It's the Guns, Stupid

It's the Guns, Stupid

There are 103299 comments on the Truthdig story from Apr 20, 2007, titled It's the Guns, Stupid. In it, Truthdig reports that:

“And that's the end of the issue”

Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

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Sir Bucking Fastard

UK

#103287 Mar 31, 2013
DavidQ762 wrote:
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You don't use the power of reason much, do you?
If he did, it would 'overpower' him!
;-)
british gun law

Park Orchards, Australia

#103289 Mar 31, 2013
It's illegal to carry a gun in Australia?
The Crimes Act:

93G Causing danger with firearm or spear gun
(1) Any person who:
(a) possesses a loaded firearm or loaded spear gun:
(i) in a public place, or
(ii) in any other place so as to endanger the life of any other person, or
(b) fires a firearm or spear gun in or near a public place, or
(c) carries or fires a firearm or spear gun in a manner likely to injure, or endanger the
safety of, himself or herself or any other person or any property, or with disregard for
the safety of himself or herself or any other person,
is liable to imprisonment for 10 years.
british gun law

Park Orchards, Australia

#103290 Mar 31, 2013
Before i get proven wrong, here is another question. What is the point of registering for a gun if you're not allowed to carry in out in public places.Are you supposed to keep it at home or something

The first line "causing danger"... is a title of the section. If they wanted to explicitly mean 'only people causing danger' wouldn't they expand on that a little? It's too subtle

If you look at it carefully, it says 'or' which means you only have to fill in one of the three criteria, so fulfilling 1a is enough to be fined? 1a simply states that it is an offence to carry a loaded gun in public

So the bottom line is this law only sounds ridiculous to me because I don't know the tough process of trying to obtain being authorized to have a gun, or own a registered gun in the first place? Like, only police and civil servants are allowed to have guns most of the time?

I'm only worrying about guns because I'm studying this aspect of law in my course at uni, not genuinely worried about my well-being. Although i do wish pepper spray was legal- being a girl

For example, if some drunk guy walks up to you and threatens you, you aren't allowed to punch him in the face.

If some drunk guy walks up to you and pulls out a knife, you are allowed to punch him in the face, because you are using lesser force than he is.

I don't think it's about the extent of the force which makes it legal. It's a test about whether you or a reasonable person would perceive the threat to be of such a nature as to constitute self defence.
Punjabi raj

Trivandrum, India

#103291 Mar 31, 2013
british can stick their gun up their buttocks holes and shoot.
Sir Bucking Fastard

UK

#103292 Mar 31, 2013
Punjabi raj wrote:
british can stick their gun up their buttocks holes and shoot.
I would suggest the very same thing for yourself, but your cranium is up there to your shoulders!
:-))

“REFUSE ALL IMITATIONS!!”

Since: Jan 11

Launceston, Australia

#103298 Mar 31, 2013
WOW!!

Posts don't often get ignored as urgently as this one was!!lol!

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/australia/TI...

Here it is again:
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THAT'S IT FOLKS!!

If you have any guns that you shouldn't have just hand them over to the Police. As a trusted agency they will keep the community safe!:)

http://tinyurl.com/d2bttap

"We're from the government. We're here to help you".

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The point of this post was to call into question the presumption that guns surrendered to, or seized by Police agencies are thereafter rendered out of reach of persons unfit to possess guns.

Immediately after the Port Arthur massacre a report began gaining traction that at least one, and possibly both of the high-performance guns used by Martin Bryant had been previously relinquished at a Police-conducted gun amnesty by a law-abiding prior owner. Thereafter according to reports instead of being crushed those guns found their way back into circulation.

If so, then the implications and ramifications of such an occurrence point to an era when Police Corruption enquiries were already making headlines, as they do from time to time.

Needless to say, the prospect of 35 homicides and dozens maimed for exchange of "Thirty Pieces Of Silver" at some State-run Armory is not only horrendous, but cannot be ruled out.

In subsequent years more reports have surfaced from time to time of "leakages" from various arms repositories, supposedly secured by Government instrumentalities.

Yet don't hold your breath waiting for mainstream media to front-page these lapses unless you're in the business of turning blue for a hobby.

Bottom line is: while all the persecution of law-abiding gun owners flourishes apace, meanwhile our illustrious authorities' will and capacity to 'keep up their end of the bargain' give cause for doubt repeatedly.
The Sewraj Bashers

Tempe, AZ

#103299 Mar 31, 2013
The ADELAIDEAN wrote:
DELETED
This poster is a FRAUD, IMPOSTOR, USURPER, IDENTITY and MATERIAL THIEF and DERANGED MANIAC.

Not only has he shamefully stolen our identity but all his posts have been purloined from our posts in the Australian forum.

