

North Adelaide, Australia

#103456 Apr 4, 2013
DavidQ762 wrote:
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Not quite, DOLT. And those 'restrictions' in Colorado and Connecticut are sure to be contested in court.
It doesn't matter what >you< [supposedly]'think'. Your 'opinion' is of ZERO consequence to me.
See, you don't even acknowledge your own countrymen when they are working their butt off to find solutions to problems...you just pooh par everything even if it works because you don't want a solution, because then you would have to adjust or change in some way and oh no we couldn't have that nooooooo!...You WANT violence to control you and your towns...to destroy lives and never allow children to grow up....you are like most of your gun owning bretheren spouting fear and hate, you rely on the ignorant and you are unwilling to be a team player.

Since: Dec 10

North Adelaide, Australia

#103457 Apr 4, 2013
Armed Veteran wrote:
Isn't it hilarious that when the libturds can't come back with a response of any substance, they come back with the old tried and sad ad hominem penis attack. LMAO!!!(Straight out of the libturd playbook.)
It is reminiscent of the NRA and supporters chant (it's not the guns) they have nothing to support their argument so they chant nonsense and propaganda........yada,yada,ya da, yuk yuk.
DOWN WITH THE NRA....DOWN WITH THE NRA....DOWN WITH THE NRA......
Sir Bucking Fastard

UK

#103458 Apr 4, 2013
Armed Veteran wrote:
Isn't it hilarious that when the libturds can't come back with a response of any substance, they come back with the old tried and sad ad hominem penis attack. LMAO!!!(Straight out of the libturd playbook.)
That's because when all is said, and done, what it all boils down to for them, is a matter of sex.

It doesn't matter what the subject may be, it all boils down to sex, in one way or another. They are very sexually oriented. In fact, they find themselves unable to express themselves without resorting to one or another sexual reference.
Sir Bucking Fastard

UK

#103459 Apr 4, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
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It is reminiscent of the NRA and supporters chant (it's not the guns) they have nothing to support their argument so they chant nonsense and propaganda........yada,yada,ya da, yuk yuk.
DOWN WITH THE NRA....DOWN WITH THE NRA....DOWN WITH THE NRA......
Says the thoroughly invidious QUEEN OF STINK!
:-))
Sir Bucking Fastard

UK

#103460 Apr 4, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
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See, you don't even acknowledge your own countrymen when they are working their butt off to find solutions to problems...you just pooh par everything even if it works because you don't want a solution, because then you would have to adjust or change in some way and oh no we couldn't have that nooooooo!...You WANT violence to control you and your towns...to destroy lives and never allow children to grow up....you are like most of your gun owning bretheren spouting fear and hate, you rely on the ignorant and you are unwilling to be a team player.
"Team player."

That's code for 'go along to get along.'

How many good citizens in NAZI Germany 'went along to get along?' What happened there?

How many good citizens in Soviet Russia 'went along to get along?' What happened there?

How many good citizens in Mao's China 'went along to get along?' What happened there?

How many good citizens in Pol Pot's Cambodia 'went along to get along?' What happened there?
Sir Bucking Fastard

UK

#103461 Apr 4, 2013
sid wrote:
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DavidQ762 wrote:“ Just because you Australians emasculated yourselves.“ maybe you don't know the meaning of the word “ emasculate “ and what it implies in relation to gun ownership, his statement, his reference, try and work it out.
READ: I can't refute 'DavidQ762's' statements, so I'm going to attack him with ad hominem instead.

Since: Dec 10

North Adelaide, Australia

#103463 Apr 4, 2013
Sir Bucking Fastard wrote:
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Says the thoroughly invidious QUEEN OF STINK!
:-))
From the guy that still suckles from his mothers boob and is allowed to play with her pink bits.:D

Since: Dec 10

North Adelaide, Australia

#103466 Apr 4, 2013
Sir Bucking Fastard wrote:
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"Team player."
That's code for 'go along to get along.'
How many good citizens in NAZI Germany 'went along to get along?' What happened there?
How many good citizens in Soviet Russia 'went along to get along?' What happened there?
How many good citizens in Mao's China 'went along to get along?' What happened there?
How many good citizens in Pol Pot's Cambodia 'went along to get along?' What happened there?
Why are you so obsessed with what goes on in the past in other countries when your country is in crisis mode now....ie you are broke and have too many guns that you don't need...have you thought if you spent half as much time concentrating on fixing those problems as worrying about things that are never going to happen....things might actually improve and some Americans might get to live longer by not being shot.....Take care of your own problems before you worry about others you are in dire need....now Australians on the other hand can worry about the rest of the world because we are in great shape financially, restrictive gun laws...we have created time...time to play, to be involved and to impart our success story to those who are smart enough to heed the message....

Since: Dec 10

North Adelaide, Australia

#103467 Apr 4, 2013
DavidQ762 wrote:
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Hey SBF! How are you doing?
LOL/ I think he is what you mean as a sycophant or boot licker....
Sir Bucking Fastard

UK

#103468 Apr 4, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
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From the guy that still suckles from his mothers boob and is allowed to play with her pink bits.:D
See? Just what I said earlier: YOU can't express yourself without resorting to one or another sexual reference.

Thanks for proving me right yet again, oh invidious QUEEN OF STINK!

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