Gun Violence Falls in VA, Firearm Sal...

Gun Violence Falls in VA, Firearm Sales Up

There are 657 comments on the NBC29 Charlottesville story from Nov 24, 2012, titled Gun Violence Falls in VA, Firearm Sales Up. In it, NBC29 Charlottesville reports that:

An analysis shows gun-related violence has fallen steadily since 2006 in Virginia despite record firearm sales.

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For info

Charlottesville, VA

#64 Nov 24, 2012
Dr Freud wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah?
What about all those stabbings, and beatings or bludgeonings with various objects, along with fists and feet, automobiles, poisonings, stranglings, forced drownings, hangings, burnings, and medical malpractice, just to name a few?
Where's your outrage over those methods of premature death?
Is it too inconvenient for you to attack the VERY MUCH LARGER CAUSES?
You seem to think I've made an anti-gun argument. That's not the case.

Personally I accept that gun control isn't going to happen in the US.

That said I think there could be some reform, restricting assault weapons and requiring background checks for private gun sales would likley be permissible under the second amendment and could be helpful.

But that's a personal view and not really related to the one I was making in this thread about the hude disparity in homicide levels. I think that's much more likely to be a result of poverty and lack of education. It just so happens that these root causes ocurr somewhere with very easy access to weapons.

Still, I'd tackle the poverty and education issues since it's better to treat the cause than a symptom.
Dr Freud

Sandefjord, Norway

#65 Nov 24, 2012
For info wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm saying they don't lie anywhere near enough to cover up 2,000 violent deaths.
Your hypothesis also ignores that exactly the same issues could be at play in the US. Nor do you consider the huge amount of plea bargaining here that likely reduces the official homicide rate by pleaing down manslaughter charges to lessor offenses.
Whatever the differences in the methodology, you have suggested NOTHING that could account for the five fold difference.
The US clearly has a problem - note I haven't said guns are the problem - but there is a problem that's leading to way too many violent deaths per capita. It does no-one any favor to try and explain it away by claiming everyone else is doctoring their statistics.
That didn't answer the question. Rather, you simply deflected.
Nothing new there!
Matt

Brookneal, VA

#66 Nov 24, 2012
Dr Freud wrote:
<quoted text>
If he wasn't harming anyone, then what your ****?
People carry openly in many states, and nobody but NOBODY gets hurt in the process.
So, WHAT'S YOU ****?
Is it because you don't like it?
I overheard him bragging to another guy that he had 16 in the clip and one in the hole of "Zombie Max" ammunition whatever that is and that it was blah blah blah and how it would stop a man in one shot. His kid was like 7 years old and laughing about it.
Figured it out

Charlottesville, VA

#67 Nov 24, 2012
Dr Freud wrote:
<quoted text>
That didn't answer the question. Rather, you simply deflected.
Nothing new there!
Look, I've cited sources and statistics. You have peddled nothing but hyperbole and conspiracy theories.

I think we all know who has the stronger argument.
Dr Freud

Sandefjord, Norway

#68 Nov 24, 2012
For info wrote:
<quoted text>
You seem to think I've made an anti-gun argument. That's not the case.
Personally I accept that gun control isn't going to happen in the US.
That said I think there could be some reform, restricting assault weapons and requiring background checks for private gun sales would likley be permissible under the second amendment and could be helpful.
But that's a personal view and not really related to the one I was making in this thread about the hude disparity in homicide levels. I think that's much more likely to be a result of poverty and lack of education. It just so happens that these root causes ocurr somewhere with very easy access to weapons.
Still, I'd tackle the poverty and education issues since it's better to treat the cause than a symptom.
" restricting assault weapons and requiring background checks for private gun sales would likley be permissible under the second amendment and could be helpful."
What's an 'assault weapon,' according to yourself?
When did a 'background check' ever stop a crime from happening?
How would interfering in the private sale of guns do anything?
Would you demand that the private sale of automobiles be subject to the same constraints, inasmuch as automobiles are used in far more violent crime than any number of guns?

"I think that's much more likely to be a result of poverty and lack of education."