The extent of his mental retardation and disturbance can be observed through these threads posted in the Mauritian forum:

As Beady has a yellow mane Footscray, Australia:
Beady is gone!
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/mauritius/TU...

As The switchers Footscray, Australia
SWITCH SWITCH Mauritius
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/mauritius/TT...

As The switchers Footscray, Australia
SWITCH SWITCH Macedonia
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/macedonia/T2...

Other aliases used:
Carlsberg Guy Footscray, Australia
Derpy Hooves Footscray, Australia
Kilo kilobit man Footscray, Australia
Fluttershy Footscray, Australia
Chinkbusters Footscray, Australia
Brony killer Footscray, Australia
Memebase Footscray, Australia
MIKBIK Footscray, Australia
TAIBIX Footscray, Australia
UJIK Footscray, Australia
hAMKELAKAT RAXIKIK Footscray, Australia
lAKREKSAT Footscray, Australia
lARMENIKI Footscray, Australia
TABEIXU Footscray, Austral
nUMGOIGI Footscray, Australia
TEKGSBPUT Footscray, Australia
GAEBIL OSULI Footscray, Australia
nazi Footscray, Australia
HELLTAMIMOTKYOHK O3KYANCUT CHETNGUEXIM4CUOT ANC3KYPHU FQUYTCHETEXIM4CUO TANC3KYP QUYTCHETEXIM4CUO TANC3KYP Beady has a yellow mane QUYTCHETNGUEXIM4CUOTANKYP the Switchers HELLTAMIMOTKYOHK O3KYANCUT CYCLORACHCNGUEXI MCUOTANCPTEAM - using many other similar names and many proxy locations in the Vietnamese and Japanese Forums.

He is part of a group of MalbarCACA (IndoMauritian) posters whom we have named the Benders who use the registered user names - Neville Thompson ( http://www.topix.com/member/profile/nevilleth... ), The ADELAIDEAN ( http://www.topix.com/member/profile/theadelai... ) as well as many other Indian posters scattered around the globe but concentrated in Australia, the UK, US and Mauritius.

We have named him the Adelaidean Footscray, Australia MalbarCACA coward Bender BASTARD

And

IndoMauritian ti pilon IMPOSTOR, IDENTITY THIEF, PLAGERIZER (ID #2 hide myASS! Beady has a yellow mane Derpy Hooves Carlsberg Guy
Rainbow Dash Australia the greater of many evils Switchers ADELAIDEANs)?

Ignore all his posts or report them for abuse to Topix. Better still respond as follows:

Adelaidean Footscray, Australia MalbarCACA coward Bender BASTARD IMPOSTOR, IDENTITY THIEF, PLAGERIZE, SPAMMER, REAL AGITATOR,
TROUBLEMAKER, SmellyARSIE HINDUSTINK TRANNY, PIMP, NONCE, SHEMAlE FUCKTURD DANCING LADYBOY and TOPIX PAID TROLL you are exposed.

FUKINGAYHOMOSEXUAL MalbarCACA Bacha Bazi Dancing RentBoy FOOK OFF back to your STINKY SHITCACAHOLE forum and never return.

Now FOOK OFF.

“REFUSE ALL IMITATIONS!!”

Since: Jan 11

Launceston, Australia

#103300 Mar 31, 2013
The Sewraj Bashers wrote:
<quoted text>
This poster is a FRAUD,
[ DEFAMATION TRASHED ]
You have deployed this copy-paste over 50 times in the last couple of weeks beady, obstructing legitimate discussion with self-serving ad hominem.

http://tinyurl.com/beadyssuperiors

The Sewraj Bashers

Henderson, NV

#103302 Mar 31, 2013
The ADELAIDEAN wrote:
<quoted text>
You have deployed this copy-paste over 50 times in the last couple of weeks beady, obstructing legitimate discussion with self-serving ad hominem.
http://tinyurl.com/beadyssuperiors

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#103301
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The ADELAIDEAN wrote:
<quoted text>
DELETED

This poster is a FRAUD, IMPOSTOR, USURPER, IDENTITY and MATERIAL THIEF and DERANGED MANIAC.

Not only has he shamefully stolen our identity but all his posts have been purloined from our posts in the Australian forum.

The extent of his mental retardation and disturbance can be observed through these threads posted in the Mauritian forum:

As Beady has a yellow mane Footscray, Australia:
Beady is gone!
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/mauritius/TU ...

As The switchers Footscray, Australia
SWITCH SWITCH Mauritius
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/mauritius/TT ...

As The switchers Footscray, Australia
SWITCH SWITCH Macedonia
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/macedonia/T2 ...

