Residents react to concealed carry pr...

Residents react to concealed carry privacy bill

There are 51 comments on the KAIT-TV Jonesboro story from Feb 5, 2013, titled Residents react to concealed carry privacy bill. In it, KAIT-TV Jonesboro reports that:

JONESBORO, AR - A bill making its way through the Arkansas Senate could make information about gun owners private.

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Guest

Jonesboro, AR

#1 Feb 5, 2013
Good
Guest

Wynne, AR

#2 Feb 5, 2013
It should be private!
Refuse2See

Springdale, AR

#3 Feb 6, 2013
"Residents" are corporate entities.

Inhabitants carry more weight.
Guest

Jonesboro, AR

#4 Feb 6, 2013
Refuse2See wrote:
"Residents" are corporate entities.
Inhabitants carry more weight.
Resident has more than one definition, but for this purpose resident as a noun
2013 Merriam-Webster
First definition. Resident: 1. One who resides in a place
Inhabitant (15th century noun): one that occupies a particular place regularly, routinely or a period of time.
Residents are not corporate entities. Why do you think they say residential neighborhoods?
Inhabitant can imply temporary placement. When I am shopping I am inhabiting the store at that time. I do not reside there.
I hope that clears things up for you.
Post Turtle

United States

#5 Feb 6, 2013
The people who cry to get rid of guns always wish they had a gun when a thug has one pointed at them! Don't you have enough freakin sense to know that the criminals are going to have guns no matter what? Why don't you go on back to dreaming about rainbows and kittens and let the REAL Americans enjoy our freedom and our right to defend ourselves. I think the real problem here is that people like you are setting in their homes scared to face the real world. Spineless, smart mouthed citizens who are afraid of guns and life and they actually think in their fairy dusted brain that life would be so peaceful if they took our guns! Obama followers who can't think for themselves and who have drug America down and made us look FAR from the country we use to be. What do you really plan to do when you are sitting in your home and someone breaks in to rob, murder or rape you or someone you love? I don't think rainbows, care bears and unicorns will help you and neither will Obama!!
Guest

Jonesboro, AR

#6 Feb 6, 2013
Post Turtle wrote:
The people who cry to get rid of guns always wish they had a gun when a thug has one pointed at them! Don't you have enough freakin sense to know that the criminals are going to have guns no matter what? Why don't you go on back to dreaming about rainbows and kittens and let the REAL Americans enjoy our freedom and our right to defend ourselves. I think the real problem here is that people like you are setting in their homes scared to face the real world. Spineless, smart mouthed citizens who are afraid of guns and life and they actually think in their fairy dusted brain that life would be so peaceful if they took our guns! Obama followers who can't think for themselves and who have drug America down and made us look FAR from the country we use to be. What do you really plan to do when you are sitting in your home and someone breaks in to rob, murder or rape you or someone you love? I don't think rainbows, care bears and unicorns will help you and neither will Obama!!
I really don't know what you are responding to. I replied "good" because I don't think it's anyone's business to know that I own guns and what and how many. In the northeast somewhere, I don't remember the exact place, a newspaper used the freedom of information act to obtain the records of all the legal gun owners and where they live; and proceeded to print that information in the local paper. That let the criminals know which homes did not have guns, making them a target for burglary or worse because the criminal knew they did not have fire arms. On the other hand it let criminals that are out to steal guns to know where to go to steal them. This privacy bill will prevent that from happening to us. That is why I think this bill is a good thing!
the real guest

Ridgedale, MO

#7 Feb 6, 2013
If people wouldn't trade their 2nd Amendment rights for a government granted privilege, there wouldn't be any need for laws to privatize gun owner information.
Post Turtle

