It's the Guns, Stupid

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“And that's the end of the issue”

Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

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Bangkok, Thailand

#103244 Mar 28, 2013
Americans are Jealous of NK because they are the only country in the world with a higher rate of imprisonment.

“REFUSE ALL IMITATIONS!!”

Since: Jan 11

Essendon, Australia

#103245 Mar 28, 2013
THAT'S IT FOLKS!!

If you have any guns that you shouldn't have just hand them over to the Police. As a trusted agency they will keep the community safe!:)

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MalbarCACA Controllers

UK

#103246 Mar 28, 2013
The ADELAIDEAN wrote:
THAT'S IT FOLKS!!
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Since: Feb 11

Ely, UK

#103248 Mar 28, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
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you would be a lot closer to the mark if you clocked yourself as a die hard hillbilly gun toting lunatic.:)
Oooooooohh,,,I was spot on with my remark regarding you Pet, are you not the one who trys to tell others how they should live ? are you not the one who pokes her nose into the affairs of another country ? all on a personel level.
Tray

Oxford, MS

#103249 Mar 29, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
It has to do with the fact that you (Americans) went to war with Iraq based on lies, that Husien was involved in 911 and that he had WMDs not for any other reason, and yet you have conveniently forgotten that simple fact, why? because rather than face the truth that your government lied you and all that damage and loss of lives was preventable, you cover those lies, with more lies..It seems the American government and it's people have learnt nothing here so it can and will be repeated in any country of their choosing. If, America went to war with every country that committed genocide, or refused to trade with any country that brutalised or oppressed it's people, you would be broke, the point is they don't and didn't so why not? and why Irag? they are the questions a person looking for answers would be asking themselves, not making excuses to justify an unjustifiable war based on lies.
You are the liar. I just pointed out the lies. Saddam started the first war FACT. Saddam violated several terms of the treaty that stopped the first war FACT. The UN, not the U.S. made the decision to resume the war FACT. These are the facts, your little rant is just a rant and nothing else. You are still a pitiful failure and a proven liar.

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#103250 Mar 29, 2013
spider1954 wrote:
<quoted text>
Oooooooohh,,,I was spot on with my remark regarding you Pet, are you not the one who trys to tell others how they should live ? are you not the one who pokes her nose into the affairs of another country ? all on a personel level.
Not at all I am the one that is showing you that you can have it both ways if you have the ability to see reason and show restraint ....If I was telling you how to live I would be encouraging the government to give you gun owning, NRA supporting nutters Labotomies instead of a background check.:D
Adam

Sydney, Australia

#103251 Mar 29, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah hrmmmph! that is what they said about a lone American voice shouting that the yanks had no proof of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and that Husien had nothing to do with 911, and you dicks shouted him down and called him a traitor,he was proved right though wasn't he and you knobs just look stupid....Soooooo, just because everyone believes it to be right does not necessarily mean that it is right eh! knucklehead. I am always right you are just too stupid to know it till it stares you in the face.....
Fair enough, but saddam was a bloody idiot for not allowing the weapons inspectors to go about their work, had he done so it might have averted the war & saved his life!
Tray

Oxford, MS

#103252 Mar 29, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
Not at all I am the one that is showing you that you can have it both ways if you have the ability to see reason and show restraint ....If I was telling you how to live I would be encouraging the government to give you gun owning, NRA supporting nutters Labotomies instead of a background check.:D
If you are trying to sell your way of life as being better then why do you use lies to do it? If your side of the debate has such a firm historical record then why do you need lies? Almost ever point made to you is either ignored, replied to with a degrading sexual remark or just an out right proven lie. Most on here consider you a raving lunatic (even the liberal anti-gun crowd). It's bad when even the crazies consider you crazy.

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#103253 Mar 29, 2013
Adam wrote:
<quoted text>Fair enough, but saddam was a bloody idiot for not allowing the weapons inspectors to go about their work, had he done so it might have averted the war & saved his life!
Yes he was an idiot and a despot though in saying that, that was not what the cause was that got his country attacked it was the lies told by America because they wanted to control gain control of the Iraqi government and save the yankee dollar...

