It's the Guns, Stupid

It's the Guns, Stupid

There are 103299 comments on the Truthdig story from Apr 20, 2007, titled It's the Guns, Stupid. In it, Truthdig reports that:

“And that's the end of the issue”

Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

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rider

Marquette, MI

#83252 Nov 28, 2012
The NRA is supplying weapons of mass destruction to anyone that wants to commit a mass killing. And worse yet, they are like the Italian mafia, in that they have corrupted the U.S. politicians.
rider

Marquette, MI

#83253 Nov 28, 2012
According to FBI and Justice Dept. sources, in 2007 “self defense” claims were used by people charged with crimes involving a shooting in more than 5,000 cases nationwide, including murders and felony assault with a deadly weapon. Courts agreed the defendants – are you sitting down –acted in self-defense fewer than 250 times. In other words, of the known 5,000 cases, at least 4,750 shootings had nothing to do with self-defense. Only a terrorist organization would be as sanguine about rampant murder of innocent Americans as Levy and his cronies at the Cato Institute and NRA.
rider

Marquette, MI

#83254 Nov 28, 2012
every time you see an NRA member, remind them they belong to a terrorist organization that has the blood of tens of thousands of Americans and Mexicans on their hands - See more at: http://www.laprogressive.com/the-nra-has-the-...

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#83255 Nov 29, 2012
Just another law abiding citizen with a gun at the ready in Florida who just shot an unarmed black kid...Yep you law abiding gun owners are all sane till you go bananas, the kid must have attempted to shoot him with his finger...crazy gun owning lunatics.

http://news.yahoo.com/shooting-death-black-te...

Since: Oct 11

Location hidden

#83257 Nov 29, 2012
Teaman wrote:
"Really? Then can you name even ONE other president in history that was demanded to show his birth cert?"
Chester Arthur.
Shown or not, it's written into the Constitution. It's a safeguard so those not Born American cannot lead the Country. Like Immigration Law, it's to protect the Country. An example would be, for instance, that if Mexico decided to mass migrate and tipping the balance to win, by vote, a mexican candidate whose goal was to expand Mexico. Or any other country.

It should be automatic that ANY Presidential Candidate meet the criteria to become President. Whether it's an issue or not it should be checked and verified. I can't believe that no one in Congress might have heard a rumor and did nothing.

If the gov't doesn't follow what's set forth by law, we don't have a chance. Seems a person applying for a job at walmart goes thru a better background check than the president does.

Tray

Tupelo, MS

#83258 Nov 29, 2012
rider wrote:
According to FBI and Justice Dept. sources, in 2007 “self defense” claims were used by people charged with crimes involving a shooting in more than 5,000 cases nationwide, including murders and felony assault with a deadly weapon. Courts agreed the defendants – are you sitting down –acted in self-defense fewer than 250 times. In other words, of the known 5,000 cases, at least 4,750 shootings had nothing to do with self-defense. Only a terrorist organization would be as sanguine about rampant murder of innocent Americans as Levy and his cronies at the Cato Institute and NRA.
Typical liberal, you can't make a case with the truth so you lie. You twist the numbers to make them seam to favor your argument. Guns are used more than 2 million times per year for defense, most of the time they are never fired. The 5000 number you quote is those CHARGED but being as most self defense shootings are self defense the shooter is rarely CHARGED, you left that part out. Those CHARGED are those who law enforcement has evidence that it was NOT self defense. Anyone can claim self defense even some person who comes into your home at 1:00 am and cuts your head off with an ax but it will not fly in front of a jury.
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#83259 Nov 29, 2012
Dan C wrote:
<quoted text>
Why not ask me why there are more red Chevrolet Corvettes than blue ones?
Idiot.
Your question has nothing to do with the Zimmerman case idiot.
Are you stupid enough to think the defense will use this ignorant question which has zero to do with the case at hand??
LOL!!!
I do know one thing....should I walk out my door and see you raping my neighbor I'd make spaghetti of your sad ass.
Now stick to the subject at hand asshat or shaddup.
If you have a strong case then answer his question. I'm sure you can do that can't you?
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#83260 Nov 29, 2012
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
No it's a stupid question..but then you always go into hysterical scenario's that never apply...
If it does not apply then why not answer the question? Are you afraid he may use your answer to make a valid point?
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#83261 Nov 29, 2012
Ahomana wrote:
Just another law abiding citizen with a gun at the ready in Florida who just shot an unarmed black kid...Yep you law abiding gun owners are all sane till you go bananas, the kid must have attempted to shoot him with his finger...crazy gun owning lunatics.
http://news.yahoo.com/shooting-death-black-te...
Typical liberal lie. You must lie to back your argument because you can't defend it with the truth. You claim unarmed yet the article you linked shows a shotgun was produced first by your 'UNARMED" black kid.

Since: Oct 11

Location hidden

#83262 Nov 29, 2012
rider wrote:
every time you see an NRA member, remind them they belong to a terrorist organization that has the blood of tens of thousands of Americans and Mexicans on their hands - See more at: http://www.laprogressive.com/the-nra-has-the-...
Your logic is flawed, first off they protect the Bill of Rights from being taken away by a gov't that would if it could.
You know that old useless outdated piece of paper, obama called it.

