It's the Guns, Stupid

It's the Guns, Stupid

There are 103324 comments on the Truthdig story from Apr 20, 2007, titled It's the Guns, Stupid. In it, Truthdig reports that:

“And that's the end of the issue”

Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

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Since: Feb 11

March, UK

#99968 Feb 13, 2013
The ADELAIDEAN wrote:
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I would say that the meanings of 'alert' and 'vigilant' are interchangeable.
I would add that situational usage would make 'alert' the word more likely to be hollered by officers in the noise of battle because its very sound is more forceful, it has fewer syllables and is more amenable loud and carrying utterance.
But that is peripheral.
In all other respects I would equate the conceptual thrust 'alert' and 'vigilant'.
I know some gentlemen that allways insisted on a difference between the two, however I will except your view, as would most people.

I don't know if we are now moving on, but I may have to go out shortly. In which case I would have to reply to part B at a later time.

By the way, of the few hours you sleep, what percentage would you call quality time ?

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#99969 Feb 13, 2013
sairla wrote:
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Do you believe that HollybytheSea fits the profile of a troll - someone who posts only to disrupt others, is abusive, often obscene and intimidating? I think if you are going to call someone a troll then you must have some evidence of that and I certainly haven't seen any.
I respond to most people on here as if they don't really exist as a persona outside of this Forum...because I don't believe they do, it is not reality else the debating would reflect that, and it doesn't....ie: most people excluding leaders try to find common ground where they can co exist...that doesn't happen on this forum....I am on a gardening, political, painting, computer and general forum outside of Topix and none of them are as un restricted false or as negative as this site accept the most obvious ones.
So what am I doing here?....I have an opinion and I like to vent in heated debate because it is often envigorating even if I am talking to a computer generated game, nothing more or less and to do that on any other real forum where those people are clearly their persona would be detrimentle to them and me...I believe Holly does not exist outside of her fake persona like "most of those" on this site it is mostly governed by the Topix puppeteers and stirrers, and I treat it accordingly, as a bit of fun and a disconnect from reality....as it is....Now I am off to get started on another painting....

“REFUSE ALL IMITATIONS!!”

Since: Jan 11

Australia

#99970 Feb 13, 2013
spider1954 wrote:
<quoted text>
I know some gentlemen that allways insisted on a difference between the two, however I will except your view, as would most people.
It seems then that we can agree that a single meaning can be conveyed by more than one choice of words.
spider1954 wrote:
I don't know if we are now moving on, but I may have to go out shortly. In which case I would have to reply to part B at a later time.
There's no rush.:)

In the meantime let's review what we seem to have so far:

By your own acknowledgement you recall at least something of a past conversation but are no longer certain of the words actually used.

What you do retain however is some approximation of an idea exchanged.

To help you further, this is the actual conversation that you retain some imperfect memory of:

The salient passage being:

"Almost all mammals, avian, reptiles, etc., are on alert for most of their waking moments."
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/australia/TI...

The arguable equivalent was own own re-wording of it:

"Most creatures are vigilant most of their conscious life"

This was done to provide you with an opportunity to recall a *meaning* exchanged, but leaving it to your own memory resources to recall / endorse / dispute the actual words used.

It seems that you were able to recall the essential *meaning* exchanged at the time, better at least than you were able to recall verbatim.

Does that appraisal seem acceptable to you?:)
spider1954 wrote:
By the way, of the few hours you sleep, what percentage would you call quality time ?
Who said I sleep few hours?:)

“REFUSE ALL IMITATIONS!!”

Since: Jan 11

Australia

#99971 Feb 13, 2013
* my own re-wording.

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#99972 Feb 13, 2013
spider1954 wrote:
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Perhaps it's a world wide conspiracy against Aho :-)
Smarter people than you have found that to be true in the most unlikely places like the Catholic church sexual abuse conspiracy(who would have believed it?) eh....I am sure that if you try you would be able to list one.....so never say never. BTW a guy like you not to believe in conspiracies is rare.....and almost unbelievable.
Guppy

Bloomfield Hills, MI

#99973 Feb 13, 2013
spider1954 wrote:
<quoted text>
You could allways purchase,,,ahhh now lets see,,,a desert eagle,,some nice paint and transfers from a craft shop,,,create your own custom made,,,job done.
Excellent idea. Heading out now to find everything. Thank you!

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#99974 Feb 13, 2013
OURC wrote:
You take guns away from law abbiding citezens, only the kooks will have them. they either steat them or get them on black market.It's not the gun that kills,i've been around guns 66 years and I never saw a gun get up and shoot anyone. It's the nut holding the gun is what you got to watch.
Too late! the Kooks already have them and they ARE law abiding citizens....
Guppy

Bloomfield Hills, MI

#99975 Feb 13, 2013
spider1954 wrote:
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Now that is dissapointing, but look on the bright side,, this could be an excellent business opportunity for a female entrepreneur, in fact you could manufacture and outlet a wide range of goods to the ladys.
Very funny and a brilliant idea. I will give it some thought.

Thank you.
Guppy

Bloomfield Hills, MI

#99976 Feb 13, 2013
Who knew Spidey was so personable?

