Gun control forces struggle to keep issue alive

May 7, 2013 Full story: SanLuisObispo.com 203

Kelly Ayotte, Max Baucus and others as they struggle to persuade five senators to switch their votes and revive the rejected effort to expand background checks to more firearms buyers.

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“Shall NOT be infringed!”

Since: Apr 13

San Jose, CA.

#1 May 7, 2013
They need to cease and desist from their treasonous attempts. Or, they shall soon start being taken to court for conspiracy:

"Here, then, every man,--whether native or naturalized, whether free or bond--for the provision comprehended every class and colour--every man capable of shouldering a musket, was required to be trained and armed, by our present Constitution; and the proposed to it, designates the militia as only to be for defence, and in this view Blackstone himself regarded the militia. The very second amendment to the Constitution of the United States, previous to which several of the States had refused to come into the compact, he begged to recommend to the attention of his friend from Allegheny,(Mr. Forward)--"a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." Mark the admirable adaption of the language. There is said (Mr. I) an argument in it more than I could make in a year, all condensed. A regulated right of every man, to do what? To hear arms--and the Constitution says this right to bear arms "shall not be infringed." This "well regulated militia," which is "necessary to the security of a free State" is the right of every man to bear arms, and it is a right which "shall not be infringed." And when his friend from Allegheny said at first,(as he had understood him,) that the federal power absorbed all the rights of the states on this subject, he (.Mr I) confessed that he had felt himself excited almost to pugnacity. This right exceeded, was beyond the reach of the federal Constitution--it was supreme, above the supremacy of the Constitution--it was a right which the Constitution could not touch. It was nothing less than man's right to self defence, that power which could not be impaired by any power of government."

- Mr. Charles Jared Ingersoll, Oct. 24, 1837, PROCEEDINGS AND DEBATES OF THE CONVENTION OF THE COMMONWEALTH OF PENNSYLVANIA, TO PROPOSE AMENDMENTS TO THE CONSTITUTION, COMMENCED AT HARRISBURG MAY 2 1837 VOL. IV. Reported by JOHN AGG, Stenographer: Assisted By Messrs. Wheeler, Kingman, Draks, and McKinley. HARRISBURG: PRINTED BY PACKER, BARRETT, And PARKE. 1838.(Ingersoll served twice as a United States representative, first from 1813 to 1815 and again from 1841 to 1847. In between these terms, he worked as the United States attorney for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania from 1815 to 1829 by appointment from President James Madison, was Pennsylvania state representative in 1830, and in 1837, was a delegate to the Pennsylvania state constitutional convention. Over the course of his governmental career, Ingersoll worked with a few U. S. presidents such as James Monroe, John Tyler, and James K. Polk).
Roice

Miami, FL

#3 May 7, 2013
......But........But........I thought they had 90% of Americans supporting additional gun laws??? Where are all the people who said they had 90% in favor of tighter restrictions? The answer is they NEVER even had 40% and now the truth is undeniable! Where are the sore losers who tried to lie their way to victory? They were all over this forum a month ago....suddenly those people are quiet as church mice! History will never forget that attempt to deceive the simpletons in our population. Come on. Where are the people who comprise this super-majority? Hmmmmm?
Quit

Santa Fe, NM

#4 May 7, 2013
[QUOTE who="Roice
The answer is they NEVER even had 40% and now the truth is undeniable!mm?[/QUOTE]

lying. The senators were bought. The will of the people was denied.
Louiston

Omaha, NE

#5 May 7, 2013
Quit wrote:
<quoted text>
lying. The senators were bought. The will of the people was denied.
More tripe from the Santa Fe Sock Puppet.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#6 May 7, 2013
GunShow1 wrote:
"Here, then, every man,
Vikings: Spam, spam Spam spam....
mark

Euless, TX

#7 May 7, 2013
They wont be happy until we give up everything!

Refurbished phones at http://www.mylancellular.com
truth

Abilene, TX

#8 May 7, 2013
the United States of America is a constitutional republic. This is similar to a democracy because our representatives are selected by democratic elections, but ultimately our representatives are required to work within the framework of our constitution. In other words, even if 90% of Americans want something that goes against our founding principles, they have no right to call for a violation of constitutional rights.
Which

Santa Fe, NM

#9 May 7, 2013
truth wrote:
the United States of America is a constitutional republic. This is similar to a democracy because our representatives are selected by democratic elections, but ultimately our representatives are required to work within the framework of our constitution. In other words, even if 90% of Americans want something that goes against our founding principles, they have no right to call for a violation of constitutional rights.
of course, is irrelevant to this issue.
Responsibility

San Mateo, CA

#10 May 7, 2013
Roice wrote:
......But........But........I thought they had 90% of Americans supporting additional gun laws???
The politicians do not listen to the polls of regular citizens unless they are backdated to the 20st century, numbers from fux, the NRA/gun business or are numbers they can understand.