That 230+ year old rag that gives you a right to call Bush a dumbass or Obama a traitor. That gives you the right to redress the Gov't without disappearing in the night. That kind of stuff.

I'll bet you couldn't give 1 example of a group that has done more to promote responsibility and safety to millions of gun owners than the NRA has. Children too with the Eddie Eagle programs.

You dumbass liberals restrict the word "Gun Safety" from even being taught at school, instead you teach,'oh stay away from that awful evil gun' That's a real smart thing to teach kids, ignore responsibility.

It's why you don't measure up in a rational thinking society that measures itself using ethics and character as a standard.

You don't have any.
Greasy Grass Ridge

Gadsden, AL

#83263 Nov 29, 2012
whooyaa wrote:
<quoted text>
Your logic is flawed, first off they protect the Bill of Rights from being taken away by a gov't that would if it could.
You know that old useless outdated piece of paper, obama called it.
That 230+ year old rag that gives you a right to call Bush a dumbass or Obama a traitor. That gives you the right to redress the Gov't without disappearing in the night. That kind of stuff.
I'll bet you couldn't give 1 example of a group that has done more to promote responsibility and safety to millions of gun owners than the NRA has. Children too with the Eddie Eagle programs.
You dumbass liberals restrict the word "Gun Safety" from even being taught at school, instead you teach,'oh stay away from that awful evil gun' That's a real smart thing to teach kids, ignore responsibility.
It's why you don't measure up in a rational thinking society that measures itself using ethics and character as a standard.
You don't have any.
Obama was right.

Eddie Eagle programs? What is that? Some kind of child abuse?

GGR
Greasy Grass Ridge

Gadsden, AL

#83264 Nov 29, 2012
_0rion_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Animals first/humans second is a belief common to all nutters.
Most of them are too silly to even realise they are nutters, though I guess when you're away with the pixies & fairies all the time it probably seems normal.
Member of PETA are we?
Or some other whacko group?
Sounds like it.
Dear Ornery,

That's right, call me names. I'm sure it makes you feel better about yourself.

Peta? Fantastic organization. They do so much for animals. They do the dirty work. They may be in my will as a matter of fact. Yes, what little money I have is going to animals when I go to the great beyond. I want to leave money for two animal hospitals - for people that can't afford to have their pets seen by a vet. I think that's wise. In my last will - I left my money to CHOP, but heck, they get sooooooo much money from really rich people. They are doing just fine.

So, call me a nut. I really don't care. lalalalalalalalala.

Animals first.

GGR
Greasy Grass Ridge

Gadsden, AL

#83265 Nov 29, 2012
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> Oh just a coat? OK just a coat today but tomorrow something else and more and more. Where do you draw the line? Oh you only get violated a little today and a little tomorrow and the next day and the next. I rip your coat today but you buy a new one but tomorrow I rip it ect. ect. How about this, you rip my coat I punch you in the nose. Hey it's just a little punch in the nose, no reason to go off the handle. How about I just punch you in the nose (no coat involved)? It's just a little punch in the nose, no reason for you to go off the handle.
Yes Trey, it's JUST a coat. Just because someone rips your coat doesn't mean-everyday something else will be ruined.

How about this, you punch me in the nose and I'll call 911 and they will take you away. Was it worth it?

Between punching and carrying and using guns~~~~~~~~Violent group of people.

Florence
Greasy Grass Ridge

Gadsden, AL

#83266 Nov 29, 2012
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> Liar! Show that post!
Calm down southern boy!

Please spend the time to go back and find your post. You said it, I didn't.

Flo
Greasy Grass Ridge

Gadsden, AL

#83267 Nov 29, 2012
X Obama Supporter wrote:
<quoted text>
AWW now you know I cared about my children even more so then I ever cared about myself, you're just being rediculous there. We had "other" protection then and it was quit effective. The guns were put away for their safety when they were small, we don't hunt or anything so they just stayed put. Actually they are still put up, we just updated with a newer one, much more effective, more rounds.
I know everyone says their kids are smart.....I can just prove it!!! That is not to make me look like a good parent....it's all on them and it was their work that got them where they are, I just have bragging rights cuz their mine!
I'm not real sure that I need you to pray for me to come to my senses about inviting you over. I feel pretty confident that not inviting strangers I meet on the internet over for a drink is the best thing to do, so I'll stick with that, but hey pray for me if you want....this one will go unanswered I assure you. I would never do that without meeting someone first....but not at my home OR yours.
Perhaps before thinking someone is a little paranoid for wanting guns or even keeping a bat by the door you need to think about the fact that perhaps at one time, they didn't, and they wish they had. Maybe not all people that have guns are near as worried about the unknown as they are the known. Maybe not everyone has lived just like you or had all the same experiences as you. With your multiple personalities I doubt it. Other people live their life and make their decisions based on the reality they know....and the best thing you can do is RESPECT their decision and their right to make it. Agree with me on it or not....makes no difference to me.
X
Dear X,

Still bragging about your kids? Is that a sign of insecurity?