United States

#8 Feb 6, 2013
Guest wrote:
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I really don't know what you are responding to. I replied "good" because I don't think it's anyone's business to know that I own guns and what and how many. In the northeast somewhere, I don't remember the exact place, a newspaper used the freedom of information act to obtain the records of all the legal gun owners and where they live; and proceeded to print that information in the local paper. That let the criminals know which homes did not have guns, making them a target for burglary or worse because the criminal knew they did not have fire arms. On the other hand it let criminals that are out to steal guns to know where to go to steal them. This privacy bill will prevent that from happening to us. That is why I think this bill is a good thing!
My responding is just in general, Not to you but thanks for seeing it.
Guest

Jonesboro, AR

#11 Feb 8, 2013
Post Turtle wrote:
<quoted text>My responding is just in general, Not to you but thanks for seeing it.
Do you think it's anyone's business to know you have guns, how many, what make and model they are, your name and where you live? This bill is to keep from happening to us what happened in that area in the northeast.
Guest

Jonesboro, AR

#12 Feb 8, 2013
the real guest wrote:
If people wouldn't trade their 2nd Amendment rights for a government granted privilege, there wouldn't be any need for laws to privatize gun owner information.
Whose trading their second amendment rights for a government granted privilege? I'm not. But I do think this bill is a good thing. It is nobody's right to know I own guns, how many, what make and model they are, my name or my address. A paper in the northeast obtained this information through the freedom of information act and printed every bit of what I said, This bill protects us from that happening to us.
the real guest

Ridgedale, MO

#13 Feb 9, 2013
Guest wrote:
Whose trading their second amendment rights for a government granted privilege?
Anyone that stops carrying a gun as a matter of right and trades it for a permit issued by the state.

A permit or a license is government's permission to do something that would otherwise be illegal. Yet, there is nothing illegal about exercising your 2nd Amendment rights.

When you obtain a permit or a license, then your activity is controlled by government regulation and you are no longer free. When your activity is done as a matter of right, you are regulated only by common law.
It is nobody's right to know I own guns, how many, what make and model they are, my name or my address.
I agree. But how does government know you have any guns to begin with? Didn't you give them that information when you applied for a CCW license? Did you volunteer to give them that info when you purchased a gun from a licensed dealer?

See, licenses place one under government regulation. Those regulations require that government be given the very information you and I both agree should remain private.

So, my point is that if people exercised their 2nd Amendment rights rather than seeking permission from government, they wouldn't have given government that information in the first place and there would be no need for the legislature to pass a law to protect it.
Guest

Jonesboro, AR

#14 Feb 9, 2013
When you legally buy a gun, then they already have that information. Without that bill, your information could be released under the freedom of information act. What did you think they did with all the information you had to give to buy that gun. It wasn't only for a background check. It was registering the gun. I do have a few guns left to me by my father and grandfather that are not registered to me. Only one hand gun is liscenced under the carry and conceal. Not the other handgun, rifles or shotguns.
the real guest

Ridgedale, MO

#15 Feb 9, 2013
Guest wrote:
When you legally buy a gun, then they already have that information.
That depends on where you buy it. It's not illegal to purchase guns from private parties.

Licensed gun dealers are required by regulation to collect all sorts of data and turn it over to the government. Again, that's only because those dealers have traded their right to sell guns for government permission in the form of a license.

You do have the option of not buying guns from licensed dealers.
Without that bill, your information could be released under the freedom of information act.
I'm not opposed to the bill. I'm just pointing out that the problem is one of our own making. If we would stand up and exercise our rights as sovereign citizens rather than bowing down to government demands like subjects then we wouldn't need a law to secure private information.
Refuse2See

Springdale, AR

#16 Feb 9, 2013
Guest wrote:
<quoted text>
Resident has more than one definition, but for this purpose resident as a noun
2013 Merriam-Webster
First definition. Resident: 1. One who resides in a place
Inhabitant (15th century noun): one that occupies a particular place regularly, routinely or a period of time.
Residents are not corporate entities. Why do you think they say residential neighborhoods?
Inhabitant can imply temporary placement. When I am shopping I am inhabiting the store at that time. I do not reside there.
I hope that clears things up for you.
Well,Let us take a look:

