It's the Guns, Stupid

It's the Guns, Stupid

There are 103340 comments on the Truthdig story from Apr 20, 2007, titled It's the Guns, Stupid. In it, Truthdig reports that:

“And that's the end of the issue”

Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

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#103133 Mar 26, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>NBC Admitted: No 'Assault Rifle' Used in Newtown Shooting
http://www.ijreview.com/2013/01/30208-nbc-adm...
Neither video in the link you provided worked...Got another link? One that works? Perhaps from the ACTUAL source and not some third-party

Or, maybe we need only take note of the "Editor's note" at the bottom of the page to debunk your claim:

"Editorís note: Connecticut State Police have confirmed that Adam Lanza did, in fact, use a Bushmaster .223 high capacity rifle and two hand guns. As far as we can tell, NBC has not issued a retraction."

Just scroll to the bottom of the page and read the notation directly above the Faceboof and Tumblr links.

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#103134 Mar 26, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> Just as passing laws that violate the Constitutional protected rights are not valid. Gun control laws violate the Constitution there fore are invalid so yes states can ignore them.
Well, well, well! You sound so sure of yourself! Then, by all means, why don't you take it upon yourself to do what I've been asking everyone else here, that is, PROVE IT!

You know, like how I've been proving that the proposed gun control laws are NOT invalid.

Go ahead....
Someone You Know

Garland, TX

#103135 Mar 26, 2013
Uh... if you look at world murder statistics (not just gun violence) the US is at about the middle of the spectrum so it's obvious it's not just about the guns, stupid.

I'm not giving mine up.

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#103136 Mar 26, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>Exactly Right.
I'm STILL waiting for you to PROVE. IT.

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#103137 Mar 26, 2013
just an allusion wrote:
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Inasmuch as you've demonstrated that you are completely unaware of the governmental employee hierarchy, it is not worth my time to discuss the matter with you.
I mean, hell man, DO YOU EVEN GOOGLE?!
I know people who have worked as state and Federal Employees and there is a big difference even in pay scales & benefits and the Federal Employees get a hell of a lot better in benefits that State Employees you should Google it which I don't need to I know.

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#103138 Mar 26, 2013
just an allusion wrote:
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And have subsequently been adjudicated as irrelevant and, summarily, dismissed as frivolous.
THAT'S the reason why there has been no mention in the news or anywhere else of the BS you've cited, because it is BS!
The US Constitution is not Bullshit at all but to most modern liberals feel the US Constitution is Bullshit especially the 2nd amendment is when it does not fit their agenda which is the way most Modern Liberals like Dianne Feinstein feel along with most of the Media today that is biased and is Liberal in the modern sense which they don't want people to know and realize that their Federal Bill of Rights under the US Constitution were striped from them and left up to the states because of the flaw in the 14th amendment and it was the SCOTUS that Incorporated the Bill down to the State Level and blame the public educational system by the Government for that beside 2010 was when the 2nd amendment which was the last amendment under the Bill of Rights to be Incorporated which the Modern Liberals cant stand became a right to all the states including Illinois so get over it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incorporation_of...

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#103139 Mar 26, 2013
just an allusion wrote:
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So, in your opinion, those responsible for reporting the news, deciding the outcome of legal matters, and instituting the laws, policies and procedures by which we interact with one another and the world around us "know no difference" between the truth and a lie"?"
Like I've said before...YOU. ARE. DELUSIONAL!!!
Like I've said before too "just an allusion"...YOU ARE DELUSIONAL!!! especially when it comes to the Facts.
Spocko

Oakland, CA

#103140 Mar 26, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
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Let me try that.
How incredibly sad when the dislike of guns defines a man's entire existence.
That works.
You brain-dead too? I have guns, I shoot targets every Sunday morning with my marine buddies, none of us supports the absurdities of you freaking gun-a-holics!

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#103141 Mar 26, 2013
just an allusion wrote:
<quoted text>
Neither video in the link you provided worked...Got another link? One that works? Perhaps from the ACTUAL source and not some third-party
Or, maybe we need only take note of the "Editor's note" at the bottom of the page to debunk your claim:
"Editorís note: Connecticut State Police have confirmed that Adam Lanza did, in fact, use a Bushmaster .223 high capacity rifle and two hand guns. As far as we can tell, NBC has not issued a retraction."
Just scroll to the bottom of the page and read the notation directly above the Faceboof and Tumblr links.
just worked for me like I've said before too "just an allusion"...YOU ARE DELUSIONAL!!! especially when it comes to the Facts.

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#103142 Mar 26, 2013
just an allusion wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm STILL waiting for you to PROVE. IT.
Like I've said before too "just an allusion"...YOU ARE DELUSIONAL!!! especially when it comes to the Facts.

