It's the Guns, Stupid

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Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

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AnnAgain

Oakland, CA

#103058 Mar 25, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yet Heller agrees that the right to keep and bear arms is an individual right not dependent on one being a member of a militia. Again the BOR merely secures pre-existing rights which the court in Cruikshank made clear.
As far as common sense goes that is rather subjective, don't you think? The court ruled 5 to 4 in Heller's favor. In your opinion did the majority or the minority use the most common sense?
The example was to show you that in the era that the amendment was written, the citizens often have more sophisticated arms than the military did.
I am making a dispassionate plea for the legalization of home ownership of
atomic weapons, based on the freedom to bear arms; the fact that that all
radioactive substances are well contained within the bomb casing itself
(i.e. no leakage); the obvious fact that it's not bombs that kill people,
but bombers; and the need for escalation in the war of protection.
I do not want to appeal to yours sense of charity or goodwill; these have
always been besides the point. Humans were meant to carry weapons;
the first tools of man and woman were hand-axes for smiting the enemy,
and, were it not for these tools, the most intelligent of our species
might already have been killed, tortured, maimed. It is weapons, in other
words, that keep us free, giving us the ability to say whatever we please.
And as it has been pointed out, over and over again, if it were not for
people like me, the rest of you would be enslaved forever.
Private ownership of atomic weaponry in the United States would give us a
competitive edge on others who would take away our freedom! And we cannot
assume our armed forces will protect us everywhere in this huge land of
ours; the dispersion of weaponry would ensure that we could fight along
with them, tooth and nail. It was Darwin who pointed out that the strongest
among us are those with the will to survive, acquiring atomic weaponry
at almost any cost, as guaranteed in our Declaration of Independence
(last part, near the signatures).
Remember: It is bombers who kill, not bombs. There is no reason whatsoever,
logical or illogical, that advanced weapons should not be made
available to the general public. The number of bombs in the entire United
States probably amounts to about four or five demented individuals, who
could not afford even a handgun, much less something on the order of
100,000 kilotons. So I urge you: Write your congressman (forget the women)
or better yet: write the United Nations (United Nations, 1 United Nations
Plaza, New York City). If we all do this, both buyers and sellers will
emerge out of the darkness, and our government will capitulate to what,
after all, is our right and our inheritance.

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#103059 Mar 25, 2013
Where were the guns, Stupid?http://www.pressconnect s.com/article/20130325/NEWS01/ 303250025
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#103060 Mar 25, 2013
AnnAgain wrote:
<quoted text>
I am making a dispassionate plea for the legalization of home ownership of
atomic weapons, based on the freedom to bear arms; the fact that that all
radioactive substances are well contained within the bomb casing itself
(i.e. no leakage); the obvious fact that it's not bombs that kill people,
but bombers; and the need for escalation in the war of protection.
I do not want to appeal to yours sense of charity or goodwill; these have
always been besides the point. Humans were meant to carry weapons;
the first tools of man and woman were hand-axes for smiting the enemy,
and, were it not for these tools, the most intelligent of our species
might already have been killed, tortured, maimed. It is weapons, in other
words, that keep us free, giving us the ability to say whatever we please.
And as it has been pointed out, over and over again, if it were not for
people like me, the rest of you would be enslaved forever.
Private ownership of atomic weaponry in the United States would give us a
competitive edge on others who would take away our freedom! And we cannot
assume our armed forces will protect us everywhere in this huge land of
ours; the dispersion of weaponry would ensure that we could fight along
with them, tooth and nail. It was Darwin who pointed out that the strongest
among us are those with the will to survive, acquiring atomic weaponry
at almost any cost, as guaranteed in our Declaration of Independence
(last part, near the signatures).
Remember: It is bombers who kill, not bombs. There is no reason whatsoever,
logical or illogical, that advanced weapons should not be made
available to the general public. The number of bombs in the entire United
States probably amounts to about four or five demented individuals, who
could not afford even a handgun, much less something on the order of
100,000 kilotons. So I urge you: Write your congressman (forget the women)
or better yet: write the United Nations (United Nations, 1 United Nations
Plaza, New York City). If we all do this, both buyers and sellers will
emerge out of the darkness, and our government will capitulate to what,
after all, is our right and our inheritance.


Sounds great but the court consider the "arms"of the 2nd Amendment those weapons normally carried by a soldier and last time I checked atomic weapons weren't on that list.
AnnAgain

Oakland, CA

#103061 Mar 25, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
<quoted text>
Sounds great but the court consider the "arms"of the 2nd Amendment those weapons normally carried by a soldier and last time I checked atomic weapons weren't on that list.
The 2nd amendment lists weapons? Who dropped you humorless idiot on your empty head?