90% maybe beyond counting on their fingers and toes.
Responsibility

San Mateo, CA

#11 May 7, 2013
[QUOTE who="Roice Hmmmmm?[/QUOTE]

Those of us who believe our gun/violent culture needs fixing are still here and will continue to be concerned about the thousands of our folks who die every year by guns, guns, guns.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, yes we will not be going away.

“Voters elect Big Bird”

Since: Jan 07

Dump American Eagle

#12 May 7, 2013
Responsibility wrote:
<quoted text>
Those of us who believe our gun/violent culture needs fixing are still here and will continue to be concerned about the thousands of our folks who die every year by guns, guns, guns.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, yes we will not be going away.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm,who gives a sh1t. You've become irrelevent to the issue. Want to live in a "gun free" designated area? Move to Chicago.... Its got the strictest gun laws in the Nation.
Yawn

Santa Fe, NM

#13 May 7, 2013
okimar wrote:
<quoted text>.
zzz zzz spammm

“Shall NOT be infringed!”

Since: Apr 13

San Jose, CA.

#14 May 7, 2013
Quit wrote:
<quoted text>
lying. The senators were bought. The will of the people was denied.
In your dreams, you name changing troll, only in your dreams. Now go change your depends.

“Shall NOT be infringed!”

Since: Apr 13

San Jose, CA.

#15 May 7, 2013
Responsibility wrote:
<quoted text>
Those of us who believe our gun/violent culture needs fixing are still here and will continue to be concerned about the thousands of our folks who die every year by guns, guns, guns.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, yes we will not be going away.
And your perverse wet dream has been miserably FAILING every since your master klintoon.

There are now more Armed Americans than EVER before.

The U.S. Supreme court DESTROYED your 'militia only' theory.

They then turned around and ruled it is the right of ALL American citizens.

And very soon, they are going to be FORCED to admit that it "shall NOT be infringed".

So, to bad for you and your fellow traitor-trolls, eh sycophant? Looks like you all are going to have to buy large amounts of Depends, and DEAL WITH IT.

“Shall NOT be infringed!”

Since: Apr 13

San Jose, CA.

#16 May 7, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
Vikings: Spam, spam Spam spam....
It's good to see you finally admit it. Although, I don't understand your perverse fascination with "Vikings". As they would have ruthlessly crushed a little traitor-troll like you.

“Voters elect Big Bird”

Since: Jan 07

Dump American Eagle

#17 May 7, 2013
5 million plus(and more every day)AR-15 owners can't be wrong..... Incidently,thats ALMOST as many in our combinded armed forces.
Just Saying

Mineola, NY

#18 May 7, 2013
Responsibility wrote:
<quoted text>
The politicians do not listen to the polls of regular citizens unless they are backdated to the 20st century, numbers from fux, the NRA/gun business or are numbers they can understand.
90% maybe beyond counting on their fingers and toes.
Polls have been wrong before, which happens when you take a sample from a few hundred people, and then extrapolate those results in a nation of over 300 million.

“Voters elect Big Bird”

Since: Jan 07

Dump American Eagle

#19 May 7, 2013
Just Saying wrote:
<quoted text>Polls have been wrong before, which happens when you take a sample from a few hundred people, and then extrapolate those results in a nation of over 300 million.
WHERE the poll was taken and HOW the questions were phraqsed makes a difference too. If you take a pro gun control poll in,say liberal Massachussets you will get drastically different results than one from a more rural area like mine.
Tray

Saltillo, MS

#20 May 7, 2013
Quit wrote:
<quoted text>
lying. The senators were bought. The will of the people was denied.
Oh you mean like the first time around when they were voted out and lost heir perky jobs? You forget this has been tried before and most liberals were fired by the massive voters. The will of the people was heard and it sent a message. Ban my rights and you will lose your job and we will hire others to restore those rights. You might want to brush up on your facts before speaking for those who you think you know.

Since: Mar 09

The Left Coast

#21 May 7, 2013
Justice Department: Gun Murders Down 39 Percent From 1993 to 2011. Would have never happened without Feinstein and Schumer.

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