But public schools absolutely REFUSE to teach proper gun handling and safety.
Then there's poverty: That has absolutely NOTHING to do with violence conducted with guns. Chances are, that a man who's starving, will gladly trade his gun for a bite to eat.
In the 'Great Depression,' when there were hardly any anti-gun laws in your country, the violence attributed to guns was being conducted by the drug gangs of the period, i.e., the alcoholic beverage gangs (Prohibition).
So apparently, you're remiss to consider one VERY IMPORTANT point here, and that is this: When you OUTLAW a thing, you AUTOMATICALLY create a black market for it.
Does the WAR ON DRUGS begin to sound familiar?
So, instead of attempting to control access to an object, you ought be thinking about information, education, and morality instead.
Dr Freud

Sandefjord, Norway

#69 Nov 24, 2012
Figured it out wrote:
<quoted text>
Look, I've cited sources and statistics. You have peddled nothing but hyperbole and conspiracy theories.
I think we all know who has the stronger argument.
You've cited nothing.
All you did was purport that an official source supported your contentions when no such thing is true.
The facts remain: BOTH the UK, and Australia FUDGE their murder statistics in order to make themselves 'appear' less violent, but other statistical evidence reveal otherwise.
Dr Freud

Sandefjord, Norway

#70 Nov 24, 2012
Matt wrote:
<quoted text>
I overheard him bragging to another guy that he had 16 in the clip and one in the hole of "Zombie Max" ammunition whatever that is and that it was blah blah blah and how it would stop a man in one shot. His kid was like 7 years old and laughing about it.
So he's a braggart. Is that all you have?
Kids will laugh at almost anything if they think it's okay, if only because they're looking for attention, and approval from others whom they look up to.
Figured it out

Charlottesville, VA

#71 Nov 24, 2012
Dr Freud wrote:
<quoted text>
You've cited nothing.
All you did was purport that an official source supported your contentions when no such thing is true.
The facts remain: BOTH the UK, and Australia FUDGE their murder statistics in order to make themselves 'appear' less violent, but other statistical evidence reveal otherwise.
So your contention is that the US homicide rate is comparable to those in Europe, and that US police are more honest than European counterparts?

Do you also believe that there's a group of giant lizards who take humanoid form and control international governments to keep us oppressed?

“O'er the land of the free ? ”

Since: Jan 09

Don't Tread On Me

#72 Nov 24, 2012
Matt wrote:
<quoted text>
I overheard him bragging to another guy that he had 16 in the clip and one in the hole of "Zombie Max" ammunition whatever that is and that it was blah blah blah and how it would stop a man in one shot. His kid was like 7 years old and laughing about it.
So what ?
Dr Freud

Sandefjord, Norway

#73 Nov 24, 2012
Figured it out wrote:
<quoted text>
Look, I've cited sources and statistics. You have peddled nothing but hyperbole and conspiracy theories.
I think we all know who has the stronger argument.
Read'em and weep!

CRIME OF THE CENTURY
A CHILLING LOOK AT CRIME STATISTICS, POLICE RECORDED CRIME & OFFENCES BROUGHT TO JUSTICE IN THE UK
http://www.theftprotect.co.uk/library/justice...

Fudging Crime Statistics Is No Way To Restore Public Confidence
http://thinbluelineuk.blogspot.com/2009/10/fu...

Crime Is Down .... Or is it?
http://thinbluelineuk.blogspot.com/2011/01/cr...

Overall crime rate in England and Wales falls by 45% since 1995, with car crime down from more than 1.1m to 456,000 a year

UK Police Chiefs: We Donít Want Guns
"Sadly, the UKís coppers work in a country with higher violent crime rates than the U.S.: 2,034 vs. 466 violent crimes per 100k residents. Assuming the numbers havenít been fudged. In fact, Britain tops the league table for the highest crime rates in Europe."
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/09/robe...

So, you were saying ...?
Dr Freud

Sandefjord, Norway

#74 Nov 24, 2012
Figured it out wrote:
<quoted text>
So your contention is that the US homicide rate is comparable to those in Europe, and that US police are more honest than European counterparts?
Do you also believe that there's a group of giant lizards who take humanoid form and control international governments to keep us oppressed?
You're the one pushing fantasies!
Marauder

Anchorage, AK

#75 Nov 24, 2012
Figured it out wrote:
<quoted text>
Tell that to the almost 11,000 Americans killed by handguns last year.
I promise you a lot of those deaths would not have occurred without the killer having a gun.
Wow...then it's a good thing those deaths continue to go down. We have had declines in violent crime for the past decade and the accidental death rate has fallen faster and at a higher rate than motorvehicle accidental deaths.