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#103062 Mar 25, 2013
AnnAgain wrote:
<quoted text>
I am making a dispassionate plea for the legalization of home ownership of
atomic weapons, based on the freedom to bear arms; the fact that that all
radioactive substances are well contained within the bomb casing itself
(i.e. no leakage); the obvious fact that it's not bombs that kill people,
but bombers; and the need for escalation in the war of protection.
I do not want to appeal to yours sense of charity or goodwill; these have
always been besides the point. Humans were meant to carry weapons;
the first tools of man and woman were hand-axes for smiting the enemy,
and, were it not for these tools, the most intelligent of our species
might already have been killed, tortured, maimed. It is weapons, in other
words, that keep us free, giving us the ability to say whatever we please.
And as it has been pointed out, over and over again, if it were not for
people like me, the rest of you would be enslaved forever.
Private ownership of atomic weaponry in the United States would give us a
competitive edge on others who would take away our freedom! And we cannot
assume our armed forces will protect us everywhere in this huge land of
ours; the dispersion of weaponry would ensure that we could fight along
with them, tooth and nail. It was Darwin who pointed out that the strongest
among us are those with the will to survive, acquiring atomic weaponry
at almost any cost, as guaranteed in our Declaration of Independence
(last part, near the signatures).
Remember: It is bombers who kill, not bombs. There is no reason whatsoever,
logical or illogical, that advanced weapons should not be made
available to the general public. The number of bombs in the entire United
States probably amounts to about four or five demented individuals, who
could not afford even a handgun, much less something on the order of
100,000 kilotons. So I urge you: Write your congressman (forget the women)
or better yet: write the United Nations (United Nations, 1 United Nations
Plaza, New York City). If we all do this, both buyers and sellers will
emerge out of the darkness, and our government will capitulate to what,
after all, is our right and our inheritance.
I know what you have spouted is the rantings of a madman and shouldn't be responded to but several relevant points need to be made to educate you to the reality of why we are all still here.
Humans were not born with tools and weapons strapped to their person yet they survived, not because of "weapons" but in spite of them simply because of evolution made them adapt to their enviroment quicker than any of the other species of man....It appears homo sapiens sapiens outlived the other species of humans because their bodies, eyes, ears noses etc adapted faster to their environment, even after the baby Ice age when the temperature altered by a whopping 6 degrees and they lost their original food source they adapted to find new ones and farm them to keep them alive, if they had not triumphed then none of us would be here today.....and all this without a weapons.....Go figure genius.
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#103065 Mar 25, 2013
AnnAgain wrote:
<quoted text>
The 2nd amendment lists weapons? Who dropped you humorless idiot on your empty head?
Easy there AnnAgain, you are just bitter because of everyone you know, you are the only person whose anti-depressants are prescribed by a proctologist.

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#103066 Mar 25, 2013

Since: Feb 13

United States

#103067 Mar 25, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
I know what you have spouted is the rantings of a madman and shouldn't be responded to but several relevant points need to be made to educate you to the reality of why we are all still here.
Humans were not born with tools and weapons strapped to their person yet they survived, not because of "weapons" but in spite of them simply because of evolution made them adapt to their enviroment quicker than any of the other species of man....It appears homo sapiens sapiens outlived the other species of humans because their bodies, eyes, ears noses etc adapted faster to their environment, even after the baby Ice age when the temperature altered by a whopping 6 degrees and they lost their original food source they adapted to find new ones and farm them to keep them alive, if they had not triumphed then none of us would be here today.....and all this without a weapons.....Go figure genius.
The ancient peoples did have weapons though, even the cave men, some were found on the 'ice man', ever heard of him. Sorry but I cant remember where he was found, he even had arrow heads in the pouch he was carrying. Off the subject a little bit, but still interesting, he had tatoos, so even that artform dates back to prehistoric times. I guess that ole saying is true, the more things change the more they stay the same.
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#103068 Mar 25, 2013
Ahomana wrote:


Way to go, Steve Lee.
Spocko

Oakland, CA

#103069 Mar 25, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
I know what you have spouted is the rantings of a madman and shouldn't be responded to but several relevant points need to be made to educate you to the reality of why we are all still here.
Humans were not born with tools and weapons strapped to their person yet they survived, not because of "weapons" but in spite of them simply because of evolution made them adapt to their enviroment quicker than any of the other species of man....It appears homo sapiens sapiens outlived the other species of humans because their bodies, eyes, ears noses etc adapted faster to their environment, even after the baby Ice age when the temperature altered by a whopping 6 degrees and they lost their original food source they adapted to find new ones and farm them to keep them alive, if they had not triumphed then none of us would be here today.....and all this without a weapons.....Go figure genius.
Good Lord man, get s sense of humor and while you're at get a life
Sir Bucking Fastard

