Members of Erie's faith community tal...

Members of Erie's faith community talk gun control

There are 147 comments on the Erie Times News story from Jan 30, 2013, titled Members of Erie's faith community talk gun control. In it, Erie Times News reports that:

About 20 people attended a forum at the Booker T. Washington Center in Erie on Jan.

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mind your own

Oil City, PA

#136 Feb 7, 2013
magic chef wrote:
<quoted text> I can take my car to the store or run people over. The only 2 things you can do with a gun are kill and practice killing.
So when my 6 year old is shooting tin cans with his .22 you believe that he is practicing to kill someone?
Do you still feel that he is practicing to kill someone when he is shooting those same tin cans with his slingshot??
What about when he is just throwing rocks at the cans useing his arm.
All three are exactly the same thing, a boy throwing a rock at a can.
He does it because it is alot of fun, I'm fairly sure he has no criminal intent
magic chef

Struthers, OH

#137 Feb 7, 2013
mind your own wrote:
<quoted text>
So when my 6 year old is shooting tin cans with his .22 you believe that he is practicing to kill someone?
Do you still feel that he is practicing to kill someone when he is shooting those same tin cans with his slingshot??
What about when he is just throwing rocks at the cans useing his arm.
All three are exactly the same thing, a boy throwing a rock at a can.
He does it because it is alot of fun, I'm fairly sure he has no criminal intent
Nobody said anything criminal intent or murder. I said killing. Now introduce me to the gun owner who has never killed anything.
mind your own

Oil City, PA

#138 Feb 7, 2013
magic chef wrote:
<quoted text>Nobody said anything criminal intent or murder. I said killing. Now introduce me to the gun owner who has never killed anything.
My 6 year old owns a .22, he got it for christmas. he has never killed anything other than spiders, bees, that sort of thing.
Myself, I own hundreds of rifles and pistols, I do not hunt. I have killed farm animals such as chickens and rabbits for food but I have never used a firearm to kill them, a cleaver works just fine.
I enjoy target shooting and I enjoy collecting millitary firearms.
So what was your point
skip the pee pee

Erie, PA

#139 Feb 7, 2013
magic chef wrote:
<quoted text>Nobody said anything criminal intent or murder. I said killing. Now introduce me to the gun owner who has never killed anything.
Hi moron. No matter what name you post under, your simple minded jibberish gives you away. Now be a good little guy and get a knife and kill yourself. You are pretty worthless.
Besara

Omaha, NE

#140 Feb 7, 2013
magic chef wrote:
<quoted text>Nobody said anything criminal intent or murder. I said killing. Now introduce me to the gun owner who has never killed anything.
What would you like to know? I haven't killed anything with any of my guns.
Modern Day Redneck

Struthers, OH

#141 Feb 7, 2013
Besara wrote:
<quoted text>What would you like to know? I haven't killed anything with any of my guns.
this is an easy 1 you're a liar!
Besara

Omaha, NE

#143 Feb 7, 2013
Modern Day Redneck wrote:
<quoted text> this is an easy 1 you're a liar!
If you say so, child molester.
skip the pee pee

Waterford, PA

#144 Feb 7, 2013
mind your own wrote:
<quoted text>
a semi auto,(which you like to call assault weapons) and a machine gun differ by what happens when you pull the trigger.
1. pull the trigger on a semi auto and it goes Bang.
2 pull the trigger on a machine gun and it goes, bang, bang bang, bang, bang, bang until you let off the trigger or run out of ammo.
so your answer is no they aren't the same and it has nothing to do with magazies.
and no it is not ok for you to own a nuke because the right to own one is not covered under the 2nd amendment. do your research before spouting your propaganda over your definition of one word
1-2 yep, I get the idea. But I bet with practice someone with a machine gun could squeeze off only one round. And someone with a quick trigger finger could use a semi auto almost as fast as an auto. I bet the parents of the Newtown kids didn't care about the difference and I don't either.

You are never going to convince me that the word in the 2nd amendment is guns and not armaments. Even during the era things like crossbows and catapults were known to them. They just had little practical value. But those were times where Liberty was paramount and you are not going to convince me that if an early colonialist wanted a crossbow OR a catapult, that it would be forbidden. Odd, but I not forbidden, due to the pursuit of happiness.

Fast forward to today and what if a personal nuke brings me personal happiness and I use your excuse that it's not for killing? I have a RIGHT to pursue my happiness, don't I? Or isn't that a right?

The other point is we can limit things as safety concerns which take precedence whether you like it or not. I'd bet back in the day people wore guns in court as a natural thing. Not any more. And THAT is no less a violation of the 2nd amendment for people like you than banning guns permanently, yet I haven't heard about people taking up arms against the government over their right to have a gun in a courtroom. Have you?
rider

Gwinn, MI

#146 Feb 7, 2013
A loose organization and secrecy were paramount for Vereide. Fellowship archives state that Vereide wanted his movement to “carry out its objective through personal, trusting, informal, unpublicized contact between people.” Vereide’s establishment of his Prayer Breakfast Movement for anti-Socialist and anti-International Workers of the World (IWW or “Wobblies”) Seattle businessmen in 1935 coincided with the establishment of another pro-Nazi German organization in the United States, the German-American Bund. Vereide saw his prayer movement replacing labor unions.
What bound all so-called “America First” movements prior to World War II was their common hatred for labor unions, Communists and Socialists, Jews, and most definitely, the administration of President Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Vereide’s Prayer Breakfast Movement, pro-Nazi German groups like the Bund, and a resurgent Ku Klux Klan had more than propaganda in common – they had an interlocking leadership and a coordinated political agenda.