Other aliases used:
Carlsberg Guy Footscray, Australia
Derpy Hooves Footscray, Australia
Kilo kilobit man Footscray, Australia
Fluttershy Footscray, Australia
Chinkbusters Footscray, Australia
Brony killer Footscray, Australia
Memebase Footscray, Australia
MIKBIK Footscray, Australia
TAIBIX Footscray, Australia
UJIK Footscray, Australia
hAMKELAKAT RAXIKIK Footscray, Australia
lAKREKSAT Footscray, Australia
lARMENIKI Footscray, Australia
TABEIXU Footscray, Austral
nUMGOIGI Footscray, Australia
TEKGSBPUT Footscray, Australia
GAEBIL OSULI Footscray, Australia
nazi Footscray, Australia
HELLTAMIMOTKYOHK O3KYANCUT CHETNGUEXIM4CUOT ANC3KYPHU FQUYTCHETEXIM4CUO TANC3KYP QUYTCHETEXIM4CUO TANC3KYP Beady has a yellow mane QUYTCHETNGUEXIM4CUOTANKYP the Switchers HELLTAMIMOTKYOHK O3KYANCUT CYCLORACHCNGUEXI MCUOTANCPTEAM - using many other similar names and many proxy locations in the Vietnamese and Japanese Forums.

He is part of a group of MalbarCACA (IndoMauritian) posters whom we have named the Benders who use the registered user names - Neville Thompson ( http://www.topix.com/member/profile/nevilleth ...), The ADELAIDEAN ( http://www.topix.com/member/profile/theadelai ...) as well as many other Indian posters scattered around the globe but concentrated in Australia, the UK, US and Mauritius.

We have named him the Adelaidean Footscray, Australia MalbarCACA coward Bender BASTARD

And

IndoMauritian ti pilon IMPOSTOR, IDENTITY THIEF, PLAGERIZER (ID #2 hide myASS! Beady has a yellow mane Derpy Hooves Carlsberg Guy
Rainbow Dash Australia the greater of many evils Switchers ADELAIDEANs)?

Ignore all his posts or report them for abuse to Topix. Better still respond as follows:

Adelaidean Footscray, Australia MalbarCACA coward Bender BASTARD IMPOSTOR, IDENTITY THIEF, PLAGERIZE, SPAMMER, REAL AGITATOR,
TROUBLEMAKER, SmellyARSIE HINDUSTINK TRANNY, PIMP, NONCE, SHEMAlE FUCKTURD DANCING LADYBOY and TOPIX PAID TROLL you are exposed.

FUKINGAYHOMOSEXUAL MalbarCACA Bacha Bazi Dancing RentBoy FOOK OFF back to your STINKY SHITCACAHOLE forum and never return.

Now FOOK OFF.

Since: Dec 10

North Adelaide, Australia

#103303 Mar 31, 2013
DavidQ762 wrote:
<quoted text>
Put THIS in your pipe and smoke it:
Here's what has happened in the rest of the world due to 'gun bans'. It covers Australia, Canada, and England gun ban results:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =itthVyjHW9QXX
What a load of bullshit, if 1)this attacker wasn't an ex stalker boyfriend that got off on abusing women ...and 2) the female used some better judgement in choosing boy freinds these type of situations wouldn't occur in the first place. There is also the fact that you fail to solve the source of the problem...ie....the guy was an abusive feckwit, snf she obviously had issues in order to sink that low... BUT what you are clearly saying is, the only way to fix all your social problems is with a gun.....way to go moron.
Sir Bucking Fastard

UK

#103304 Mar 31, 2013
R-12 Freon wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL, sounds to me like it's his butt that's sittin on his shoulders....
Why yes, yes! And I do believe that the proper description for his condition is referred to as the 'AssHat' syndrome!
;-)

Since: Dec 10

North Adelaide, Australia

#103305 Mar 31, 2013
Sir Bucking Fastard wrote:
<quoted text>
You doubt ... Yet you provide NOT A THING which would tend to support your suppositions.
A: damned If I do and damned if I don't...Google it you uneducated tit.
So, I shall put THIS question to you: HOW MANY Kulak families WEREN'T armed, when the Soviet forces took over?
A: How many"WERE armed?"...You are the one saying these things and not putting up 1 shred of actual evidence.
How many Chinese WEREN'T armed when the Chinese Communists took over?
A: How many "WERE" armed? refer to above answer.
How many Cambodians WEREN'T armed when Pol Pot took over?
Finally, what YOU think to be the proper price for a gun, in no way determines that cost everywhere else. In fact, there are gunsmiths in Pakistan, India, and Afghanistan (and other places in that region) who can copy just any firearm with a degree of accuracy, and reliability which would simply astound you! And they'll do that for FAR less than you might expect.
Remember: They are working to stay alive, and NOT to make 'killing' in the marketplace.
A: So what you are saying is that Al queda and the local populations are not getting their guns by any means other than local....I like to be sure of where you are going here?
So you, by your very remarks, reveal an astonishing degree of IGNORANCE on the matter!
A: The debate is ongoing so early days yet Pacha!
In fact, I'm inclined to say that you come off as being an inveterate communist yourself, what with your dismissal of facts revealed otherwise.
A: I deal in FACTS not emotional twaddle...and in regards as me being dismissive, that is your problem not mine, I don't dismiss anything out of hand (if you knew me and you don't) just because I don't say you are a hero because you carry a gun you dismiss me as a wuse, just because I don't think it is manly to have assault weapons for anything other than penis envy, you think I dismiss anything you say....NO, I still give you a few post to garner your level of insanity....give me some credit.
Yes: YOU engage in WHOLESALE PROPAGANDA!
A: NEVER...1) I am not a brainwashed yankee....and 2) I am not a gun loving loony to the detriment of my countrymen....
GoGoBar

