Seeking Common Ground: Gun Politics

Seeking Common Ground: Gun Politics

There are 4298 comments on the The Boerne Star story from Dec 19, 2008, titled Seeking Common Ground: Gun Politics. In it, The Boerne Star reports that:

Sales of guns and ammunition are soaring. It's the hottest retail sector now and the main reason is the election of president-elect Obama.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at The Boerne Star.

clear n present stranger

Berkeley, CA

#750 Dec 26, 2008
Thirdpower wrote:
"he will avoid divisive issues like gun control."
He doesn't need to say anything about it. His cabinet (most of which have an extensive gun control history) and the DNC leadership will push it for him. He'll sign anything that's put in front of him.
BTW, can you show concrete examples of how the NRA is 'extremist'?
The NRA's push to allow concealed weapons is extreme as are many of the public statements made over the years by its' leaders.

One example,

Charlton Heston vowed to spend $100 million to indoctrinate kids into gun ownership and teach them that the Second Amendment is more important than their First Amendment right to free speech.

In a December 1997 speech to the Free Congress Foundation, an excerpt of which appeared on CBS Evening News on Friday, June 5, 1998, Charlton Heston stated: "Mainstream America is counting on you to ‘draw your sword’ and fight for them. These people have precious little time and resources to battle misguided Cinderella attitudes, the fringe propaganda of the homosexual coalition, the feminists who preach that it is a divine duty for women to hate men, blacks who raise a militant fist with one hand while they seek preference with the other...and gun bans as a means to only the Lord-knows-what."

The above is the kind of extremism and misguided BS that continues to come out of the NRA and its' more radical members.

I was once a member, probably still am since my Grandfather bought me a life membership. I took the hunter safety classes they gave and everything. I did not want to leave the NRA, they left me.
Thirdpower

Mattoon, IL

#751 Dec 26, 2008
clear n present stranger wrote:
<quoted text>
The NRA's push to allow concealed weapons is extreme
So you consider CCW to be 'extreme'? Why? What is the problem w/ it? 48 states allow it. 40 of which are "shall issue" . Problems resulting from it have been nearly zero.
clear n present stranger wrote:
<quoted text>as are many of the public statements made over the years by its' leaders.
One example,

[QUOTE who="clear n present stranger"]<quoted text>as The above is the kind of extremism and misguided BS that continues to come out of the NRA and its' more radical members.
Do you have an actual primary source link to that quote?
clear n present stranger wrote:
<quoted text>as I was once a member, probably still am since my Grandfather bought me a life membership. I took the hunter safety classes they gave and everything. I did not want to leave the NRA, they left me.
So as a life member, did you vote for board members that supported your views?
Southern Guerilla

Glasgow, KY

#752 Dec 26, 2008
I am an extremist for both free speech , the 2nd amendment , and freedom for all.

“Constitutionist/ SAF”

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#753 Dec 26, 2008
Swampmuddd wrote:
<quoted text>So then are you saying that you think that convicted bank robbers and murders should be allowed to carry guns?
They carry them regardless of any law, and they rob banks and they murder regardless of any laws prohibiting it. The issue is not what should be allowed for criminals, the issue is because they exist we should be allowed to carry guns. And because of that, you create a problem for the law abiding.
yawn

United States

#754 Dec 26, 2008
Plant Lady wrote:
<quoted text>
And what does it say that YOU choose to comment?
<shrugs>
And what does it say that YOU choose to reply to my comment?

<shrugs>

Right, we all need to get a life. Perhaps that should be one of our New Year's resolutions.