Of course you wouldn't invite the average internet user to your house. That would be dangerous. It's different with me. I am not average and I am totally normal. I don't run around with guns and baseball bats. Like you!

Yes, you are paranoid. Own up to it.

No, I don't respect your decision to own guns and baseball bats. That is sick.

IF you say your kids have common sense - I guess they won't have weapons in their houses when they are older. Thank you god! You did say they have common sense, didn't you? They sound pretty perfect to me. Are you sure, they are yours? Adoption?

Have a good day..

GGR
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#83268 Nov 29, 2012
Greasy Grass Ridge wrote:
<quoted text>
Calm down southern boy!
Please spend the time to go back and find your post. You said it, I didn't.
Flo
Then prove it.
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#83269 Nov 29, 2012
Greasy Grass Ridge wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes Trey, it's JUST a coat. Just because someone rips your coat doesn't mean-everyday something else will be ruined.
How about this, you punch me in the nose and I'll call 911 and they will take you away. Was it worth it?
Between punching and carrying and using guns~~~~~~~~Violent group of people.
Florence
I'm sure after you rip my coat you will be wanting to call the police. We can share the same cell where I can punch your nose a few more times.
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#83270 Nov 29, 2012
Greasy Grass Ridge wrote:
<quoted text>
Dear X,
Still bragging about your kids? Is that a sign of insecurity?
Of course you wouldn't invite the average internet user to your house. That would be dangerous. It's different with me. I am not average and I am totally normal. I don't run around with guns and baseball bats. Like you!
Yes, you are paranoid. Own up to it.
No, I don't respect your decision to own guns and baseball bats. That is sick.
IF you say your kids have common sense - I guess they won't have weapons in their houses when they are older. Thank you god! You did say they have common sense, didn't you? They sound pretty perfect to me. Are you sure, they are yours? Adoption?
Have a good day..
GGR
Strange how you call gun owners paranoid yet you are the one that fears other peoples right to own a small piece of metal. Do you call that normal? 280 million guns in this country so it seams a vast amount of people don't fear them so that would be normal.

“Topix is lowlife scum with no”

Since: Jun 12

respect for anyone...

#83271 Nov 29, 2012
Greasy Grass Ridge wrote:
<quoted text>
Dear Ornery,
That's right, call me names. I'm sure it makes you feel better about yourself.
Peta? Fantastic organization. They do so much for animals. They do the dirty work. They may be in my will as a matter of fact. Yes, what little money I have is going to animals when I go to the great beyond. I want to leave money for two animal hospitals - for people that can't afford to have their pets seen by a vet. I think that's wise. In my last will - I left my money to CHOP, but heck, they get sooooooo much money from really rich people. They are doing just fine.
So, call me a nut. I really don't care. lalalalalalalalala.
Animals first.
GGR
As I suspected, a complete nutter.
Don't reproduce, the world doesn't need anymore idiots, there's enough here already.

And as for calling you names, have a look back at all your posts, including this one.
Practically every single post you've made you don't even have enough respect to call the posters by their screen names.

You think you are intelligent, better than us all, but you are nothing more than a scum animal rights activist nutter who likes trolling to get a reaction.
X Obama Supporter

Coffeyville, KS

#83272 Nov 29, 2012
Greasy Grass Ridge wrote:
<quoted text>
Dear X,
Still bragging about your kids? Is that a sign of insecurity?
Of course you wouldn't invite the average internet user to your house. That would be dangerous. It's different with me. I am not average and I am totally normal. I don't run around with guns and baseball bats. Like you!
Yes, you are paranoid. Own up to it.
No, I don't respect your decision to own guns and baseball bats. That is sick.
IF you say your kids have common sense - I guess they won't have weapons in their houses when they are older. Thank you god! You did say they have common sense, didn't you? They sound pretty perfect to me. Are you sure, they are yours? Adoption?
Have a good day..
GGR
Nope, no insecurity, it's called pride! I take it that is an unfamiliar feeling to you....why am I not surprised.
I don't "run around" with guns and ballbats, I just have them and would use them if needed, but no running in the house, it's about safety first you know.
Now why would you be so concerned with weither or not I am "paranoid"? Are you trying to find someone that feels the same as you? Trust me, it ain't happening, at least not with me. For that matter not with anyone I've met that is allowed to roam free and not be medicated.
You don't really have to respect my decision to have guns, but you do have to accept it as something you can't do anything about. OUCH! Don't worry, you'll will get use to it, or not, either way I don't care.
I don't consider myself violent....and I know you don't, otherwise you wouldn't be practically begging to come to my house. Who knows, I might shoot you or beat you with a bat. YOu never know what might set a gun owner off huh? Why take the chance, just stay home.
My kids are 100% mine and I have the stretch marks to prove it! The only thing adopted in my house is a cat my youngest brought home right before moving to college where she can't have it. I'm not against adoption, thought about it when I accepted that I couldn't have anymore kids. But time passed and two are quit enough to provide for and raise so we just never did adopt.

X

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