If you live long enough.......How does that go?
could it be

Australia

#99977 Feb 13, 2013
The ADELAIDEAN wrote:
<quoted text>
I would say that the meanings of 'alert' and 'vigilant' are interchangeable.
I would add that situational usage would make 'alert' the word more likely to be hollered by officers in the noise of battle because its very sound is more forceful, it has fewer syllables and is more amenable loud and carrying utterance.
But that is peripheral.
In all other respects I would equate the conceptual thrust 'alert' and 'vigilant'.
I beg to disagree with the concept of mere peripheral difference;
'vigilant' is used in a more pasive expression.'ALERT!' carries a sense of urgency on the action.
--- you can relax but be vigilant.
--- stay alert! at all times, an attack is imminent.

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#99978 Feb 13, 2013
HollybytheSea wrote:
<quoted text>You debate exactly like Aho, "yes I did, no I didn't" and all in the same post. If you were a female I'd think you were twins or one in the same. The debate started several weeks ago and was in a thread that I forgot about. Sue me, kill me, and shoot me 3 times with a gun pointed at your head. Over and out!
PS: Next time you try to debate me I suggest you put your brain in drive before running your mouth.
Oh....contraire! Clutching at straws because he proved you wrong and so did I, so you liken us?....You are not willing to admit your mistake, so this makes you the one who is running off with the mouth now. Accept your fault and move on..don't keep trying to justify the unjustifiable...you look like a noong.

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#99979 Feb 13, 2013
Teaman wrote:
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You like our Fuhrer?
That is a bigoted remark about your President....If he were a Fuhrer you and the NRA would be in concentration camps by now...no you say, you are living a free life and have access to weapons easily available on every street corner....and you get to speak out about it yet you are still alive.....funny, it just goes to show how clueless paranoid delusionalists you gun supporters are....

“REFUSE ALL IMITATIONS!!”

Since: Jan 11

Australia

#99980 Feb 13, 2013
could it be wrote:
<quoted text>
I beg to disagree with the concept of mere peripheral difference;
'vigilant' is used in a more pasive expression.'ALERT!' carries a sense of urgency on the action.
--- you can relax but be vigilant.
--- stay alert! at all times, an attack is imminent.
Yet "watchful" could be a link that puts them both in a shared conceptual ballpark. As I said before, values like "for all practical purposes" or "no material difference" acknowledge a practical closeness. It's an interesting side-issue but it is not where I'm headed with this.
could it be

Australia

#99981 Feb 13, 2013
could it be wrote:
<quoted text>
I beg to disagree with the concept of mere peripheral difference;
'vigilant' is used in a more pasive expression.'ALERT!' carries a sense of urgency on the action.
--- you can relax but be vigilant.
--- stay alert! at all times, an attack is imminent.
And so, Americans defend what they see a god given right to carry guns because they believe they have to be "vigilant" about eacch other.
And because of this, they have to be "alert" at all times, because this guns are being used in mass shootings.
GoGoBar

Hua Hin, Thailand

#99982 Feb 13, 2013
We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.
Ahomona fat ugly turd

Krasnoyarsk, Russia

#99983 Feb 13, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
That is a bigoted remark about your President....If he were a Fuhrer you and the NRA would be in concentration camps by now...no you say, you are living a free life and have access to weapons easily available on every street corner....and you get to speak out about it yet you are still alive.....funny, it just goes to show how clueless paranoid delusionalists you gun supporters are....
Does coming here to this site and making your self appear even less intelligent make you feel better about being fat and ugly piece of shit that shouldnt even be alive ?

Since: Feb 11

March, UK

#99984 Feb 13, 2013
The ADELAIDEAN wrote:
<quoted text>
It seems then that we can agree that a single meaning can be conveyed by more than one choice of words.
<quoted text>
There's no rush.:)
In the meantime let's review what we seem to have so far:
By your own acknowledgement you recall at least something of a past conversation but are no longer certain of the words actually used.
What you do retain however is some approximation of an idea exchanged.
To help you further, this is the actual conversation that you retain some imperfect memory of:
The salient passage being:
"Almost all mammals, avian, reptiles, etc., are on alert for most of their waking moments."
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/australia/TI...
The arguable equivalent was own own re-wording of it:
"Most creatures are vigilant most of their conscious life"
This was done to provide you with an opportunity to recall a *meaning* exchanged, but leaving it to your own memory resources to recall / endorse / dispute the actual words used.
It seems that you were able to recall the essential *meaning* exchanged at the time, better at least than you were able to recall verbatim.
Does that appraisal seem acceptable to you?:)
<quoted text>
Who said I sleep few hours?:)
You may feel that substituting one word for another when they appear similar is satisfactory, however in the case of important documents, this does not suffice.

Since: Feb 11

March, UK

#99985 Feb 13, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
Smarter people than you have found that to be true in the most unlikely places like the Catholic church sexual abuse conspiracy(who would have believed it?) eh....I am sure that if you try you would be able to list one.....so never say never. BTW a guy like you not to believe in conspiracies is rare.....and almost unbelievable.
I wasn't in the least bit surprised regarding the catholic church.

There are more conspiracies than pebbles on a beach.

What made you think I would believe otherwise ?

Since: Feb 11

March, UK

#99986 Feb 13, 2013
Guppy wrote:
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Excellent idea. Heading out now to find everything. Thank you!
My pleasure,,glad I could help.

Since: Feb 11

March, UK

#99987 Feb 13, 2013
Guppy wrote:
<quoted text>
Very funny and a brilliant idea. I will give it some thought.
Thank you.
If you care to put a business plan together along with projected profits, I would consider after discussions the possibility of financial backing, for say,,, 40% of the profit. I have some expierience in the appropriate market.

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