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#755 Dec 26, 2008
clear n present stranger wrote:
<quoted text>
The NRA's push to allow concealed weapons is extreme as are many of the public statements made over the years by its' leaders.
One example,
Charlton Heston vowed to spend $100 million to indoctrinate kids into gun ownership and teach them that the Second Amendment is more important than their First Amendment right to free speech.
In a December 1997 speech to the Free Congress Foundation, an excerpt of which appeared on CBS Evening News on Friday, June 5, 1998, Charlton Heston stated: "Mainstream America is counting on you to ‘draw your sword’ and fight for them. These people have precious little time and resources to battle misguided Cinderella attitudes, the fringe propaganda of the homosexual coalition, the feminists who preach that it is a divine duty for women to hate men, blacks who raise a militant fist with one hand while they seek preference with the other...and gun bans as a means to only the Lord-knows-what."
The above is the kind of extremism and misguided BS that continues to come out of the NRA and its' more radical members.
I was once a member, probably still am since my Grandfather bought me a life membership. I took the hunter safety classes they gave and everything. I did not want to leave the NRA, they left me.
Did you look at the full speech. You sure did a lovely job taking out of context.

Try reading the entire speech.

or maybe this part:

" Defeat the criminals and their apologists, oust the biased and bigoted, endure the undisciplined and unprincipled, but disavow the self-appointed social engineers whose relentless arrogance fuels this vicious war against so much we hold so dear. Do not yield, do not divide, do not call a truce. Be fair, but fight back.

It's the same blueprint our founding fathers left to guide us. Our enemies see it as the senile prattle of an archaic society. I still honor it as the United States Constitution, and that timeless document we call the Bill of Rights.

Freedom is our fortune and honor is our saving grace."

http://www.vpc.org/nrainfo/speech.html

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#756 Dec 26, 2008
yawn wrote:
<quoted text>
And what does it say that YOU choose to reply to my comment?
<shrugs>
Right, we all need to get a life. Perhaps that should be one of our New Year's resolutions.
I have one, thank you.

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#758 Dec 26, 2008
clear n present stranger wrote:
<quoted text>
The NRA's push to allow concealed weapons is extreme as are many of the public statements made over.......
.
Why do you consider concealed carry extreme?

How do you consider concealed carry extreme?

What do you base that conjecture on?
Starlina

Wahiawa, HI

#759 Dec 26, 2008
It doesn't matter if guns reduce or increase the rate of violent crimes. It is an American right to own firearms (and bullets).
algernon sidney

Lakewood, OH

#760 Dec 26, 2008
Robert wrote:
For Every Time a Women Uses a Handgun to Kill in Self-Defense, 101 Women Die in Handgun Murders, New VPC Report Finds
The above claim is an example of the saying, "figures don't lie, but liars sure do figure." What is important is not that woman kill rapists (although that is a good thing), but that the women use guns to prevent rape or put a rapist in a position to be arrested. The VPC could not have honestly made the above claim because they are certainly intelligent enough to know that the prevention of rape does not require that the rapist be killed. For example, a few years ago there was a serial rapist active in the Pittsburgh area. One night he attempted to rape a security guard who was taking a walk with her service handgun. She shot him and prevent not only her rape but the rape of an unknown number of other women. So no rapist was killed by an armed woman, yet numerous rapes were prevented. The real pertinant question about the VPC lie is, "How many of the murdered women were armed before they were murdered and how many murders of women were prevented by other armed citizens?" After all, there are about 2 million defensive uses of guns each year in the US.
algernon sidney

Lakewood, OH

#762 Dec 26, 2008
clear n present stranger wrote:
<quoted text>
The NRA's push to allow concealed weapons is extreme as are many of the public statements made over the years by its' leaders.
One example,
Charlton Heston vowed to spend $100 million to indoctrinate kids into gun ownership and teach them that the Second Amendment is more important than their First Amendment right to free speech.
In a December 1997 speech to the Free Congress Foundation, an excerpt of which appeared on CBS Evening News on Friday, June 5, 1998, Charlton Heston stated: "Mainstream America is counting on you to ‘draw your sword’ and fight for them. These people have precious little time and resources to battle misguided Cinderella attitudes, the fringe propaganda of the homosexual coalition, the feminists who preach that it is a divine duty for women to hate men, blacks who raise a militant fist with one hand while they seek preference with the other...and gun bans as a means to only the Lord-knows-what."
How is any of the above "extremist"? The NRA is too mild for me. That is why I support more activist organizations, such as Jews for the Protection of Firearms Ownership.
Starlina