UK

#103070 Mar 25, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
I know what you have spouted is the rantings of a madman and shouldn't be responded to but several relevant points need to be made to educate you to the reality of why we are all still here.
Humans were not born with tools and weapons strapped to their person yet they survived, not because of "weapons" but in spite of them simply because of evolution made them adapt to their enviroment quicker than any of the other species of man....It appears homo sapiens sapiens outlived the other species of humans because their bodies, eyes, ears noses etc adapted faster to their environment, even after the baby Ice age when the temperature altered by a whopping 6 degrees and they lost their original food source they adapted to find new ones and farm them to keep them alive, if they had not triumphed then none of us would be here today.....and all this without a weapons.....Go figure genius.
And THANK YOU for further exposing YOUR COMPLETE and TOTAL INVETERATE IGNORANCE!!!

You say that "Humans were not born with tools and weapons strapped to their person (sic)."

BUT, YOU COMPLETELY, and TOTALLY neglect to remark of that facility of which all humans are born: A BRAIN.

GOT BRAINS? No, YOU DO NOT!!

Well, if YOU do possess such, then YOU CERTAINLY DO NOT evince any such with your BLATHERING!!!

Since MOST humans (yourself not included, and that would explain much) have brains, then that matter of TOOLS is foremost, amongst which would be GUNS, KNIVES, and EXPLOSIVES!!!

So then, QUEEN OF STENCH (WHEW!!!) YOU once again have LOST YOUR ARGUMENT!!!

Now, GO AWAY!!! You make me retch!!
Boss Man

Oaxaca, Mexico

#103071 Mar 25, 2013
America was made with firearms! Americans love firearms. Our Founding Fathers kicked ass with firearm so we would not have to live under a tyrranical dictatorship like many countries do. When they rebel the wish they had firearms. Our Nation has been called upon by many countries in Great need of our firearms. Every citizen that does not have a firearm and needs a policeman is only calling a man with a gun because hes to stupid to keep and carry his own firearm. Americans will fight to keep their guns. Any American who does not want a gun is not required to keep one. Its a personal preference and would that should not be taken lightly. Its a God given inalienable right and we will keep our guns forever. Anyone who does not like an Armed Society should get on the first boat or plane and get the fuck outa Dodge. I hate control freaks! And i hate idiots who vote for the socialistic communist inspired bastards too.!

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#103072 Mar 25, 2013
crawlfish wrote:
<quoted text>The ancient peoples did have weapons though, even the cave men, some were found on the 'ice man', ever heard of him. Sorry but I cant remember where he was found, he even had arrow heads in the pouch he was carrying. Off the subject a little bit, but still interesting, he had tatoos, so even that artform dates back to prehistoric times. I guess that ole saying is true, the more things change the more they stay the same.
You and the those that ticked your post obviously didn't read my post correctly, if you go back and read it again you will realise that man live a long time without weapons and his survival in the beginning wasn't because of tools or weapons, especially bombs?....Sheesh educating people is soooo hard.

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#103073 Mar 25, 2013
Boss Man wrote:
America was made with firearms! Americans love firearms. Our Founding Fathers kicked ass with firearm so we would not have to live under a tyrranical dictatorship like many countries do. When they rebel the wish they had firearms. Our Nation has been called upon by many countries in Great need of our firearms. Every citizen that does not have a firearm and needs a policeman is only calling a man with a gun because hes to stupid to keep and carry his own firearm. Americans will fight to keep their guns. Any American who does not want a gun is not required to keep one. Its a personal preference and would that should not be taken lightly. Its a God given inalienable right and we will keep our guns forever. Anyone who does not like an Armed Society should get on the first boat or plane and get the fuck outa Dodge. I hate control freaks! And i hate idiots who vote for the socialistic communist inspired bastards too.!
No countries didn't call on you, you bullied your way there or sent your guns and bombs to creat havoc in their countries...Owning guns is not a god given right, if it is show me where it says that in any bible save the one in your mind. If you think that those who follow the law are wrong then move to get rid of your cops and soldiers and see how far you get with your gun...oops now all the anarchist have them....how long do you think YOU would last in such a lawless society...not long I am betting. You would not have a president or a country if the British hadn't given...yes, I said given it back to you...the British along with the Canadians had the president and his men on the run and had taken possession of the presidents mansion....You only got back your country and now white house through the generosity of the British and dare I say Canadian armies.....so how do you like them bickies buddy boy.

