Members of Erie's faith community tal...

Members of Erie's faith community talk gun control

There are 147 comments on the Erie Times News story from Jan 30, 2013, titled Members of Erie's faith community talk gun control. In it, Erie Times News reports that:

About 20 people attended a forum at the Booker T. Washington Center in Erie on Jan.

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Duckweed

Ames, IA

#23 Feb 2, 2013
mind your own wrote:
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From everything I have heard and read, no kids were shot with a 9mm. All the reports say all were shot with a .223 which leaves a hole a little larger than one eighth of an inch across, about the same as a .22
It would take 100's if not 1000's of rounds to cut someone in half by shooting then with this caliber of a rifle.
further more, where did they see pictures of this??
WOW.
I stand corrected. So the kids weren't cut in half. Thank you for clearing that up.
How dare a nun try to make a massacre out to be a blood bath.
No I didn't see any pictures. Thank god he only used a .223 it is much better suited for shooting 6 year olds then a 9mm.
That damn nun tried to make 20 kids shot at school seem worse then it was.
She said those kids were cut in half when were just shot a couple times with little bullets.

You are a heartless bucket of mule piss.
I hope you are shot with just little bullets too one day.
mind your own

Oil City, PA

#24 Feb 2, 2013
Duckweed wrote:
<quoted text>
WOW.
I stand corrected. So the kids weren't cut in half. Thank you for clearing that up.
How dare a nun try to make a massacre out to be a blood bath.
No I didn't see any pictures. Thank god he only used a .223 it is much better suited for shooting 6 year olds then a 9mm.
That damn nun tried to make 20 kids shot at school seem worse then it was.
She said those kids were cut in half when were just shot a couple times with little bullets.
You are a heartless bucket of mule piss.
I hope you are shot with just little bullets too one day.
I'm not saying its not horrible. but why not be truthful about what happened. the only reason to exaggerate how bad things were is if you have an agenda you are trying to push.
How hard is it to JUST TELL THE TRUTH!!!
Dickweed

Ames, IA

#25 Feb 2, 2013
mind your own wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not saying its not horrible. but why not be truthful about what happened. the only reason to exaggerate how bad things were is if you have an agenda you are trying to push.
How hard is it to JUST TELL THE TRUTH!!!
Ask FOX NEWS how hard it is to tell the truth when pushing an agenda.
You are still a complete asshole and I personally sincerely hope you fall victim to gun violence, while your gun is sitting loaded in a drawer in your bedroom doing you absolutely no good.
Duckweed

Ames, IA

#26 Feb 2, 2013
Seized inside the school:
#1. Bushmaster .223 caliber– model XM15-E2S rifle with high capacity 30 round clips
#2. Glock 10 mm handgun
#3. Sig-Sauer P226 9mm handgun
Seized from suspect’s car in parking lot:
#4. Izhmash Canta-12 12 gauge Shotgun

I think your info on the guns used is wrong.
So I will reinstate my last statement.
"A 6 year old shot twice with a glock10mm qualifies as CUT IN HALF.
Gordon

Erie, PA

#27 Feb 2, 2013
Dickweed wrote:
<quoted text>
Ask FOX NEWS how hard it is to tell the truth when pushing an agenda.
You are still a complete and I personally sincerely hope you fall victim to gun violence, while your gun is sitting loaded in a drawer in your bedroom doing you absolutely no good.
Let talk about your beloved MSNBC and telling the truth.
http://www.google.com/search...
You are the deceived moronic a-hole. You are another poster child for liberal mental disorder.
mind your own

Oil City, PA

#28 Feb 2, 2013
Duckweed wrote:
Seized inside the school:
#1. Bushmaster .223 caliber– model XM15-E2S rifle with high capacity 30 round clips
#2. Glock 10 mm handgun
#3. Sig-Sauer P226 9mm handgun
Seized from suspect’s car in parking lot:
#4. Izhmash Canta-12 12 gauge Shotgun
I think your info on the guns used is wrong.
So I will reinstate my last statement.
"A 6 year old shot twice with a glock10mm qualifies as CUT IN HALF.
coroner reports that all of the children were shot with the bushmaster rifle and only the bushmaster rifle
tim

Fairview, PA

#29 Feb 2, 2013
you cant rid of the guns, ownership is protected by the constitution. sorry
mind your own