Wahiawa, HI

#765 Dec 26, 2008
algernon sidney wrote:
<quoted text>One night he attempted to rape a security guard who was taking a walk with her service handgun. She shot him and prevent not only her rape but the rape of an unknown number of other women.
What a dumbass for trying to rape an armed security officer!!!
Boomer215

Anderson, IN

#768 Dec 26, 2008
clear n present stranger wrote:
<quoted text>
The NRA's push to allow concealed weapons is extreme as are many of the public statements made over the years by its' leaders.
One example,
Charlton Heston vowed to spend $100 million to indoctrinate kids into gun ownership and teach them that the Second Amendment is more important than their First Amendment right to free speech.
In a December 1997 speech to the Free Congress Foundation, an excerpt of which appeared on CBS Evening News on Friday, June 5, 1998, Charlton Heston stated: "Mainstream America is counting on you to ‘draw your sword’ and fight for them. These people have precious little time and resources to battle misguided Cinderella attitudes, the fringe propaganda of the homosexual coalition, the feminists who preach that it is a divine duty for women to hate men, blacks who raise a militant fist with one hand while they seek preference with the other...and gun bans as a means to only the Lord-knows-what."
The above is the kind of extremism and misguided BS that continues to come out of the NRA and its' more radical members.
I was once a member, probably still am since my Grandfather bought me a life membership. I took the hunter safety classes they gave and everything. I did not want to leave the NRA, they left me.
It's easy enough to search out Heston's speech on line.

So I'm wondering how stupid someone would have to be in order to believe that they can post only part of it, out of context, and think that they're really going to fool everyone?

Since: Mar 07

Ware Shoals, SC

#772 Dec 26, 2008
I prefer opened carry over concealed. Owning a firearm doesn't really mean anything if you can't use it when you need it. We need to carry our firearms with us when we move about.

“Constitutionist/ SAF”

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#773 Dec 26, 2008
algernon sidney wrote:
<quoted text>The above claim is an example of the saying, "figures don't lie, but liars sure do figure." What is important is not that woman kill rapists (although that is a good thing), but that the women use guns to prevent rape or put a rapist in a position to be arrested. The VPC could not have honestly made the above claim because they are certainly intelligent enough to know that the prevention of rape does not require that the rapist be killed. For example, a few years ago there was a serial rapist active in the Pittsburgh area. One night he attempted to rape a security guard who was taking a walk with her service handgun. She shot him and prevent not only her rape but the rape of an unknown number of other women. So no rapist was killed by an armed woman, yet numerous rapes were prevented. The real pertinant question about the VPC lie is, "How many of the murdered women were armed before they were murdered and how many murders of women were prevented by other armed citizens?" After all, there are about 2 million defensive uses of guns each year in the US.
Agree.
Shoot a criminal - take a life and save another life.

“Constitutionist/ SAF”

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#774 Dec 26, 2008
Boomer215 wrote:
<quoted text>
It's easy enough to search out Heston's speech on line.
So I'm wondering how stupid someone would have to be in order to believe that they can post only part of it, out of context, and think that they're really going to fool everyone?
They're driven by emotion. No logic, reasoning or common sense. And they lie like hell (description of a hoplophobe).
Law

Omaha, NE

#777 Dec 26, 2008
Robert wrote:
<quoted text>
your not that stupid are you?
You didn't answer the question. Why is that?
Law

Omaha, NE

#779 Dec 26, 2008
yawn wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, boy...how provocative. YAWN. Seriously, you must be the life of the party at your progun gatherings. Lions, tigers and bears--oh, my!
Another vomit emission from the suck puppet.
Law

Omaha, NE

#780 Dec 26, 2008
Swampmuddd wrote:
<quoted text>So then are you saying that you think that convicted bank robbers and murders should be allowed to carry guns?
Have they served their sentence and repaid their debt as prescribed by the judicial process?
Law

Omaha, NE

#781 Dec 26, 2008
Swampmuddd wrote:
<quoted text>So how does requiring permits stop somebody from owning a gun?
Rights hat require permits cease to be rights and are relegated to privileges.

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