Guns a problem? Do ya think?

Guns a problem? Do ya think?

There are 26 comments on the Brown Deer story from Sep 11, 2013, titled Guns a problem? Do ya think?. In it, Brown Deer reports that:

Allow me to begin my discussion about guns by clearly stating: guns do not show a man to be any more of a man.

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“Constitutionist/ SAF”

Since: Mar 08

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#1 Sep 11, 2013
The gun problem is we don't have enough Americans armed with AR's and AK's, that's the problem.

If you hate guns so much you should consider another gun-free country.
riven

Terre Haute, IN

#3 Sep 11, 2013
this guy conveniently forgets that ALL THE SHOOTINGS he described were in gun free zones where only the law abiding citizens did not have any. banning guns will not make criminals suddenly go: "oh, hey it is illegal to have guns, guess i better start following the law, DURRRR!"
after all if that were the case than the banning of murder would have been effective. if someone wants to do something they will do it.
also violent crime is actually dropping over time unlike under the clinton gun ban where it rose by several magnitude before going down again after the ban ended.
Bud

Richmond, CA

#4 Sep 11, 2013
Tory II wrote:
The gun problem is we don't have enough Americans armed with AR's and AK's, that's the problem.
If you hate guns so much you should consider another gun-free country.
Yep. This author has their head up their ***.
FormerParatroope r

Chicago, IL

#5 Sep 11, 2013
Amazing how an inanimate object is seen as a problem. I suppose the criminals are being coerced into action by the evil firearm and these criminals would be outstanding citizens had it not been for a firearm telling them to act.
Unicorns fart rainbows of skittles too.
Get Out

Jacksonville, NC

#6 Sep 12, 2013
This is where I stopped reading this clowns anti-gun garbage.

In many cases, guns become a "penis extensjion." (sic)
riven

Terre Haute, IN

#7 Sep 12, 2013
@formerparatrooe r
you owe me a new monitor (lust kidding), lol, i just spit soda all over mine from laughing at the unicorn comment.

“Act Interdimensional ly”

Since: Jan 08

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#8 Sep 12, 2013
"...guns don't show a man to be any more of a man."

That's true. I don't remember anyone saying they do.

However, incessant whining about them certainly doesn't say much about your masculinity.
Punching for Justice

Houston, TX

#10 Sep 13, 2013
It's weird because I actually don't want an AK but an SKS with a fixed mag that holds twenty rounds instead of just ten.

I used to love everything about detachable magazines but fixed magazines are so much less hassle.

“Facts”

Since: May 08

Mexico

#11 Sep 14, 2013
Punching for Justice wrote:
It's weird because I actually don't want an AK but an SKS with a fixed mag that holds twenty rounds instead of just ten.

I used to love everything about detachable magazines but fixed magazines are so much less hassle.
To slow to reload
Punching for Justice

Houston, TX

#12 Sep 14, 2013
Here Is One wrote:
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To slow to reload
Stripper clips. Also I don't know anyone who would actually not be behind cover if they were using one against an animal or DGU situation.

I know I would be.

“Facts”

Since: May 08

Mexico

#13 Sep 14, 2013
Punching for Justice wrote:
<quoted text>Stripper clips. Also I don't know anyone who would actually not be behind cover if they were using one against an animal or DGU situation.

I know I would be.
Sure stripper clips are a fast reload but they will not take the bumps and banging that a magazine will
The rails on a striper clip are very thin and one hard bump in the right spit and the shells will not slide off and you are sitting there with your pants down and your but hanging out

Sure cover is nice but every situation will not find you with cover

For home defense no better gun was ever made than a street sweeper
Next would be a pump or semi auto shot gun but you just don't have the number of rounds

A mini 30 compared to a ak is a far more accurate and better built gun

The Ar is a smaller cartridge but I can carry my Ar with 2k rounds on a long walk much easier than a ak with 2k rounds

If I want more fire power than my Ar I will carry a FN FAL or HK 91

It all depends on what the circumstance is......
How far are you traveling?
Will you have a clean and dry place to clean your weapon?
What are you expecting to be dealing with

Probably the only situation I would chose a ak over a Ar is if I knew I would be crawling thru deep mud

If I know I will be sitting behind cover for the duration I would take my Barrett and street sweeper
The 50 gives me range and the ability to stop any light armored rig and take people down from 1500 meter with no problem
Things get close and a street sweeper rules
Punching for Justice

Houston, TX

#14 Sep 14, 2013
Here Is One wrote:
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Sure stripper clips are a fast reload but they will not take the bumps and banging that a magazine will
The rails on a striper clip are very thin and one hard bump in the right spit and the shells will not slide off and you are sitting there with your pants down and your but hanging out
Sure cover is nice but every situation will not find you with cover
For home defense no better gun was ever made than a street sweeper
Next would be a pump or semi auto shot gun but you just don't have the number of rounds
A mini 30 compared to a ak is a far more accurate and better built gun
The Ar is a smaller cartridge but I can carry my Ar with 2k rounds on a long walk much easier than a ak with 2k rounds
If I want more fire power than my Ar I will carry a FN FAL or HK 91
It all depends on what the circumstance is......
How far are you traveling?
Will you have a clean and dry place to clean your weapon?
What are you expecting to be dealing with
Probably the only situation I would chose a ak over a Ar is if I knew I would be crawling thru deep mud
If I know I will be sitting behind cover for the duration I would take my Barrett and street sweeper
The 50 gives me range and the ability to stop any light armored rig and take people down from 1500 meter with no problem
Things get close and a street sweeper rules
Really? I've noticed people just use what they have and do fine. Plenty of women have killed intruders with just .22's and lived on another day. As it is I think training is probably the best thing someone could have in a home defense situation. Preferably being able to draw and fire under lots of stress. Proper bullet placement trumping the caliber war statement every time.