RESIDENT
By Black's Law Dictionary 2nd Edition on November 7, 2011 in R

One who has his residence in a place.“Resident” and “inhabitant” are distinguishable in meaning. The word “inhabitant” implies a more fixed and permanent abode than does “resident;” and a resident may not be entitled to all the privileges or subject to all the duties of an inhabitant. Frost v. Brisbin, 19 Wend.(NY.)[...]
I hope that clears things up for you.
Refuse2See

Springdale, AR

#17 Feb 9, 2013
Refuse2See wrote:
<quoted text>
Well,Let us take a look:
RESIDENT
By Black's Law Dictionary 2nd Edition on November 7, 2011 in R
One who has his residence in a place.“Resident” and “inhabitant” are distinguishable in meaning. The word “inhabitant” implies a more fixed and permanent abode than does “resident;” and a resident may not be entitled to all the privileges or subject to all the duties of an inhabitant. Frost v. Brisbin, 19 Wend.(NY.)[...]
I hope that clears things up for you.
Also a tenant, who was obliged to reside on his lord’s land, and not to depart from the same; called, also,“homme levant et couch- ant,” and in Normandy,“resscant du fief.”

Forgot the best part!
Guest

Jonesboro, AR

#18 Feb 9, 2013
Why is resident and inhabitant an arguement? The first definitions that person wrote ate correct. I don't know where the first person to state those terms got his information, but by his second post quoting Blacks which is not an accepted dictionary in college misunderstood the definitions.
Guest

Jonesboro, AR

#19 Feb 9, 2013
the real guest wrote:
<quoted text>
Anyone that stops carrying a gun as a matter of right and trades it for a permit issued by the state.
A permit or a license is government's permission to do something that would otherwise be illegal. Yet, there is nothing illegal about exercising your 2nd Amendment rights.
When you obtain a permit or a license, then your activity is controlled by government regulation and you are no longer free. When your activity is done as a matter of right, you are regulated only by common law.
<quoted text>
I agree. But how does government know you have any guns to begin with? Didn't you give them that information when you applied for a CCW license? Did you volunteer to give them that info when you purchased a gun from a licensed dealer?
See, licenses place one under government regulation. Those regulations require that government be given the very information you and I both agree should remain private.
So, my point is that if people exercised their 2nd Amendment rights rather than seeking permission from government, they wouldn't have given government that information in the first place and there would be no need for the legislature to pass a law to protect it.
I'm not going to illegally purchase guns and finding a private citizen selling a gun you want is nearly impossible.
Guest

Jonesboro, AR

#20 Feb 9, 2013
Refuse2See wrote:
<quoted text>
Well,Let us take a look:
RESIDENT
By Black's Law Dictionary 2nd Edition on November 7, 2011 in R
One who has his residence in a place.“Resident” and “inhabitant” are distinguishable in meaning. The word “inhabitant” implies a more fixed and permanent abode than does “resident;” and a resident may not be entitled to all the privileges or subject to all the duties of an inhabitant. Frost v. Brisbin, 19 Wend.(NY.)[...]
I hope that clears things up for you.
You've got that backwards.
Left2TheBack

Springdale, AR

#21 Feb 9, 2013
Guest wrote:
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You've got that backwards.
You've been deceived.
Guest

Jonesboro, AR

#22 Feb 9, 2013
Left2TheBack wrote:
<quoted text>
You've been deceived.
No, I don't. I do not think the Merriam-Webster's dictionary is wrong. It is the accepted dictionary for use in education all the way from kindergarten to the highest degrees in college. All U.S., Candaian, and English universities public and private. By their difinition you have the two terms backwards.
This is a gun privacy bill discussion thread. Set aside your definitions and chime in on this bill, which, by the way, will use all terms as defined in the Merriam-Webster dictionary.

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