30-06 (7.62X63) vs .308 (7.62X51)

30-06 (7.62X63) vs .308 (7.62X51)

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“Constitutionist/ SAF”

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#1 Feb 19, 2011
Old vs new ?

Both are military rounds.

Year 1906 vs year 1952-56.

Ballistics are identical BUT, the 30-06 bullet is heavier.

60,000psi vs 60,000 psi

2800 fps vs 2800 fps

2800 ft lbs of force vs 2600 ft lbs of force
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The .243 Winchester uses the case of the .308

The 30-06 has slightly more knockdown power than the .308

“Constitutionist/ SAF”

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#2 Feb 19, 2011
7.62X54 Russian (or Dragunov).

Designed in year 1891 for the Mosin Nagant (manual bolt rifle)!! The oldest round in military-use today (Wikipedia). Russians use it in their infantry machne gun (PKM).

It's a rimmed cartridge (as in a revolver cartridge).

57,000psi

2600fps (muzzle velocity)

2700 ft lbs of force

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#3 Feb 24, 2011
Wolverine wrote:
6.5mmX55mm
Funny. Ah haha.

It's another old round with good function.
Carcajou

Cumberland, MD

#4 Feb 26, 2011
Tory II wrote:
<quoted text>Funny. Ah haha.
It's another old round with good function.
It may be old, but it functions just fine. It has been winning 300 meter competions for over 100 years. Plus ask the Germans & the Russians what the Swedes-Norwegians & Finns did to them in the 1940s with this little round. I say shoot what ever you are comfortable & accurate with. My 12 year old can knock the gnat off a deer's hide at 100 yards with her .243 Winchester.

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#5 Feb 27, 2011
Whatever. We already know a bigger bullet has the greater knockdown power.

7.62mm > 6.5mm > .243

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#6 Feb 27, 2011
Forgot:

I would prefer the newer 7.62X51 over the two older rounds: the 30-06 and 7.62X54Russian.

The length of the entire round is shorter, the bullet is the same size, but has equal power.

The 7.62X51 is as small as I want to go (6.5mm is too small).

Of those three sizes I would buy the lower cost semiauto gun in either size. The manual bolt Mosin-Nagant is $100.00 (7.62X54R) is best buy.

The semiauto FPK is the best buy:

http://www.centerfiresystems.com/RIFLE-AKFPK-...
Carcajou

Cumberland, MD

#7 Feb 27, 2011
Tory II wrote:
Whatever. We already know a bigger bullet has the greater knockdown power.
7.62mm > 6.5mm > .243
Who cares? Animals are rarely "knocked down" when harvested during a legal hunting season. Studies have been done on the effectiveness on Moose of the 6.5 Swede vs. everything up to .338 Magnum in Scandinavia. They harvest somewhere between 150,000 & 350,000 moose a year, on average. There was no apparent difference in the effectiveness of caliber above the 6.5. So using any thing larger was just overkill. Dead is dead.

Bigger bullets also need more powder to launch them and that translates into more recoil, less practice & less accuracy. I support using whatever gun & caliber you are comfortable with & will practice A LOT with.

Plus I am a big advocate of freedom - USE WHAT EVER FLOATS YOUR FKNG BOAT.
Carcajou

Cumberland, MD

#8 Feb 27, 2011
Plus you forgot I already own a .22-250 Remington,.243 Winchester,.308 Winchester,.300 Winchester Short Magnum, and that I needed something between the .243 & .308 that was light kicking, extremely accurate, and fairly easy to find ammo or components for. The 6.5x55 Swedish Mauser fits that to a T. Isn't freedom great? Since buying the Swede, I have also bought a 7mm Remington Magnum. I can hunt anything with my battery of guns.

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#9 Feb 27, 2011
You ignored the cost factor. If a gun buyer can only afford one gun purchase then which gun should it be ? Keep in mind WalMart doesn't sell every size/type bullet.

Personally, I believe all christians, people who worship ghosts (after they deify them) should never be allowed to buy a rifle that fires a 6.5X55 bullet, but that's just the way I am.
Carcajou

Cumberland, MD

#10 Feb 27, 2011
Tory II wrote:
You ignored the cost factor. If a gun buyer can only afford one gun purchase then which gun should it be ? Keep in mind WalMart doesn't sell every size/type bullet.
Personally, I believe all christians, people who worship ghosts (after they deify them) should never be allowed to buy a rifle that fires a 6.5X55 bullet, but that's just the way I am.
I believe you are an atheist idiot, but that's just the way I am. Your right & choice is none of my business, as mine are none of yours. I support the rights, freedoms & privileges of all humans to do as they choose, so long as it does not violate another human's rights, freedoms & privileges.

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#11 Feb 27, 2011
Carcajou wrote:
<quoted text>I believe you are an atheist idiot, but that's just the way I am. Your right & choice is none of my business, as mine are none of yours. I support the rights, freedoms & privileges of all humans to do as they choose, so long as it does not violate another human's rights, freedoms & privileges.
I don't give a damm about the rights of antigun people (especially if they worship ghosts).
Carcajou

Cumberland, MD

#12 Feb 27, 2011
Tory II wrote:
<quoted text>I don't give a damm about the rights of antigun people (especially if they worship ghosts).
I care about all of our rights for all HUMANS. To denigrate any persons rights allows others to think that they can harm other rights. You are a self centered atheist idiot, who is not a libertarian.

