It's the Guns, Stupid

It's the Guns, Stupid

There are 103292 comments on the Truthdig story from Apr 20, 2007, titled It's the Guns, Stupid. In it, Truthdig reports that:

“And that's the end of the issue”

Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

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“REFUSE ALL IMITATIONS!!”

Since: Jan 11

Australia

#102298 Mar 6, 2013
I'll try to correct the tabs this time and hope the server lets me.:))
Ahomana wrote:
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A: Gun grabs were not the reason for the buy back and using your nouse you are well aware of the reason and truth behind it..What you are stating is pure gun owning paranoia that is clearly the result of brainwashing and more the concerns over losing the guns whatever the logic or force behind it, than the reality of an attempt to save the community the horror of Port Arthur....bad form there Adelaidean.
Bad form? Wasn't it "bad form" of the government to allow a situation whereby the retarded likes of Bryant got hold of guns in the first place? We're back to background checks and failure of enforcement.

(where have I heard that theme before?:))

Since Hoddle Street some classes of gun were called in on Amnesty. Two of those guns duly handed in by a responsible owner somehow then found their way into the hands of someone would use them differently ... Bryant. There was a rush to cover up that scandal with undignified haste.
GoGoBar

Thailand

#102299 Mar 6, 2013
You have to wonder at the NSW Shooters and their Council. After blackmailing the Parliament to allow the unpopular Electricity Bill thru in exchange for Hunting in National Parks, the first hunt had to be delayed because of a criminal investigation into malfeance by the officials of the Council.
Even the Council officers could not keep within their own legislation.
WTF is gonna happen when the Amatuers are let loose.
What an utter goatfck.

Since: Dec 10

Geraldton, Australia

#102300 Mar 6, 2013
_0rion_ wrote:
<quoted text>
And that also goes for anyone bringing guns into Australia just incase you decide to get pedantic about it.
Any gun brought into Australia must be registered.
If someone brings a gun into Australia that's not registered they are not abiding by the law.
How many unregistered guns are in australia....How many do you think are owned by those who don't have a police record? Just in case you get pedantic about the law abiding thingy!

Since: Dec 10

Geraldton, Australia

#102301 Mar 6, 2013
Marauder wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah...cause I won't bend in the face of some ignorant, lying, POS, "frustrated control freak"...woman...that is so blinded by her own hatred, she can't even think straight.
Oh...and I just love showing how stupid you are and the lies you tell...that's fun too.
You are a neanderthal because you are a pig, sexist pig mysoginistic pig and a verbally abussive pig that would be more suited to the grunts of cave men than any form of educated civilisation...you MALE piece of shit....:)

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#102302 Mar 6, 2013
Teaman wrote:
Now that I think of it, I believe NY requires handgun registration.
There are others including California and many require gun safety classes before issuing a permit.

“REFUSE ALL IMITATIONS!!”

Since: Jan 11

Australia

#102303 Mar 6, 2013
Marauder wrote:
<quoted text>
Most of the gun owners on here don't live under the laws that "require" registration of our guns. That must be the government of some other "controlling" country.
True. With only 8 States or Territories our Federal Government has an easier time playing the "Big Fish in a Small Pond" administratively.

Anyway, Registration is itself overrated, as one Australian firearm owner found to his grievous cost:

"One robbery victim had eight guns stolen within months of being audited by police and his new address added to the registry.

"I was audited in May last year and robbed in October. I had eight weapons stolen from a secure safe," the victim said."

Full story: http://tinyurl.com/7qgkccp
Ahomona is a retard

Vilnius, Lithuania

#102304 Mar 6, 2013
Ahomona is a fat lazy loud mouth know-it-all idiot who is addicted to welfare.
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“REFUSE ALL IMITATIONS!!”

Since: Jan 11

Australia

#102305 Mar 6, 2013
Ahomona is a retard wrote:
Ahomona is a fat lazy loud mouth know-it-all idiot who is addicted to welfare.
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/australia/T2...

Since: Dec 10

Geraldton, Australia

#102307 Mar 7, 2013
Teaman wrote:
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The tea party didn't exist then. Some groups had there beginnings under Bush when he bailed out Wall St. and the auto manufacturers. They began to organize after the Santelli rant in '09 against bailing out mortgages.
There is a lot of controversy about Saddam attempting to obtain yellow cake to this day. I suppose we'll never really know. The thing is, there was no declaration of war by a [informed] congress.
I was understanding the tea party has been around since god was a boy....not in the context it is now but around never the less....

There can be as much controversy as they like but you don't go to war on say so(hang on yes we bloody did) one mistake is enough and if there is controversy surrounding the possibility of Hussien trying to buy yellow cake this long after the event.....it is just those trying to justify their fault in the whole damn mess and keep the idiots on their side. What they should say with the all the actual evidence is simply that America used us all....and that is that we have learnt from it and faced up to our part in it....why can't you yanks after all you were the ones that started it all....we have the proof.

