It's the Guns, Stupid

Apr 20, 2007 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Truthdig

“And that's the end of the issue”

Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

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Armed Veteran wrote:
-Buying a THING, does not an act of aggression make. I have owned firearms for over 35 years, and NOT ONCE have they ever been used in an aggressive manner. And if the mere sight of a THING (in this case, a firearm) frightens you, that says MUCH MORE about YOUR mental state than mine.

A: Not much frightens me least of all a gun, but the mentality of those who own weapons, that should only be used in a war zone is down right idiotic.

-And what will you do if they don't show up in time, if at all???

A: The same thing as if I am waiting on a vigilante to save me(neither would be waiting on my beck and call)I imagine the one significant difference is "I know the number to call in an emergency" and I don't know those of the vigilante's.

-Well, do yourself a favor. When bad stuff happens, DON'T call the authorities. Why? Because good guys WITH GUNS will show up wanting to help you, and we wouldn't want you to have a coronary and keel over dead at the sight of a gun.

A: Well cheers for the warning....again, but don't hold your breathe, there Pacha!

-I'm not aggressive, until someone puts me in a position that requires me to get aggressive. When someone brings a fight to you, you don't sit back and let yourself be used as a punching bag or a target.

A: Everything you have stated thus far "IS" aggressive behavior.

-The person who can put their attacker on the defensive the quickest will quickly gain the upper hand in the situation and can usually bring it to a very abrupt end.

A: I have seen my brother in situations like that and so far he has always managed to quiet or control the situation, same goes for my dad, and I always feel safe in their company.

-Just look at the multitude of videos out there where shop owners defended themselves with firearms when attempting to be robbed. The bad guys scatter like roaches when the lights are turned on because they hate it when their intended target is ready for them.

A: I have also seen people defending themselves in those police video's, along with their employers property without the need of a gun....and had success....moot point.

-That is why the bad guys prefer to target the elderly and the weak. And if your first "instinct" is to call the authorities FIRST, your survival instincts suck. Good luck with your govt-sponsored dial-a-prayer. I'll be a little more proactive in my DEFENSE.

A: Well onyer! on your aggressive stance there Pacha, I prefer the defensive strategy and I would have a higher chance of survival if all countries including yours, stopped flooding the world market with drugs and guns? Now just a thought here Pacha! Maybe because you are so busy thinking of the reasons you desperately "need a gun" you missed the most logical one, Why would you or anyone need to fear someone having a gun if there simply were "NO guns" in the first place eh, what do you think?

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R-12 Freon wrote:
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Oh I do have a life and it's because I do that I can fear somebody trying to take something away from me.
Do you REALLY think that Freedom cannot be taken away from you??
WOW, are you gullable...and foolish.
No of course I don't THINK freedom can be taken away, I am a sane rational human being.....I KNOW you can't take a persons freedom. You can take a mans house his car, his dog, his wife, kids and guns and then have him incarcerated and you still cannot take his freedom...it is not something in the physical sense...if you have it, you can never lose it, it is not like faith!

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I posted a link earlier in this thread where four terrorists arrested here came across the Mexican border.
What about the homegrown terrorists Teaman? The thing about terrorists is that most times they can live among you and you don't recognise them as terrorists. The same applies to spies, I remember when the yanks caught all these spies living in suburbia...it is hard to differentiate between a terrorist coming across the border and a Mexican drug runner. But none of these things are helped when ranchers are the border guards because there is no way you can monitor every section of the border, so the ranchers shouldn't be put at risk by those of their own country sending guns and ammo across the border, so that the ranchers have to fear a fire fight aided from within.:)

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And what about the countless MILLIONS in Rwanda, Cambodia, etc. who were not so LUCKY. I never said it was a guarantee, nor did I imply it. But as the saying goes....I would rather have a gun and not need it, than to need it and not have it. A lot of the bad guys out there that woud do harm to others carry weapons including forearms. What my firearm does is give me the opportunity to return whatever violence may come to me or mine WITH LIKE VIOLENCE. Evil exists whether you choose to believe it or not. And all of the talking in the world will not turn it away. And armed robber or burglar doesn't want to sit and talk with you. There are people in this world who's sole purpose is to inflict as much pain on their fellow man as they can for their own gain because they have no conscience. They are typically known as sociopaths and psychopaths. And sticking your head in the sand and hoping they will just pass you by is NOT the way I choose to defend me and mine from them.
So in order to defend you family with a gun....your gun could be outgunned by a bigger more powerful gun, a gun that can fire and keep firing, when yours has given up the ghost...or a you in favor of having assault weapons as well, because in that case all the want to protect your family if 1) only you have a gun against more than one burglar with assault weapons (AKs and the like)etc, your ass is still grass? If you get my meaning...there is always someone bigger than you or someone with a bigger gun or you are outnumbered or caught by surprise.