Oil City, PA

#30 Feb 2, 2013
Dickweed wrote:
<quoted text>
Ask FOX NEWS how hard it is to tell the truth when pushing an agenda.
You are still a complete asshole and I personally sincerely hope you fall victim to gun violence, while your gun is sitting loaded in a drawer in your bedroom doing you absolutely no good.
Thats where we differ, I dont wish violence on you. I hope that you never fall victim to someone with evel intentions.
I do hope that someday you will see that the left wing agenda is trying to brainwash you into thinking guns are evil and people that disagree with you need exterminated.
Dont worry about me, my gun has never been in the drawer. I live in the country and every time you walk out the door there is a chance you may need it.It is always on my side same as my pocket knife
Coyote

Erie, PA

#31 Feb 2, 2013
Our Sheriff Bob Mercer and his staff at the courthouse sure have been busy thanks to President Obama and Senator Feinstein. More carry permits have been applied for in 1 month than all of last year.

As for sales in general the instant background system is swamp. FFL dealers are sitting on hold for hours trying to get their forms approved.

It would seem far more people are anxious to stock up and get permits now than the anti gun is willing to admit are out there. Rest assured the politicians are taking note just how many will be watching to see how they vote on future legislation.
mind your own

Oil City, PA

#32 Feb 2, 2013
Dickweed wrote:
<quoted text>
Ask FOX NEWS how hard it is to tell the truth when pushing an agenda.
You are still a complete asshole and I personally sincerely hope you fall victim to gun violence, while your gun is sitting loaded in a drawer in your bedroom doing you absolutely no good.
We need to break down your statement a little
1. I'm an asshole because I want people to tell the truth.
2.You hope that I get shot because I disagree with you.
3. you hope I dont have a firearm with me when I am shot because firearms in the hands of a responsible citizens does change the outcome of such an encounter
skip the pee pee

Waterford, PA

#33 Feb 2, 2013
Coyote wrote:
Our Sheriff Bob Mercer and his staff at the courthouse sure have been busy thanks to President Obama and Senator Feinstein. More carry permits have been applied for in 1 month than all of last year.
As for sales in general the instant background system is swamp. FFL dealers are sitting on hold for hours trying to get their forms approved.
It would seem far more people are anxious to stock up and get permits now than the anti gun is willing to admit are out there. Rest assured the politicians are taking note just how many will be watching to see how they vote on future legislation.
Yeah, but I'd bet many of these are the same demographic Glenn Beck's food insurance ads are aimed at, so that kinda speaks for itself.(BTW did you know the constitution is hanging by a thread?)
skip the pee pee

Waterford, PA

#34 Feb 2, 2013
PS Erie's gun nuts ARE a faith community. haHaHa.
Dickweed

Ames, IA

#35 Feb 2, 2013
mind your own wrote:
<quoted text>
coroner reports that all of the children were shot with the bushmaster rifle and only the bushmaster rifle
It really makes a huge difference that a room full kids was shot with rifle while he had the handguns on him.
Did the 30 round clip contribute to the number of kids killed or not.
And yes
I think you are an asshole because in this whole mess what pisses you off most is a nun refered to the kids as cut in half when they were just shot with a smaller caliber bullet, out of a 30 round clip of hunting rifle.

So answer this question. Did the 30 round clip make killing 26 people easier?
When deer hunting, is there ever an oppurtunity to shoot at deer 30 times before reloading?
So I guess I thank ou for pointing out that the clip was the most responsible piece of equipment in this shooting.

Thnk you for your words of kindness in response to my horrid wishes upon you. They have been taken into account.
Black opp false flag

Erie, PA

#36 Feb 2, 2013
Dickweed wrote:
<quoted text>
It really makes a huge difference that a room full kids was shot with rifle while he had the handguns on him.
Did the 30 round clip contribute to the number of kids killed or not.
And yes
I think you are an asshole because in this whole mess what pisses you off most is a nun refered to the kids as cut in half when they were just shot with a smaller caliber bullet, out of a 30 round clip of hunting rifle.
So answer this question. Did the 30 round clip make killing 26 people easier?
When deer hunting, is there ever an oppurtunity to shoot at deer 30 times before reloading?
So I guess I thank ou for pointing out that the clip was the most responsible piece of equipment in this shooting.
Thnk you for your words of kindness in response to my horrid wishes upon you. They have been taken into account.
You are one gullible idiot.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#37 Feb 2, 2013
skip the pee pee wrote:
I wish I had known Bob's gun shop was having a forum. I'd have gone if possible to press their shit.
The statute is a right to keep and bear arms (armaments) and if you're against a Muslim American citizen being allowed to own a nuke for some suspect necessary "self defense" situation, then you don't believe in the 2nd Amendment yourself. Period.
Let's get Bob on the horn here and have him speak to this, eh?
Let me give you a hint. IF you go to Bob's you had better speak English while there. Otherwise you will be shown the door post haste.....
Black opp false flag

Erie, PA

#38 Feb 2, 2013


Was the Sandy Hook Massacre a False Flag Operation? Early Eyewitness Reports From Newton, CT Suggest So ... We will continue to follow this story closely because there are just too many unanswered questions, and the "official" version of what happened on Friday at Sandy Hook Elementary continues to shift and change.– SGTReport

Dominant Social Theme: There are no more questions to ask. Everything is settled.