“Constitutionist/ SAF”

Since: Mar 08

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#15 Sep 15, 2013
Punching for Justice wrote:
<...Proper bullet placement trumping the caliber war statement every time.
Wishful thinking.

“Facts”

Since: May 08

Mexico

#16 Sep 15, 2013
Punching for Justice wrote:
<quoted text>Really? I've noticed people just use what they have and do fine. Plenty of women have killed intruders with just .22's and lived on another day. As it is I think training is probably the best thing someone could have in a home defense situation. Preferably being able to draw and fire under lots of stress. Proper bullet placement trumping the caliber war statement every time.
The Ar or m16 shoots a 22cal and we all know they are deadly

Yes practice and training will make all the difference in the world

Nothing trumps a 12 gauge at close range
With a 22 placed directly in the heart the person shot can still shoot back multiple times

Miss the heart and hit lungs and they may be a threat for a half hour or more

A 12 gauge round to the chest and they will drop like a rock

I carry a H&K p7 m10 and I hand load my carry rounds
They are loaded so hot that a few hundred rounds would destroy the gun.
Besides a few for testing they are only fired in defense

A 22 hollow point will knock a chunk out of a water melon
These rounds explode it like a bomb went off

Stopping or knock down power is king
riven

Terre Haute, IN

#17 Sep 15, 2013
Here Is One wrote:
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The Ar or m16 shoots a 22cal and we all know they are deadly
Yes practice and training will make all the difference in the world
Nothing trumps a 12 gauge at close range
With a 22 placed directly in the heart the person shot can still shoot back multiple times
Miss the heart and hit lungs and they may be a threat for a half hour or more
A 12 gauge round to the chest and they will drop like a rock
I carry a H&K p7 m10 and I hand load my carry rounds
They are loaded so hot that a few hundred rounds would destroy the gun.
Besides a few for testing they are only fired in defense
A 22 hollow point will knock a chunk out of a water melon
These rounds explode it like a bomb went off
Stopping or knock down power is king
the problem with handloaded ammo in a defensive situation is that the cops/prosecutors WILL use it against you and claim you made them specifically to murder.
a friend of mine in another state i used to live in is sitting in prison after a clear cut self defense shooting. i was a witness. my friend was convicted because he used handloaded .45 hydrashoks he hot loaded. prosecutor used the damage the round did to the a-hole trying to stab him to death as he walked down the street as evidence of manslaughter and "excessive force". he will be behind bars for years for that.

moral: never use handloads in a defensive shooting
it should not matter, but for some reason it does

“Facts”

Since: May 08

Mexico

#18 Sep 16, 2013
riven wrote:
<quoted text>the problem with handloaded ammo in a defensive situation is that the cops/prosecutors WILL use it against you and claim you made them specifically to murder.
a friend of mine in another state i used to live in is sitting in prison after a clear cut self defense shooting. i was a witness. my friend was convicted because he used handloaded .45 hydrashoks he hot loaded. prosecutor used the damage the round did to the a-hole trying to stab him to death as he walked down the street as evidence of manslaughter and "excessive force". he will be behind bars for years for that.

moral: never use handloads in a defensive shooting
it should not matter, but for some reason it does
I also hand load hydro shock and black talon
I also load them as a plus p plus

I hav

“Facts”

Since: May 08

Mexico

#19 Sep 16, 2013
riven wrote:
<quoted text>the problem with handloaded ammo in a defensive situation is that the cops/prosecutors WILL use it against you and claim you made them specifically to murder.
a friend of mine in another state i used to live in is sitting in prison after a clear cut self defense shooting. i was a witness. my friend was convicted because he used handloaded .45 hydrashoks he hot loaded. prosecutor used the damage the round did to the a-hole trying to stab him to death as he walked down the street as evidence of manslaughter and "excessive force". he will be behind bars for years for that.

moral: never use handloads in a defensive shooting
it should not matter, but for some reason it does
Can definitely be a problem. And you are correct that legally you are better off with factory loads
Just like a triple tap to the chest will often cause a suit to be brought forward
Or a 44 mag can be seen as excessive

But if I am going to shoot the perp is going to die......

“Constitutionist/ SAF”

Since: Mar 08

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#20 Sep 16, 2013
Factory loads are very reliable (quality control is good), but home made rounds are the most reliable if you can trust the powder and other ingredients. There are ways to check everything.

Triple tap or hollow points can be used legally.

“Constitutionist/ SAF”

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#21 Sep 16, 2013
riven wrote:
<quoted text>
the problem with handloaded ammo in a defensive situation is that the cops/prosecutors WILL use it against you and claim you made them specifically to murder.
a friend of mine in another state i used to live in is sitting in prison after a clear cut self defense shooting. i was a witness. my friend was convicted because he used handloaded .45 hydrashoks he hot loaded. prosecutor used the damage the round did to the a-hole trying to stab him to death as he walked down the street as evidence of manslaughter and "excessive force". he will be behind bars for years for that.
moral: never use handloads in a defensive shooting
it should not matter, but for some reason it does
Provide a link to a case where handloads made the shooter guilty.

“Facts”

Since: May 08

Mexico

#22 Sep 16, 2013
Tory II wrote:
Factory loads are very reliable (quality control is good), but home made rounds are the most reliable if you can trust the powder and other ingredients. There are ways to check everything.

Triple tap or hollow points can be used legally.
I am a competitive shooter in both pistol and rifle and except for some matches that require factory loads all top competitors use hand loads
Just changing the primer can add a inch to a group of shots

Also a factory load can't be as reliable as weighing out every single grain in hand loads

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