http://www.insider-magazine.com/christianmafi...
Modern Day Blackthug

Erie, PA

#147 Feb 8, 2013
Modern Day Redneck wrote:
<quoted text> this is an easy 1 you're a liar!
Me and mines owns POS like you.
What

Erie, PA

#148 Feb 8, 2013
magic chef wrote:
<quoted text> I can take my car to the store or run people over. The only 2 things you can do with a gun are kill and practice killing.
Okay, lets use your logic!Lets say I spend my whole life practicing to kill people with my big bad gun but I never ever kill anyone with it! What have I done wrong and what gives the government the right to take my property?
mind your own

Oil City, PA

#149 Feb 8, 2013
skip the pee pee wrote:
<quoted text>
1-2 yep, I get the idea. But I bet with practice someone with a machine gun could squeeze off only one round. And someone with a quick trigger finger could use a semi auto almost as fast as an auto. I bet the parents of the Newtown kids didn't care about the difference and I don't either.
You are never going to convince me that the word in the 2nd amendment is guns and not armaments. Even during the era things like crossbows and catapults were known to them. They just had little practical value. But those were times where Liberty was paramount and you are not going to convince me that if an early colonialist wanted a crossbow OR a catapult, that it would be forbidden. Odd, but I not forbidden, due to the pursuit of happiness.
Fast forward to today and what if a personal nuke brings me personal happiness and I use your excuse that it's not for killing? I have a RIGHT to pursue my happiness, don't I? Or isn't that a right?
The other point is we can limit things as safety concerns which take precedence whether you like it or not. I'd bet back in the day people wore guns in court as a natural thing. Not any more. And THAT is no less a violation of the 2nd amendment for people like you than banning guns permanently, yet I haven't heard about people taking up arms against the government over their right to have a gun in a courtroom. Have you?
You are right, You have the right to pursue happiness. It doesnt say you have a right to happiness. Driving a car may make you happy. You can go get a job to make some money to buy a car. You can study and take your drivers test. But driving a car is not a right it is a privilage, but you are free to pursue it if it makes you happy.
owning a nuke is not a right, But if owning one makes you happy, you do have the right to pursue that happiness. you can right your congressman and represenatives to get laws changed. organize a group of like minded people to set up demonstration. you are free to do this.
what do I always feel like Im teaching third grade when I answer you? everybody else gets it but you!!
magic chef

Struthers, OH

#150 Feb 8, 2013
What wrote:
<quoted text>Okay, lets use your logic!Lets say I spend my whole life practicing to kill people with my big bad gun but I never ever kill anyone with it! What have I done wrong and what gives the government the right to take my property?
Is somebody talking about taking your guns? Please provide the quote. I guess I missed that.
Archie

Payson, AZ

#151 Feb 8, 2013
Up the collective butts of those wimpish swine.
They can sit around and sing Kumbaya.
skip the pee pee

Waterford, PA

#152 Feb 8, 2013
mind your own wrote:
<quoted text>
You are right, You have the right to pursue happiness. It doesnt say you have a right to happiness. Driving a car may make you happy. You can go get a job to make some money to buy a car. You can study and take your drivers test. But driving a car is not a right it is a privilage, but you are free to pursue it if it makes you happy.
owning a nuke is not a right, But if owning one makes you happy, you do have the right to pursue that happiness. you can right your congressman and represenatives to get laws changed. organize a group of like minded people to set up demonstration. you are free to do this.
what do I always feel like Im teaching third grade when I answer you? everybody else gets it but you!!
Here's the $64,000 dollar question: On what basis don't I have a right to own a nuke?
skip the pee pee

Waterford, PA

#153 Feb 8, 2013
What wrote:
<quoted text>Okay, lets use your logic!Lets say I spend my whole life practicing to kill people with my big bad gun but I never ever kill anyone with it! What have I done wrong and what gives the government the right to take my property?
Dude, they can take your guns on a sworn statement that you are dangerous and threatening even before you get a trial on your guilt or innocence. Welcome to America.

And of course there is no punishment for making a false claim, deliberately knowing it is false or not.
skip the pee pee

Waterford, PA

#154 Feb 8, 2013
Oh. My bad. If you have millions of dollars to fight your way to the ultimate in the court system you may in fact find out you have rights after all.

Good luck with that.
mind your own

Oil City, PA

#155 Feb 8, 2013
skip the pee pee wrote:
<quoted text>
Dude, they can take your guns on a sworn statement that you are dangerous and threatening even before you get a trial on your guilt or innocence. Welcome to America.
And of course there is no punishment for making a false claim, deliberately knowing it is false or not.
Sorry , you are wrong again. they dont take your guns. they just are not allowed to be in your possesion. In that case you may give them to a family member or friend to hold on to
mind your own

Oil City, PA

#156 Feb 8, 2013
skip the pee pee wrote:
<quoted text>
Here's the $64,000 dollar question: On what basis don't I have a right to own a nuke?
back to teaching third grade agian..
2nd amendment is about Firearms. everyone except you understands that
skip the pee pee

Waterford, PA

#157 Feb 8, 2013
mind your own wrote:
<quoted text>
back to teaching third grade agian..
2nd amendment is about Firearms. everyone except you understands that
A nuke is an armament with a lot of firepower, what's your point? It's NOT an armament or that it doesn't "fire"?

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