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#103143 Mar 26, 2013
Spocko wrote:
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You brain-dead too? I have guns, I shoot targets every Sunday morning with my marine buddies, none of us supports the absurdities of you freaking gun-a-holics!
Sure you do.

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#103144 Mar 26, 2013
Teaman wrote:
I believe there was a civil war just prior to that amendment.


Yes, and it was the whole reason for the Amendment because the suppression of some peoples' "inalienable...self evident" right to be treated as all others, given the all-too-obvious fact that "all men are created equal", was being violated by certain narrow-minded, small-brained, hate-mongering racists, though my point was that it is not solely up to the states to decide "social issues" as the Federal government has more than adequately been recognized as the leading authority in such matters.
Teaman wrote:
Although one way to propose an amendment is through congress, the states amend the constitution. I would have to research that to see if southern states had seats in congress yet. The 14th was passed using extortion. The southern states were required to vote for it in order to regain their seats.
Got any proof of this, or is this just more anarchistic, anti-government propaganda?
Teaman wrote:
A state can add rights, but can't take away rights found in the bill of rights. The states already had the other rights incorporated into their own constitutions. The point is, the federal government can't take them away.


Actually the point is that, while a state CAN add rights that either supplement those set in place by the Constitution/the Federal government, none of those newly devised rights can neither supercede or circumvent the Federally defined outlines of said rights.
Teaman wrote:
The danger now is we are being ruled by nine unelected justices legislating from the bench using selective incorporation.
As the highest court in the United States, whose roots are based in the inception of the United States their selves, that has ultimate appellate jurisdiction over ALL federal courts and over state court cases involving issues of federal law, and original jurisdiction over a small range of cases, we pretty much have always been, the only difference now/the reason for the animosity is that they're not deciding matters in YOUR favor...You cannot dispel the wisdom of ages merely because it doesn't coincide with/support your new world view of this or that matter.

Hey! Anarchist, if you don't like the US, why don't you leave it? if you really want to go, I can secure you a berth on the next cargo ship heading away from here for parts unknown.
Spocko

Oakland, CA

#103146 Mar 26, 2013
Armed Veteran wrote:
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Sure you do.
And unlike you, I also have a brain ...:-)
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#103147 Mar 26, 2013
Spocko wrote:
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You brain-dead too? I have guns, I shoot targets every Sunday morning with my marine buddies, none of us supports the absurdities of you freaking gun-a-holics!
Gee, most of the former military I know support my absurdities including the ones that shoot with me.
Go figure.

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#103148 Mar 26, 2013
Teaman wrote:
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Not by the federal government. They are banned in my state.
I believe the state was mentioned in the court decision you posted.
So, you're telling me that ALL guns are banned in New Jersey?

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#103149 Mar 26, 2013
Teaman wrote:
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Again, the object and not the principle. Some states didn't return escaped slaves in violation of federal law. It was about the states going against the fed, not slavery.
The states can [ignore] unconstitutional federal laws.
Then explain to me what you perceive to be "unconstitutional" about banning slavery and, following the "principle" of that answer, what you perceive to be "unconstitutional" about banning access by the general public-at-large to certain types of firearms for their own safety, you know, much like the Federal government imposed speed limitations, seat belt laws, and restricted the use of certain chemicals and toxins in our foodstuffs, and any number of other Federally-backed restrictions/limitations oriented towaeds, basically, protecting us from ourselves.
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#103150 Mar 26, 2013
just an allusion wrote:
<quoted text>

<quoted text>
Got any proof of this, or is this just more anarchistic, anti-government propaganda?
<quoted text>
Hmmm... the 14th Amendment was also called the bayonet amendment. I wonder why, don't you?
Spocko

Oakland, CA

#103151 Mar 26, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
<quoted text>
Gee, most of the former military I know support my absurdities including the ones that shoot with me.
Go figure.
Birds of a feather ...
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#103152 Mar 26, 2013
just an allusion wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, and it was the whole reason for the Amendment because the suppression of some peoples' "inalienable...self evident" right to be treated as all others, given the all-too-obvious fact that "all men are created equal", was being violated by certain narrow-minded, small-brained, hate-mongering racists, though my point was that it is not solely up to the states to decide "social issues" as the Federal government has more than adequately been recognized as the leading authority in such matters.
<quoted text>


The irony here lies in the fact that one of the main purposes of the 14th Amendment was to allow freed slaves to travel from one state to another while armed.
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#103153 Mar 26, 2013
Spocko wrote:
<quoted text>
Birds of a feather ...


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