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What about the homegrown terrorists Teaman? The thing about terrorists is that most times they can live among you and you don't recognise them as terrorists. The same applies to spies, I remember when the yanks caught all these spies living in suburbia...it is hard to differentiate between a terrorist coming across the border and a Mexican drug runner. But none of these things are helped when ranchers are the border guards because there is no way you can monitor every section of the border, so the ranchers shouldn't be put at risk by those of their own country sending guns and ammo across the border, so that the ranchers have to fear a fire fight aided from within.:)
Clocked you as a terrorist from the start pet.
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GO AWAY.
FO GUCK YOURSELF!
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-Buying a THING, does not an act of aggression make. I have owned firearms for over 35 years, and NOT ONCE have they ever been used in an aggressive manner.
BULLSHIT! The ONLY thing YOU have 'owned,' is an 'assault DIL DO, QUEEN OF STINK!

Now, have YOUR dogs stopping tearing holes in YOUR nylons in order to get a 'piece of YOUR ARSE?'
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Clocked you as a terrorist from the start pet.
As have most of the rest of the posters here ...
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FYI wrote:
<quoted text>" YOU ARE A RACIST " I am a Progressive ! SO WHAT!! Regards
YOU are a THUCKING FIEF!
Communism/socialism/Marxism is/are NOTHING SHORT of RAPE, ROBBERY, AND MURDER.

My, aren't YOU proud?

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Sir Bucking Fastard wrote:
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BULLSHIT! The ONLY thing YOU have 'owned,' is an 'assault DIL DO, QUEEN OF STINK!
Now, have YOUR dogs stopping tearing holes in YOUR nylons in order to get a 'piece of YOUR ARSE?'
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Stop talking to yourself!

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YOU are a THUCKING FIEF!
Communism/socialism/Marxism is/are NOTHING SHORT of RAPE, ROBBERY, AND MURDER.
My, aren't YOU proud?
Shouldn't that be pare and boberry, nut case?

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As have most of the rest of the posters here ...
Never found a terrorist in Aussie land, you Brits seem to breed them like flies.

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spider1954 wrote:
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Clocked you as a terrorist from the start pet.
you would be a lot closer to the mark if you clocked yourself as a die hard hillbilly gun toting lunatic.:)
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Never found a terrorist in Aussie land, you Brits seem to breed them like flies.
Plents of terrorists here, some were sentenced not long ago.
Most of them get away with it because our courts always rule on the side of muslims.

You're trying to make a Australia vs England or Australia vs USA thread again you cunning bich, but nobody from Australia is going to support your arguements.

Its you alone vs the world Ms welfare flab.
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And that little tax that we were hit with not too long ago (Obamacare) which was only supposed to originally cost $900 billion was just retallied to the tune of $2.8 TRILLION (and the democraps are trying to add taxes on top of the tax).
(and there were WMD's)
Spending money on the health of a nation makes more sense than a useless phony war.

Not the kind of "WMD they were talking about".... don't so easily believe propaganda..

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peady wrote:
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Plents of terrorists here, some were sentenced not long ago.
Most of them get away with it because our courts always rule on the side of muslims.
You're trying to make a Australia vs England or Australia vs USA thread again you cunning bich, but nobody from Australia is going to support your arguements.
Its you alone vs the world Ms welfare flab.
Yeah hrmmmph! that is what they said about a lone American voice shouting that the yanks had no proof of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and that Husien had nothing to do with 911, and you dicks shouted him down and called him a traitor,he was proved right though wasn't he and you knobs just look stupid....Soooooo, just because everyone believes it to be right does not necessarily mean that it is right eh! knucklehead. I am always right you are just too stupid to know it till it stares you in the face.....
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Sir Bucking Fastard wrote:
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YOU are a THUCKING FIEF!
Communism/socialism/Marxism is/are NOTHING SHORT of RAPE, ROBBERY, AND MURDER.
My, aren't YOU proud?
ANGER ISSUES HERE!! However I think I agree!! Continue my friend. Regards
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Sir Bucking Fastard wrote:
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YOU are a THUCKING FIEF!
Communism/socialism/Marxism is/are NOTHING SHORT of RAPE, ROBBERY, AND MURDER.
My, aren't YOU proud?
Interesting, I believe Capitalism/US Republicanism serves up he same menu...
I guess you are proud too.

You are a dilly solt.
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Interesting, I believe Capitalism/US Republicanism serves up he same menu...
I guess you are proud too.

You are a dilly solt.

That's THE same menu..... sorry
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First sign of a fool is someone who says they are always right, the 'sure' sign of a fool is someone who believes it.

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