It's the Guns, Stupid

It's the Guns, Stupid

There are 103340 comments on the Truthdig story from Apr 20, 2007, titled It's the Guns, Stupid. In it, Truthdig reports that:

“And that's the end of the issue”

Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

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Guppy

Englewood, FL

#102263 Mar 6, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
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Yes we did, and we gave sympathy and support and aid to a country that had just suffered a great shock and tragedy after 911, that is what good friends do, we know this, America does not!.....No one would have expected their compassion and aid would be abussed by a calculated and cold hearted American government who was willing to use the events of all those killed at 911 to attack an innocent country and kill, they lied....Fool me once!
Very true.
Ahomona is a retard

Ignalina, Lithuania

#102265 Mar 6, 2013
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Ahomona is a retard

Ignalina, Lithuania

#102266 Mar 6, 2013
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Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#102267 Mar 6, 2013
The ADELAIDEAN wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>According to that logic the government must have found itself short of guns, so it conducted buybacks and amnesties to re-stock its arsenal. Right?
If not, then why did it stage its grabs for guns? Weren't those grabs more about disarming citizens ... regardless of 'government arsenal'?
And if a government can grab once, it can grab again. Right?
A: NO, no and no.
If so, then we've circumnavigated a 'Red Herring' and come full circle back to my previous observation that a rogue government could find guns collectively stored at Clubs a convenient grab. TOO convenient.:)
A: Gun grabs were not the reason for the buy back and using your nouse you are well aware of the reason and truth behind it..What you are stating is pure gun owning paranoia that is clearly the result of brainwashing and more the concerns over losing the guns whatever the logic or force behind it, than the reality of an attempt to save the community the horror of Port Arthur....bad form there Adelaidean.

All fully targeted by existing legislation!!... which however is not adequately staffed or enforced.(where have I heard that theme before?:))
A: Yes you have, but there is some truth in that. The rest of it is nonsense with no justification to attack a government that allowed you to keep your guns, just not those that can kill en masse so it was not an across the board ban or confiscation it was giving you something to get all the guns off the street that either people no longer wanted or that were part of the high powered ones that were banned. In truth if the government was gun grabbing they didn't need to ask your permission or pay you a cent....they did that to show gun owners there was no need to feel threatened...and that only worked on the sane.:)
Ahomona is a retard

Ignalina, Lithuania

#102268 Mar 6, 2013
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Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#102269 Mar 6, 2013
Teaman wrote:
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That isn't any different than what I said. Were you agreeing with me?
I beleive the answer is yes.

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#102271 Mar 6, 2013
Teaman wrote:
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Exactly. I might add a government that invaded a country and over through its leader without a declaration of war as per the constitution. That would be limited federal power also a tea party platform.
And where was the Tea parties voice of dissent....it could not be heard by American.....so did they open their mouths to object at all against the government and their lies at all? The answer to that is written in history, there were but a few brave Americans that shouted lies, and they were touted as traitors by the American public...I hope it gave them some satisfaction to know they were proved right and your government and the rest of your brainwashed citizens were left not trusted by your allies and with egg on your face...include your Tea party among the naysayers.
Guppy

Englewood, FL

#102272 Mar 6, 2013
Spocko wrote:
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That is how it's being done without National Healthcare, it is know as “last resort medical treatment”!, at a cost of 60 billion a year to the taxpayer, people without insurance are charged at a much higher rate than those covered by insurance!
I don't know if we are talking about the same thing. I'm talking about people who don't have insurance AND don't have the money to pay either. Don't know if hospitals write it off as a loss.
Guppy

Englewood, FL

#102273 Mar 6, 2013
Teaman wrote:
<quoted text>
Other than allegedly gun legislation? The name of the forum is, It's the Guns Stupid.
But, if you must, read up on NDAA and the Patriot Act.
I can see this could turn into a who's on first, what's on second sketch.
Why didn't you answer the question?

Give up?

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#102274 Mar 6, 2013
Guppy wrote:
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I don't know if we are talking about the same thing. I'm talking about people who don't have insurance AND don't have the money to pay either. Don't know if hospitals write it off as a loss.
A question if you will.....wouldn't your government cover the very poor through taxes?

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#102275 Mar 6, 2013
Ahomona is a retard wrote:
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You are not helping global warming at all ....some idiot that is moderating this site should have limited your spamming bullshit to I post a day and let the intelligents like MOI and a few others do the hard yards. While I am at it, have your relatives breeding resulted in any dork above the IQ of -30 points, we all know you didn't.....hehehe
Ahomona is a retard

Ignalina, Lithuania

#102276 Mar 6, 2013
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Guppy

Englewood, FL

#102277 Mar 6, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
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A question if you will.....wouldn't your government cover the very poor through taxes?
A CPA once told me hospitals write it off as a loss, but that was 20 years ago and maybe things have changed.

? If you are on Welfare, the government pays.??

I'm talking about someone that works and gets no government assistance and goes to the ER and doesn't make enough to pay for it.

Whatever...

“Topix is lowlife scum with no”

Since: Jun 12

respect for anyone...

#102278 Mar 6, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
mind you in saying that there are still a lot of unregistered guns in Australia bought in by law abiding citizens
Someone who buys an unregistered gun is not a law abiding citizen.
Ahomona is a retard

Ignalina, Lithuania

#102279 Mar 6, 2013
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Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#102280 Mar 6, 2013
_0rion_ wrote:
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Someone who buys an unregistered gun is not a law abiding citizen.
Well you should tell that to most of the gun owners on this site...

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#102281 Mar 6, 2013
Ahomona is a retard wrote:
Ahomona is a fat lazy loud mouth know-it-all idiot who is addicted to welfare.
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Ahomona is a fat lazy loud mouth know-it-all idiot who is addicted to welfare.
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Ahomona is a fat lazy loud mouth know-it-all idiot who is addicted to welfare.
Ahomona is a fat lazy loud mouth know-it-all idiot who is addicted to welfare
You are a bit of a slow learner retard! LOL
Teaman

Mount Holly, NJ

#102282 Mar 6, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
And where was the Tea parties voice of dissent....it could not be heard by American.....so did they open their mouths to object at all against the government and their lies at all? The answer to that is written in history, there were but a few brave Americans that shouted lies, and they were touted as traitors by the American public...I hope it gave them some satisfaction to know they were proved right and your government and the rest of your brainwashed citizens were left not trusted by your allies and with egg on your face...include your Tea party among the naysayers.
The tea party didn't exist then. Some groups had there beginnings under Bush when he bailed out Wall St. and the auto manufacturers. They began to organize after the Santelli rant in '09 against bailing out mortgages.

There is a lot of controversy about Saddam attempting to obtain yellow cake to this day. I suppose we'll never really know. The thing is, there was no declaration of war by a [informed] congress.

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#102283 Mar 6, 2013
Guppy wrote:
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A CPA once told me hospitals write it off as a loss, but that was 20 years ago and maybe things have changed.
? If you are on Welfare, the government pays.??
I'm talking about someone that works and gets no government assistance and goes to the ER and doesn't make enough to pay for it.
Whatever...
Your hospitals must have some very rich benefactors seeing the rising costs of medical these days.....
I am also talking about those that are the poorest of the poor.....and goes to ER...it is still a high cost to bear as a ongoing health provider.
Teaman

Mount Holly, NJ

#102284 Mar 6, 2013
Guppy wrote:
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Why didn't you answer the question?
Give up?
I did answer. Read up on the NDAA and the Patriot Act. The Patriot Act involves wire taping without a search warrant.

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