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#103254 Mar 29, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text>
If you are trying to sell your way of life as being better then why do you use lies to do it?
If your side of the debate has such a firm historical record then why do you need lies?
A: I unlike you do not need to lie, the truth is more compelling.
Almost ever point made to you is either ignored, replied to with a degrading sexual remark or just an out right proven lie.
A: I never ignore your point I just don't respond to a point if it is idiotic, which in most cases it is ....it is illogical to believe you need assault weapons, yet I find those who fear the loss of all their guns irrational enough to support any lengths to keep them, that is just insane. And note I have never ever made a degrading sexual remark to someone unless they have done so first, ever!
Most on here consider you a raving lunatic (even the liberal anti-gun crowd). It's bad when even the crazies consider you crazy.
A: You say that as if it should faze me in some way?
Tm Clmns

Victoria, Canada

#103255 Mar 29, 2013
Sir Bucking Fastard wrote:
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Which of the following polities ROBS the blood, sweat, tears, and ultimately the lives of the people of a nation by FORCE of law:
[A] Communism/socialism/Marxism/fa scism/statism
or
[B] True Republicanism where the people decide for themselves how they shall live
Your answer is ........?
Provide historical proofs for your reply.
BTW: The U.S. is no longer a constitutional republic, itself having been taken over by the corporate dictatorship of the world bankers.
Revolution soon to follow. I hope YOU are prepared!
American Republicanism is where a small percentage of rich non-taxpayers try to decide how the rest of the country should live..

You have been taken over by your own corporate interests which you have supported and enabled.

Congratulations..
Tray

Oxford, MS

#103256 Mar 29, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>If you are trying to sell your way of life as being better then why do you use lies to do it?
If your side of the debate has such a firm historical record then why do you need lies?
A: I unlike you do not need to lie, the truth is more compelling.
Almost ever point made to you is either ignored, replied to with a degrading sexual remark or just an out right proven lie.
A: I never ignore your point I just don't respond to a point if it is idiotic, which in most cases it is ....it is illogical to believe you need assault weapons, yet I find those who fear the loss of all their guns irrational enough to support any lengths to keep them, that is just insane. And note I have never ever made a degrading sexual remark to someone unless they have done so first, ever!
Most on here consider you a raving lunatic (even the liberal anti-gun crowd). It's bad when even the crazies consider you crazy.
A: You say that as if it should faze me in some way?
Then prove crime will go down if guns are eliminated. As far as remarks you are full of crap. Go back and read your own posts, they are full of sexual remarks. You don't respond because you CAN'T. You post fast just not with any facts or relevance.

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#103257 Mar 29, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> Then prove crime will go down if guns are eliminated. As far as remarks you are full of crap. Go back and read your own posts, they are full of sexual remarks. You don't respond because you CAN'T. You post fast just not with any facts or relevance.
The proof is in the logic..if there are 300 people dead or injured in the US by guns...then that 300 would logically be minimised if the weapons of choice were manual ones...Ie...it would be harder to run around a picture theatre and kill as many with a knife, or stand in a bell tower and throw knives or bats?
Tray

Saltillo, MS

#103258 Mar 30, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
The proof is in the logic..if there are 300 people dead or injured in the US by guns...then that 300 would logically be minimised if the weapons of choice were manual ones...Ie...it would be harder to run around a picture theatre and kill as many with a knife, or stand in a bell tower and throw knives or bats?
No it wouldn't. The LARGEST attack with the highest body count on a school didn't involve a gun. The Bath School disaster is the historical name of the violent attack perpetrated by Andrew Kehoe on May 18, 1927 in Bath Township, Michigan that killed 38 elementary school children and 6 adults, and injured at least 58 other people. Kehoe first killed his wife, fire-bombed his farm and set off a major explosion in the Bath Consolidated School, before committing suicide by detonating a final explosion in his truck. It is the deadliest mass murder in a school in United States history. Humans wanting to kill humans ALWAYS find a way. However removing the ability to defend a group or area sure helps the attacker.
Sir Bucking Fastard