Chiang Mai, Thailand

#103307 Mar 31, 2013
USA

2.5 million dangerous felons in Jail

1,286,000 Serious Violent Crimes

450,000 involving firearms

201 Justifiable Homicides(Self defence with firearm)

ROFLMAO

Since: Dec 10

North Adelaide, Australia

#103308 Mar 31, 2013
DavidQ762 wrote:
<quoted text>
Very well stated Sir.
This is how easy you can pick the lunacy of a poster, their avatar is a start...You are clueless and arrogant and inconsiderate...and I think you would be like that in real life....you think it is right( to debate with those against guns) you have a gun as your avatar....you are attempting to incite and more's to the point show how bloody immature you are...it worked...as that all says straight up that you are a dick head...in anyone's language.

Since: Dec 10

North Adelaide, Australia

#103310 Mar 31, 2013
DavidQ762 wrote:
<quoted text>
It is very sad to see how far down the British empire has fallen. Almost as sad as it is watching the American fall as well. Our peoples were the shining hope of freedom and liberty to the rest of the known world. Take a look at us now....
You are worse off than the Brits....you are broke.
peroxide

San Antonio, TX

#103311 Mar 31, 2013
GoGoBar wrote:
USA
2.5 million dangerous felons in Jail
1,286,000 Serious Violent Crimes
450,000 involving firearms
201 Justifiable Homicides(Self defence with firearm)
ROFLMAO
All your stats are f*cking made up.
Stop posting that tired old shit you loser.
You don't even live in the USA !
Nobody ever agrees with you ever.

Why should anyone listen to you a known PEDOPHILE !

Go find some statistics about pedos that live in Thailand.

Since: Dec 10

North Adelaide, Australia

#103312 Mar 31, 2013
DavidQ762 wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey defenseless one, take a look at what your OWN police are saying about your cowardly 'gun ban'-
American Gun Control - The Push To Disarm Americans


A: Nice comeback dick head!

(Excellent interviews with Australian Police about their BACK FIRING 'gun ban').
Good luck defending yourself with your butter knives, bonehead.
A: The only thing missing from this link is the propaganda warning......

Since: Dec 10

North Adelaide, Australia

#103313 Mar 31, 2013
DavidQ762 wrote:
<quoted text>
You seem like you actually enjoy being a disarmed 'subject'. So much so, that you desire to bring others down to the same pathetically undefended status that you are in. I guess the old saying is true after all. You know; "Misery loves company". Take a hike, you pathetic boot-licking sycophant.
A: Anyone who has followed these posts (that have a brain and no gun) would see that it was you who made the lame arse attempt to bring me down and failed but you keep trying, now you are just pissed...can't take it don't deal it....TED!
Sir Bucking Fastard

UK

#103317 Mar 31, 2013
The ADELAIDEAN wrote:
WOW!!
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Bottom line is: while all the persecution of law-abiding gun owners flourishes apace, meanwhile our illustrious authorities' will and capacity to 'keep up their end of the bargain' give cause for doubt repeatedly.
The ones in elected, and appointed office, and that includes the hirelings, always feel the need to justify their existence by way of inflating the violent crime statistics.

Of course that works both ways too, but NOT reporting certain incidents to the international community, such as to present a false facade, making all appear to be placid, and pastoral.

The of course, in order to remove more rights from the people, they will engage in hyperbole, verily foaming at the mouth over even the smallest of instances of criminality. From that point they will over-blow every reported instance to the point of inflating certain crimes.

And if the said 'inflation' doesn't work, then they will purposefully make sure that something bad happens by facilitating (read: False flag) a real disaster.

There's always an insidious power behind all of this, and if you're perceptive, you'll know of whom I speak.
GoGoBar

Chiang Mai, Thailand

#103318 Mar 31, 2013
USA

HAHAHAHA

2.5 million dangerous felons in Jail

1,286,000 Serious Violent Crimes

450,000 involving firearms

201 Justifiable Homicides(Self defence with firearm)

ROFLMAO

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