Free-Market Analysis: There are questions to ask, just as there were at Columbine where hundreds of witnesses saw more than two young shooters and tried, to no avail, to testify about what they witnessed.

The Columbine investigation was closed without addressing this point and many others, including the medical condition of the two young men who live on only in bloody Internet pictures. Viewers have pointed out inconsistencies in the death photos that tend to undermine the idea of a mutual suicide – the official story.

Questions emerged after the recent Aurora cinema shooting in Colorado by suspect James Holmes, as well. Eyewitnesses even questioned whether it was Holmes who actually did the shooting.

And even more questions are being raised following the Sandy Hook Connecticut shooting, as we can see from the above excerpt. Similar questions have been raised on numerous alternative websites including the alternative conservative site Free Republic (in a thread recently pulled).

There have been too many of these shootings with too many official inconsistencies. A better way of getting information to the public has to be worked out.

Otherwise, mistrust will continue to grow within the alternative media community. The more the officials seem to be equivocating, the more this perspective will take hold.

For instance, a list from one "Clare Kuehn" is circulating around the Internet.

What is interesting is that we cannot find the initial list from Kuehn and the list itself may certainly be disinformation of a sort. The very first point, regarding skepticism as to whether children are dead would seem to invalidate the larger list. Numerous questions are offered without evidence and this in itself is a disinformation technique.

Yet the list's large-scale circulation on the 'Net, along with other such lists, provides us with evidence regarding the growing cynicism attached to these events.

This is the important point. When the body politic begins to show evident and obvious mistrust, the powers-that-be have got to realize they need to do a better job regarding communication of the facts surrounding these horrible shootings>
Black opp false flag

Erie, PA

#39 Feb 2, 2013
Newtown Massacre...the MAJOR DISCREPANCIES LIST

by Clare Kuehn

1) As yet, we have not seen any concrete evidence that any child died.

2) As yet, parents have not been allowed to see their children.(Photoshopped pictures do not count.)

3) As of now, I have seen only one unambiguous statement from a grieving parent (Robbie Parker).

4) According to the official story, Adam Lanza was found with his older brother's ID, and it was not stolen. However, older brother Ryan - who officials say is very cooperative - claims not to have even seen his brother since 2010. Where would Adam get this ID? And why does such use not qualify as a theft?

5) According to the official story, Adam Lanza was wearing a black outfit with a mask and bulletproof vest. Why would he want to hide his identity, and why would he wear a bulletproof vest, if he planned to kill himself?

6) The medical examiner asserts that all wounds were caused by a rifle or other long weapon, and police/FBI say that the school was littered with .223 (rifle) casings. But Adam Lanza was found dead in the school with only handguns - a rifle was found in the trunk of his car. But then he could not possibly have been firing the rifle, and could not have committed the murders. Who did?

7) According to the official story, the killing was tightly confined to two classrooms. But then why were so many children told to close their eyes while leaving the building?

8 ) Joanne Didonato, the principal's secretary, called in sick on Friday - something she rarely does. So presumably, she must have been awfully ill. Yet she then felt well enough to give an interview. "Of all days," she said, emphasizing the strange coincidence.

9) The hospital went into lockdown and cleared four trauma rooms, but received only three patients, two of them dead children (according to the official story) and one mildly wounded adult.

10) Why were there such persistent reports that Mrs. Lanza was a kindergarten teacher, and that she died at the school, when the new official story is that she was not connected to the school and was killed at home?

11) What happened to the report that Adam Lanza's girlfriend and another friend were missing in New Jersey?

12) What happened to the woodsman in a black jacket and camo pants who was arrested and handcuffed outside the school? He actually shouted to parents, "It wasn't me." Who was he and what was he doing there?

13) What happened to the dark van or SUV that the police surrounded in the parking lot, or the maroon sedan with a blown-out back window they were on the lookout for?

14) The official story is that Nancy Lanza was a gun collector who obeyed the law. But since 20-year-olds are not permitted to buy guns or ammo or carry guns in Connecticut, why would she give her "autistic" son access to both guns and ammo?