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#13 Feb 27, 2011
Carcajou wrote:
<quoted text>I care about all of our rights for all HUMANS. To denigrate any persons rights allows others to think that they can harm other rights. You are a self centered atheist idiot, who is not a libertarian.
I don't defend or protect American born and bred Nazis who use and need free speech to destroy my rights. Their goals, Mr Liberty, is to deny all of us all of our rights.

I'm not a libertarian. I'm a Constitutionalist (Constitutionist), and I'm not referring to the North Korea Constitution.
Seen It Before

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#14 Feb 27, 2011
I have no problem with either round. When I was a kid we had rifles chambered in both. Now I have a .308 Remington model 7600 with a synthetic stock
Carcajou

Cumberland, MD

#15 Feb 27, 2011
Tory II wrote:
<quoted text>I don't defend or protect American born and bred Nazis who use and need free speech to destroy my rights. Their goals, Mr Liberty, is to deny all of us all of our rights.
I'm not a libertarian. I'm a Constitutionalist (Constitutionist), and I'm not referring to the North Korea Constitution.
BULLSHIT! Our constitution was written to protect EVERYONE'S rights, not just those YOU approve of. To allow infringement on anyone's rights lets politicians & judges & cops think that they can infringe on ours. Simple! To protect our rights we should support & protect EVERYONE'S rights.

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#16 Feb 27, 2011
Bullshit, nazi lover !! Paul Helmke doesn't have any rights. The only reason he's still alive is because we need to observe WHO the thousands of nazi pigs are that protect him from America's patriots.

Because of all the Helmkes, scores of Judges and Politicians already believe they can INFRINGE my rights. And they do. Thousands of nazi Judges and Politicians completely restrict my natural rights (clearly enumerated in the Constitution) to carry a weapon in public, to speak out against Amerikan born and bred Nazis who want absolute govt control over me.

You need to suck their pricks, pig lover. Defending antigun nazis is the same as being antigun. The antigun nazi uses free speech to disarm thousands of people and make them victims of criminal attack and political prisoners.

Go live in France, nazi lover.
Carcajou

Cumberland, MD

#17 Feb 27, 2011
Buulshit. ALL American have rights. You are the fuckingnazi here, who would deny people their rights because you disagree with them. You are insane. As for the rest of your insane babbling, it is nothing more than projection & verbal vomit.

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#18 Feb 28, 2011
Carcajou wrote:
Buulshit. ALL American have rights. You are the fuckingnazi here, who would deny people their rights because you disagree with them. You are insane. As for the rest of your insane babbling, it is nothing more than projection & verbal vomit.
You're a pig. Pigs are the largest, most antigun group of Amerikanos. You tell everyone you carry concealed illegally BECAUSE you want to encourage gun owners to do it so the pigs can arrest them.

Tell everyone how YOU would defend Adolf Hitler's free speech rights. Tell everyone how YOU would defend Joe Stalin's free speech rights. Tell everyone how YOU would defend Pol Pot's free speech rights. Yep. YOU tell us how it's so important to protect the RIGHTS of the next Hitler to promote genocide or slave labor.

A pig is a backstabber. Pigs like you are the reason we have gun control. Pigs like you support the Patriot Act.

“Why call 911? 1911 is faster”

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#19 Feb 28, 2011
Tory II wrote:
<quoted text>I don't give a damm about the rights of antigun people (especially if they worship ghosts).
Whatís up with you and your Wal-Mart obsession? I believe you would suck off Sam Walton if he were still alive. Iíve proven to you Wal-Mart has anti-gun policies, despite that you still shop there.

You constantly go on about which bullet is best. As with guns, right tool for the job. Add to that differences of opinions. For example a friend of mine went wild hog hunting yesterday. I asked him what he brought, he bought a .410 and was shooting slugs. Itíll get the job done but I prefer the 45-70 for hog hunting. Whoís right? Both of us.

What does religion have to do with gun ownership? Try this, get a job. Get out in the world a bit. Maybe you would be less paranoid.

“Why call 911? 1911 is faster”

Since: Feb 08

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#20 Feb 28, 2011
Tory II wrote:
<quoted text>You're a pig. Pigs are the largest, most antigun group of Amerikanos. You tell everyone you carry concealed illegally BECAUSE you want to encourage gun owners to do it so the pigs can arrest them.
Tell everyone how YOU would defend Adolf Hitler's free speech rights. Tell everyone how YOU would defend Joe Stalin's free speech rights. Tell everyone how YOU would defend Pol Pot's free speech rights. Yep. YOU tell us how it's so important to protect the RIGHTS of the next Hitler to promote genocide or slave labor.
A pig is a backstabber. Pigs like you are the reason we have gun control. Pigs like you support the Patriot Act.
At least he doesnít sleep with a hippo.

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