“Topix is lowlife scum with no”

Since: Jun 12

respect for anyone...

#102308 Mar 7, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
How many unregistered guns are in australia....How many do you think are owned by those who don't have a police record? Just in case you get pedantic about the law abiding thingy!
Don't know and don't know.

The point that you're too ignorant to see is if someone is doing something illegal they are not a law abiding citizen.
It doesn't matter whether they have a criminal record or not.
If they obey the law they are law abiding, if they don't they're not.

Using your stupid logic anyone who doesn't have a criminal record who commits criminal offenses is not a criminal because they don't have a record.
The reality is they are criminals, they just haven't been caught yet.

Since: Dec 10

Geraldton, Australia

#102309 Mar 7, 2013
_0rion_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't know and don't know.
The point that you're too ignorant to see is if someone is doing something illegal they are not a law abiding citizen.
It doesn't matter whether they have a criminal record or not.
If they obey the law they are law abiding, if they don't they're not.
Using your stupid logic anyone who doesn't have a criminal record who commits criminal offenses is not a criminal because they don't have a record.
The reality is they are criminals, they just haven't been caught yet.
Oh so you are saying everyone should be classed as a criminal even though they don't have a record? LOL....well done dick....
GoGoBar

Thailand

#102310 Mar 7, 2013
_0rion_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't know and don't know.
The point that you're too ignorant to see is if someone is doing something illegal they are not a law abiding citizen.
It doesn't matter whether they have a criminal record or not.
If they obey the law they are law abiding, if they don't they're not.
Using your stupid logic anyone who doesn't have a criminal record who commits criminal offenses is not a criminal because they don't have a record.
The reality is they are criminals, they just haven't been caught yet.
That is exactly why Police issue permits in all advanced countries.
References are required.
Approval by a certified gun club(packed with army and Police)
etc...etc...etc...

Now if you want to buy a black market semi auto Glock or similar say goodbye to 5-10K$.

No wonder we have such a low murder rate.

Since: Dec 10

Geraldton, Australia

#102311 Mar 7, 2013
_0rion_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't know and don't know.
The point that you're too ignorant to see is if someone is doing something illegal they are not a law abiding citizen.
It doesn't matter whether they have a criminal record or not.
If they obey the law they are law abiding, if they don't they're not.
Using your stupid logic anyone who doesn't have a criminal record who commits criminal offenses is not a criminal because they don't have a record.
The reality is they are criminals, they just haven't been caught yet.
PS: Better go grab everyone on the planet and put them in jail then....ROTFLMFAO.

“Topix is lowlife scum with no”

Since: Jun 12

respect for anyone...

#102312 Mar 7, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh so you are saying everyone should be classed as a criminal even though they don't have a record? LOL....well done dick....
Not at all.
But you're saying someone breaking the law is a law abiding citizen unless they have a prior record.
Pretty stupid attitude that one, though I guess for you that's nothing unusual or new.

“Topix is lowlife scum with no”

Since: Jun 12

respect for anyone...

#102313 Mar 7, 2013
GoGoBar wrote:
<quoted text>
That is exactly why Police issue permits in all advanced countries.
References are required.
Approval by a certified gun club(packed with army and Police)
etc...etc...etc...
Now if you want to buy a black market semi auto Glock or similar say goodbye to 5-10K$.
No wonder we have such a low murder rate.
Haven't read the previous posts I take it?
If you had you'd notice that not all advanced countries require permits or references.
Since when have gun clubs been packed with Army & Police?

“Topix is lowlife scum with no”

Since: Jun 12

respect for anyone...

#102314 Mar 7, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
PS: Better go grab everyone on the planet and put them in jail then....ROTFLMFAO.
Ok, we'll start with you.
That's a good easy way to make Australia a better place.
GoGoBar

Thailand

#102315 Mar 7, 2013
_0rion_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Haven't read the previous posts I take it?
If you had you'd notice that not all advanced countries require permits or references.
Since when have gun clubs been packed with Army & Police?
Why bother reading posts based on semantics. "You said this and I said that"
Strict firearm regulation works.
Police dont just keep records of convictions, they also keep incident reports shared between various police and Govt.departments.
No Army and Police officers at Gun Clubs? Perhaps not "packed", but there nonetheless.
Name one advanced country that does not require permits? The USA? Well lad, that is exactly the path Australia is not going down.
Ahomona is a retard

Vilnius, Lithuania

#102316 Mar 7, 2013
GoGoBar wrote:
<quoted text>
Why bother reading posts based on semantics. "You said this and I said that"
Strict firearm regulation works.
Police dont just keep records of convictions, they also keep incident reports shared between various police and Govt.departments.
No Army and Police officers at Gun Clubs? Perhaps not "packed", but there nonetheless.
Name one advanced country that does not require permits? The USA? Well lad, that is exactly the path Australia is not going down.
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