How many of those deaths were criminal on criminal...bad drug deals and gang violence...?
Marauder

Anchorage, AK

#76 Nov 24, 2012
Matt wrote:
I saw this big fat white jerk open carrying ON THE DOWNTOWN MALL with his WIFE AND KID. Well he actually seemed polite not a jerk but he was a big fat white guy (not a cop hes a local business owner) open carrying on the mall.
C'mon people is this necessary?
Why do you have a problem with someone exercising their individual rights...? What makes you think his physical attributes makes a difference...? Do YOU know when, where and who is going to commit a crime...?
Marauder

Anchorage, AK

#77 Nov 24, 2012
Matt wrote:
<quoted text>
It just concerned me because you could tell this guy knew how to shoot and would not hesitate to blast a crook. I just hate the though of bullets flying around even if they hit a "bad guy"
"It just concerned me because you could tell this guy knew how to shoot and would not hesitate to blast a crook."

Good

"I just hate the though of bullets flying around even if they hit a "bad guy"

Then stay in your basement...or don't commit a criminal act against someone that is armed.
Marauder

Anchorage, AK

#78 Nov 24, 2012
Matt wrote:
<quoted text>
I overheard him bragging to another guy that he had 16 in the clip and one in the hole of "Zombie Max" ammunition whatever that is and that it was blah blah blah and how it would stop a man in one shot. His kid was like 7 years old and laughing about it.
So...?

The point of having to use a firearm in the first place is to "STOP" a person from continuing with unlawful deadly force against you. I'm willing to bet he has taken his son out to the range as well...I have.

Since: Nov 11

Salt Lake City, UT

#79 Nov 25, 2012
thinking free wrote:
<quoted text>, a fat white guy with a gun, the death of us all.
What is a skinny black male with a gun? How about a HWP Asian female with a gun?

How many people carrying a sidearm didn't harm a soul with it?
heh

Esmont, VA

#80 Nov 25, 2012
thinking free wrote:
This country is slowly evolving but its still gonna take time. Europe has seen the error of its ways letting any idiot with a pulse own firearms. One need only look at the numbers to see that this nation needs to take a much different view on firearms. Thr second amendment was not enacted for idots to carry concealed guns that end up many times killing innocents. Our cops are doing enough of that already. Neanderthals talk about their rights while forgetting every body elses. But thats Ok, eventually we'll catch up with Europe and we'll prying guns from the hands of old fat white guys.
well now....me thinks you have too much faith and trust in the government. Ever heard of Adolph, the little short guy with the toothbrush moustache. And it really isn't the old fat guy Neanderthals that are doing the killing in this county now is it? Your young, fit, enlightened folk of color are the one's pumping the bullets into each other.
heh

Esmont, VA

#81 Nov 25, 2012
thinking free wrote:
<quoted text>As is the case with those whos rational is in question, your mixing apples and oranges to make a point. There was no consideration to personal defence when the 2nd was written. We were in a different place back then. Remember, it was our attempt to free ourselves from the yoke of King George, not street crime that was the goal. Fat old white guys have perverted the 2nd to compensate for their insecurities and paranoid delusions. Nothing like a big 44 to make yourself feel like a real man. OH, it was the BIll of Rights, not the Constitution where you'll find the 2nd amendment, read it some time. In fact the 2nd was put there to protect our rights to the 1st amendment, again, nothing to do with personal protection. Our personal protections are secured by the Bill of Rights, not guns. If you want to act like **** erectus, think like one.
you ever wonder why most of your posts are poo pooed?
heh

Esmont, VA

#82 Nov 25, 2012
Party Pooper wrote:
Guns don't kill people, people kill people.
Exactly...fix the need to dispense with each other and presto...problem solved. First clubs, rock, sharpened sticks, pointy stones affixed to sticks, a varity of metal objects, guns; all have been used to take care of business. I can't wait until we get to something less messy...something like a vaporizer maybe?
G Luv

Marietta, GA

#83 Nov 25, 2012
A more thorough article from the Times-Dispatch, with links to some of the data:

http://www.timesdispatch.com/news/local/centr...

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