15) Why were parents told on Friday that "if you haven't been reunited with your child by now it's already over"? Does anyone imagine that real parents of real children would simply say, "Okay, the show's over, let's go home now"?
Black opp false flag

Erie, PA

#40 Feb 2, 2013
16) Would real parents of real children really be satisfied with (possibly photoshopped) pictures of their children? Wouldn't they demand to see their children one last time firsthand?

17) According to the official story, 28 people died but only 1 was wounded. The dead included 20 small, squirmy children - difficult targets even for professionals. How could Adam Lanza achieve such amazingly deadly accuracy, in such a short length of time?

18 ) A child asserts that he/she heard someone say, "Put your hands up," followed by the reply, "Don't shoot." This indicates that the police took a suspect into custody inside the school. But if that was Adam Lanza, how did he kill himself after that point?

19) Another child asserts that he/she saw a man pinned down to the ground with handcuffs on. Again, this indicates that the police took a suspect into custody. If that was Adam Lanza, how did he then kill himself?

20) When Ryan Lanza was falsely identified as the shooter, who deleted his Facebook profile and created many others in his name?

21) Is it reasonable for a geeky 20-year-old to carry two pistols and hundreds of rounds of ammunition while wearing a bulletproof vest and a mask?

22) Why did the police say on Friday that they were going to leave the bodies rotting in the school until Sunday, then Saturday morning announce that they had spirited the bodies away in the middle of the night? Perhaps to ensure that the transport, if any, would go unrecorded on photos or video?

23) Why won't police tell us where they found the Henry repeating rifle, the Enfield rifle, and the shotgun?

24) Did the school have one or more security cameras? What do they show?

25) Why did a police officer specifically mention, on radio, that "they're coming at me through this wood," followed by a fellow officer saying, "This is it"?

26) One officer in the school said, "We've got one suspect down." Who was that? Down in this situation generally means in custody(on the ground and cuffed), not dead.

27) Why didn't Adam's uncle see anything out of the ordinary in Adam when the two saw each other in June?

28 ) Why is Adam Lanza reported to be a loner when a teenager said (oxymoronically), "[Lanza and his friends] always gathered alone in a corner in school"?

29) Why did police assign an individual state trooper to every grieving family, whether the family wants such "protection" or not?

30) Why are Ryan Lanza and his roommates still in custody, and why are the police pretending that it's for their own benefit?

31) Is it a coincidence that Nancy Lanza's brother is Kingston Police Officer James Champion, who lives next door to the former Lanza home?

32) Since the alleged shooter's father is VP of GE Capital, and (like "Batman shooter" James Holmes's father) was scheduled to testify at the Senate Hearings on the LIBOR scandal, is there a LIBOR connection to this event?

This is a disturbing list, even if each point raised has a reasonable rebuttal. The authorities, after so many shootings with so many unanswered questions, are simply not doing an adequate job, in our view, to reassure citizens of their safety and law enforcement's general competence.

Over time, questions from multiple events become corrosive and tend to undermine civil trust. This would seem to be happening. Those in charge ought to be concerned.
Duckweed

Ames, IA

#41 Feb 2, 2013
Black opp false flag wrote:
<quoted text>
You are one gullible idiot.
And you're not?
30 unanswered questions.... Must be a government plot.
mind your own

Oil City, PA

#42 Feb 2, 2013
Dickweed wrote:
<quoted text>
It really makes a huge difference that a room full kids was shot with rifle while he had the handguns on him.
Did the 30 round clip contribute to the number of kids killed or not.
And yes
I think you are an asshole because in this whole mess what pisses you off most is a nun refered to the kids as cut in half when they were just shot with a smaller caliber bullet, out of a 30 round clip of hunting rifle.
So answer this question. Did the 30 round clip make killing 26 people easier?
When deer hunting, is there ever an oppurtunity to shoot at deer 30 times before reloading?
So I guess I thank ou for pointing out that the clip was the most responsible piece of equipment in this shooting.
Thnk you for your words of kindness in response to my horrid wishes upon you. They have been taken into account.
It makes a differance when people lie to try and gain something from a tradigy.
a 30 rnd clip or 3 10rnd clips, it takes me and most that practice less than one second to change mags what would be the differance? they were little kids, he could have killed the many with a machete. these were defenseless kids that were not protected and most didnt even try to leave the school. he had 2-4 pistols depending on who you believe and a rifle. If they all had 10rnd clips there would still be no reloads. we have armed guards at the courthouse to protect the lawyers and judges. are they more inportant than our kids

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