UK

#103260 Mar 30, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
Kim Jong Un is an inbred nutcase from a family of nutters he is a overgrown baby with the maturity of a gnat so WTF is America doing catering/inciting a madman by flying stealth bombers over South Korea. Talk about waving a red rag at a bull...Everyone in the world knows KJU has no brains or diplomacy to run a country, but (sheesh) get a grip America you should know better than to react to a lunatic who shoots his yap off at the yanks every chance he gets, are you trying to force his hand?
My goodness! Now you're attacking a member of your immediate family?
:-))
Sir Bucking Fastard

UK

#103261 Mar 30, 2013
DavidQ762 wrote:
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Your logic falls flat on its face. If one were so inclined, they could bar the doors on the theatre. And then set fire to it with gasoline. Would you then propose taking away all gasoline?
The FACT is that ALL of mankind has the propensity to commit evil acts.(The 20th century alone gave us more than ample proof of that). The ONLY TRULY "logical" answer. Is the possibility of swift and sure RETRIBUTION. Firearms are, in FACT, the perfect deterrent.
But you neglected to mention that it has always been governments which have first disarmed their peoples, and then began with the pogroms.
A government can't have a pogrom if the people are armed.
Sir Bucking Fastard

UK

#103263 Mar 30, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
The proof is in the logic..if there are 300 people dead or injured in the US by guns...then that 300 would logically be minimised if the weapons of choice were manual ones...Ie...it would be harder to run around a picture theatre and kill as many with a knife, or stand in a bell tower and throw knives or bats?
What about the 50 plus million Kulaks who were murdered by the Soviets? They had been disarmed.

What about the 80 plus million Chines peasants who were murdered by the Chinese communists? They too had been conveniently disarmed before hand.

What about those killing fields in Cambodia, where the peasants had disarmed, and then murdered by the hundreds of thousands?

What's more acceptable to you: A few murders a year, or several million a year?
Sir Bucking Fastard

UK

#103264 Mar 30, 2013
Tm Clmns wrote:
<quoted text>
American Republicanism is where a small percentage of rich non-taxpayers try to decide how the rest of the country should live..
You have been taken over by your own corporate interests which you have supported and enabled.
Congratulations..
What you describe is crony capitalism and monopoly, neither of which fits the description of open and free markets, as in the former, insider trading is the byword, and in the latter, competition is totally stifled.

So you appear to be sidestepping the real issue by tossing out a distraction. But that's nothing new with you.

Since: Feb 13

United States

#103265 Mar 30, 2013
When you guys are talking to ahomana you're wasteing your time and energy. It doesnt matter what you say, espically if you're defending america, or you're american. She delibertaley attacks like a vicious venomious snake.
But I begin thinking, there is just tooooooo much hate there for it just to be about guns. So what would cause a woman to be like this?
Then it hit, like a ton of rocks. How could I possibibley be so dumb? Remember the ole saying, something about the wrath of a woman, a woman scorned, etc.
Somewhere in her past she had been jilted by an american. Dumped. Used. Thrown away.
That has got to be it!
Now, predictible as she is, she's going to come back and say, with a vengious, that she wouldnt dare have a filthy yank.
But its okay ahomana, we all had been jilted at least once in our lifetime.
That yank must have really turned those emotions on.

Since: Dec 10

Brunswick, Australia

#103268 Mar 30, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> No it wouldn't. The LARGEST attack with the highest body count on a school didn't involve a gun. The Bath School disaster is the historical name of the violent attack perpetrated by Andrew Kehoe on May 18, 1927 in Bath Township, Michigan that killed 38 elementary school children and 6 adults, and injured at least 58 other people. Kehoe first killed his wife, fire-bombed his farm and set off a major explosion in the Bath Consolidated School, before committing suicide by detonating a final explosion in his truck. It is the deadliest mass murder in a school in United States history. Humans wanting to kill humans ALWAYS find a way. However removing the ability to defend a group or area sure helps the attacker.
Yes that is all true but in the whole of history how many, people have been killed that way compared to deaths by shooting?

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