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#103074 Mar 25, 2013
Sir Bucking Fastard wrote:
<quoted text>
And THANK YOU for further exposing YOUR COMPLETE and TOTAL INVETERATE IGNORANCE!!!
You say that "Humans were not born with tools and weapons strapped to their person (sic)."
BUT, YOU COMPLETELY, and TOTALLY neglect to remark of that facility of which all humans are born: A BRAIN.
GOT BRAINS? No, YOU DO NOT!!
Well, if YOU do possess such, then YOU CERTAINLY DO NOT evince any such with your BLATHERING!!!
Since MOST humans (yourself not included, and that would explain much) have brains, then that matter of TOOLS is foremost, amongst which would be GUNS, KNIVES, and EXPLOSIVES!!!
So then, QUEEN OF STENCH (WHEW!!!) YOU once again have LOST YOUR ARGUMENT!!!
Now, GO AWAY!!! You make me retch!!
Well if most humans were born with a brain how come so many yanks missed out.. so they need guns?

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#103075 Mar 25, 2013
Spocko wrote:
<quoted text>
Good Lord man, get s sense of humor and while you're at get a life
I have clearly shown how wonderful and witty I am on a regular basis, I laugh at you backward yankee yokels daily....what more do you want? Now where is your sense of humor?

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#103076 Mar 25, 2013
Sir Bucking Fastard wrote:
<quoted text>
And THANK YOU for further exposing YOUR COMPLETE and TOTAL INVETERATE IGNORANCE!!!
You say that "Humans were not born with tools and weapons strapped to their person (sic)."
BUT, YOU COMPLETELY, and TOTALLY neglect to remark of that facility of which all humans are born: A BRAIN.
GOT BRAINS? No, YOU DO NOT!!
Well, if YOU do possess such, then YOU CERTAINLY DO NOT evince any such with your BLATHERING!!!
Since MOST humans (yourself not included, and that would explain much) have brains, then that matter of TOOLS is foremost, amongst which would be GUNS, KNIVES, and EXPLOSIVES!!!
So then, QUEEN OF STENCH (WHEW!!!) YOU once again have LOST YOUR ARGUMENT!!!
Now, GO AWAY!!! You make me retch!!
PS....you really shouldn't shout so much you will have a heart attack, you do have a heart don't you?
it is hard so tell because you yanks aren't normal in the normal sense....if you get my drift pacha!
Teaman

Mount Holly, NJ

#103077 Mar 25, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
No countries didn't call on you, you bullied your way there or sent your guns and bombs to creat havoc in their countries...Owning guns is not a god given right, if it is show me where it says that in any bible save the one in your mind. If you think that those who follow the law are wrong then move to get rid of your cops and soldiers and see how far you get with your gun...oops now all the anarchist have them....how long do you think YOU would last in such a lawless society...not long I am betting. You would not have a president or a country if the British hadn't given...yes, I said given it back to you...the British along with the Canadians had the president and his men on the run and had taken possession of the presidents mansion....You only got back your country and now white house through the generosity of the British and dare I say Canadian armies.....so how do you like them bickies buddy boy.
Short history... Yes, the Brits did burn Washington, but failed to take Baltimore. The Brits that came down from Canada were defeated at the battle of Plattsburgh. The Brits really got their clocks cleaned at the Battle of New Orleans, British killed-386, British wounded-1521, British missing-522. American killed-55, 185 wounded, 93 missing.
Teaman

Mount Holly, NJ

#103078 Mar 25, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
Ooops, looks like that dumb Canadian forgot where his money came from.

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#103079 Mar 25, 2013
Teaman wrote:
<quoted text>
Short history... Yes, the Brits did burn Washington, but failed to take Baltimore. The Brits that came down from Canada were defeated at the battle of Plattsburgh. The Brits really got their clocks cleaned at the Battle of New Orleans, British killed-386, British wounded-1521, British missing-522. American killed-55, 185 wounded, 93 missing.
I know your history well enough to know the British took the presidents mansion and he Madison fled with his troops...the british returned to their ships to continue the ongoing war with Napoleon...so the Americans had to negotiate to get it back....that is the point I was making Teaman, that the Yanks didn't reign militarily supreme as they believe, the If the Brits had wanted to us their military might to control them they would have been controlled, hell even the Canadians out did them in those days because of their British alliance...The British truly couldn't be bothered hanging on to your country, they had bigger fish to fry else you would all be singing god save the Queen.:)

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